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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 26/01/2009 17:33:54 NM |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Every wormhole system will have a wormhole that leads you back to known space.
Noooooooooooooo.......
No 'search for eve space' - treck then? So it is always guaranteed that you can move from wormhole space directly into eve-space through one single wormhole?
Please consider that!!
It would be even more awesome if there would be an x% chance that there are only wormholes leading into wormhole space and not back to eve space! This way it would be really possible that you would end up with some space-nomanding in the (desperate) search for a way back. |
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi What about bookmarks? If I create one in a system will it still be there and usable if I get back. If that works you could use bookmarks to index the systems to check if you have been there before etc.
The bookmark system will work as it does now, although you won't get system name autocompleted for you so get ready to figure out a naming convention that lets you keep track of them. And yes, this would be one way to keep track of the systems you have visited.
Originally by: Rex Lashar How is local affected in these new systems under the new map and scanner changes? How is it affected everywhere else?
How local chat will work in wormhole systems and the degree to which we will roll any changes out to the rest of the EVE universe is still under discussion. Personally I want local to be in delayed mode in wormhole systems. |
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Erakyn
Big Orange Cog
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:33:00 -
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Love the changes and can't wait for them to be implemented.
But as an owner of both a Sister's Recon Probe Launcher, and a Sister's Scan Launcher....
Will these items be replaced with new faction equivalents?
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Rex Lashar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:33:00 -
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Yes one mothership might be equivalent to 30 regular ships going through. But manpower is the real resource here. When someone dies you can get them back. Without clone vats, if someone died your entire gang/corp is diminished far worse than the cost of 1 ship. For ships, you can just drop a small POS and build up a ton of replacements on only 1 week of fuel (which ms can easily hold). |
Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:33:00 -
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just don't make exploration too easy please... ;) |
Raymon James
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:34:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: CCP Whisper Every wormhole system will have a wormhole that leads you back to known space.
Noooooooooooooo.......
No 'search for eve space' - treck then? So it is always guaranteed that you can move from wormhole space directly into eve-space through one single wormhole?
Please consider that!!
It would be even more awesome if there would be an x% chance that there are only wormholes leading into wormhole space and not back to eve space! This way it would be really possible that you would end up with some space-nomanding in the (desperate) search for a way back.
they said leads you back
not leads you back right away. . . |
Rex Lashar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper How local chat will work in wormhole systems and the degree to which we will roll any changes out to the rest of the EVE universe is still under discussion. Personally I want local to be in delayed mode in wormhole systems.
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croxis
Gallente Firstones
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:35:00 -
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Will this, someday, allow player built stargates to be made? |
Serenity Star
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: CCP Whisper Every wormhole system will have a wormhole that leads you back to known space.
Noooooooooooooo.......
No 'search for eve space' - treck then? So it is always guaranteed that you can move from wormhole space directly into eve-space through one single wormhole?
Please consider that!!
It would be even more awesome if there would be an x% chance that there are only wormholes leading into wormhole space and not back to eve space! This way it would be really possible that you would end up with some space-nomanding in the (desperate) search for a way back.
The Dev's have said that there are also chances that a wormhole in a wormhole system could lead to another wormhole system. This means that there is a chance of more then 1 wormhole being in a system. To lazy to go an quote it but a dev was describing going from wormhole system to wormhole system. They have also stated that there is no way to know where a wormhole goes. So when in a wormhole system you do not know if the wormhole you are looking at goes to a standard system or a wh (yes, getting very lazy here) system. The same dev I talked about above was describing a situation where in looking for a way back to empire you go from wh system to wh system and lose your way back to the system you started in. This could be a very large problem if you have a POS in that system because there is no guaranteed way of getting back there,
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Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:36:00 -
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So... are wormholes going to be like FW beacons in he sense that once they are found everyone can see them? - MY LATEST VIDEO - FRIGANK 4 |
Ha'Uler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ordais hm, not sure about this.
so you can find the wormwhole with a scanning-ship, but because this ships cant do jack you have to change the ship and go in with another ship, probably BS-size if you want to accomplish anything (new NPC-AI mentioned and what a surprise it will be if you expect the old npcs we are used to). Then you are there but you cant probe back.
ALT-land anyone? i see alts will become mandatory if you want to explore. one combat ship, one scanning ship. ok for me, but it doesnt sound like good game-design.
Not alts, but corpmates and friends.
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Serenity Star
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ha'Uler
Originally by: Ordais hm, not sure about this.
so you can find the wormwhole with a scanning-ship, but because this ships cant do jack you have to change the ship and go in with another ship, probably BS-size if you want to accomplish anything (new NPC-AI mentioned and what a surprise it will be if you expect the old npcs we are used to). Then you are there but you cant probe back.
ALT-land anyone? i see alts will become mandatory if you want to explore. one combat ship, one scanning ship. ok for me, but it doesnt sound like good game-design.
Not alts, but corpmates and friends.
What he said.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie It would be even more awesome if there would be an x% chance that there are only wormholes leading into wormhole space and not back to eve space! This way it would be really possible that you would end up with some space-nomanding in the (desperate) search for a way back.
I'll let Greyscale answer this in more detail in his blog, but I think he's come up with a different solution in the interim that might make getting home bit more difficult from the wormholes with higher difficulty levels. So yes, it might turn into an epic trek back home.
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Betty Sw'ollocks
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:41:00 -
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Sounds absolutely awesome.
I want to give CCP all my 'stuff'. In a loving and consenting way.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Lashar Still didn't answer - How is local affected in these new systems under the new map and scanner changes? How is it affected everywhere else?
And it was mentioned getting into these systems by any means other than wormhole is a sploit. But yet you might get lucky and send a mothership through. So is it a sploit to use clone vat bays of rorqual and motherships?
PS: I'm pretty sure capitals shouldn't be allowed here, except *maybe* Orca.
If you are stupid enough to send a MS on a one way trip through a wormhole where it might get stuck forever please let us know if it work to JC to it. I doubt you will have much of a success though.
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Karab Gerlinger
Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:42:00 -
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Oh goodness, the excitement! I can barely contain it!
And this line owns: "In fact one of my biggest challenges will be stopping PrismX from adding ten thousand systems now that he's gotten a taste of being a deity in creative mood."
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Gnulpie It would be even more awesome if there would be an x% chance that there are only wormholes leading into wormhole space and not back to eve space! This way it would be really possible that you would end up with some space-nomanding in the (desperate) search for a way back.
I'll let Greyscale answer this in more detail in his blog, but I think he's come up with a different solution in the interim that might make getting home bit more difficult from the wormholes with higher difficulty levels. So yes, it might turn into an epic trek back home.
Wooooooot!!
love you all
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Rex Lashar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rex Lashar on 26/01/2009 17:44:41
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Rex Lashar Still didn't answer - How is local affected in these new systems under the new map and scanner changes? How is it affected everywhere else?
And it was mentioned getting into these systems by any means other than wormhole is a sploit. But yet you might get lucky and send a mothership through. So is it a sploit to use clone vat bays of rorqual and motherships?
PS: I'm pretty sure capitals shouldn't be allowed here, except *maybe* Orca.
If you are stupid enough to send a MS on a one way trip through a wormhole where it might get stuck forever please let us know if it work to JC to it. I doubt you will have much of a success though.
Why wouldn't a jump clone work if everyone set one up beforehand? When they activate it from empire, they just install another right after.
And its not really a stupid move if the MS can travel around via wormholes. A mothership makes for a more practical logistics platform than a POS or Orca. Besides, 15bil is peanuts compared to the riches you could get. Fighters would help with new NPCs too presumably.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ordais on 26/01/2009 17:45:55
Originally by: Ha'Uler
Originally by: Ordais hm, not sure about this.
so you can find the wormwhole with a scanning-ship, but because this ships cant do jack you have to change the ship and go in with another ship, probably BS-size if you want to accomplish anything (new NPC-AI mentioned and what a surprise it will be if you expect the old npcs we are used to). Then you are there but you cant probe back.
ALT-land anyone? i see alts will become mandatory if you want to explore. one combat ship, one scanning ship. ok for me, but it doesnt sound like good game-design.
Not alts, but corpmates and friends.
Not really. As mass determines how many can go in there, you may get just enough to go in and out a couple of times. Meaning its not meant for large groups no? And if, as you say, its meant for corps/friends, then i want to claim it for my corp/group of friends to live in there and defend it.
So, what shall it be?
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 26/01/2009 17:45:37 I got 2 simple questions that hopefully get answered by a dev =D
1st: Assuming I set up a POS in such an "unexplored" system, how big are the chances to ever find back to that system to provide the POS with fuel? You stated that Wormholes randomly spawn and bring you to random systems, how is this going to work?
2nd: What will prevent 0.0 from getting more empty then it already is? If these "unexplored" systems have better rats, better belts and no police, why should people still go to 0.0? I think people will rather roam through that space and pvp there instead of roaming through empty 0.0 space, espacialy in the first few weeks/month were these new systems will be crowded like hell.
Can someone give me a bit more insight on this?
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james126
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: james126 on 26/01/2009 17:46:27 you sayed it wont be possible/an explote to cyno in from known space to worm hole space, but will it be possible to cyno from worm hole space to worm hole space?
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:46:00 -
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Quote: # You can recall probes for re-use at a later point and time
What is the balance on this?
If probes arent destroyed... the probe market will kerplode.
Quote: There will be two new probe types, exploration and combat.
while the other 4 types are destroyed? Or are those items suddenly becoming like the Mines ingame. You have them... but you cant really do much with them.
Quote: Exploration probes will not be able to locate ships and drones but will have extremely low fitting requirements, making them ideal for people who wish to hunt down wormholes and other celestial anomalies. The combat probe launcher is able to detect ships and drones but has a higher fitting requirement, making this the tool of choice for those wishing to hunt down other pilots.
We already have this? Recon vs scan probe?
Quote: We are still in the process of balancing these probes and launchers and yes, we are looking into the options of how to deal with the existing probes, probe blueprints and launchers.
too which some of us have spent millions on...
Quote: Why should you fly through these wormholes then? Well in the solar systems on the other side of the wormholes you will find new exploration sites patrolled by a brand new type of NPC. The salvage and loot drops from these NPC's and the exploration site rewards will provide you with the raw materials you will need to reverse engineer the technology that makes construction of the new Tech 3 ship modules possible. There will also be exploration sites with ore-rich asteroid belts just waiting to be found by an adventurous industry corp.
Generally speaking it has been considered a highly negative thing with hidden roid belts now. Where Kernite spawns in high sec gallente space. Hurting the overall mix of things.
And now you have uber npcs that likely instapop hulks.. meaning u need a couple battleships in order to defend the hulk... and they are ORE-rich? What kind of ORE? I can get bistot in a 0.8 system now?
Quote: Wormholes will shift all the time. They will open and close and reopen at random locations throughout New Eden and thus present you with an ever-changing area of space that no-one can control all the choke-points to.
So basically speaking this is a 0.0 nerf. Yaaaay. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:47:00 -
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The sheer unknown-ness of what could happen when you go into wormhole space is what makes this so awesome.
TY CCP, can't wait! |
TalonClark
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 26/01/2009 17:45:37 I got 2 simple questions that hopefully get answered by a dev =D
1st: Assuming I set up a POS in such an "unexplored" system, how big are the chances to ever find back to that system to provide the POS with fuel? You stated that Wormholes randomly spawn and bring you to random systems, how is this going to work?
2nd: What will prevent 0.0 from getting more empty then it already is? If these "unexplored" systems have better rats, better belts and no police, why should people still go to 0.0? I think people will rather roam through that space and pvp there instead of roaming through empty 0.0 space, espacialy in the first few weeks/month were these new systems will be crowded like hell.
Can someone give me a bit more insight on this?
if you control 0.0, its more relaxed there then going through a wormwhole, as you never know who is in there and if you can come back (the exploit of jumping in and out of a system just to depleat the wormwhole will be used alot). |
Sprobe
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sprobe on 26/01/2009 17:49:19 can you get pod-killed by NPCs in wormhole space?
can you enter a wormhole with any kind of ship including your pod? |
Karab Gerlinger
Rim Collection RC Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: james126 Edited by: james126 on 26/01/2009 17:46:27 you sayed it wont be possible/an explote to cyno in from known space to worm hole space, but will it be possible to cyno from worm hole space to worm hole space?
Safe to assume cyno links wont reach vast distances of the wormhole link. |
permion
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 26/01/2009 17:45:37 I got 2 simple questions that hopefully get answered by a dev =D
1st: Assuming I set up a POS in such an "unexplored" system, how big are the chances to ever find back to that system to provide the POS with fuel? You stated that Wormholes randomly spawn and bring you to random systems, how is this going to work?
2nd: What will prevent 0.0 from getting more empty then it already is? If these "unexplored" systems have better rats, better belts and no police, why should people still go to 0.0? I think people will rather roam through that space and pvp there instead of roaming through empty 0.0 space, espacialy in the first few weeks/month were these new systems will be crowded like hell.
Can someone give me a bit more insight on this?
normal 0.0 is always there and it's much more reliable in the sense you can set up logistics and defenses.
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If there are no stargates that means there are no logs of who's in and out of the system, and that also means there are no laws about anoucing yourself to the stargate system.
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 26/01/2009 17:52:32 Local and Wormhole Space! Removing local from 0.0 has far reaching mechanical implications which are well beyond the scope of the project. Removing local just from wormhole space has been brought up but is not considered a part of the package we absolutely need to deliver. So it's not a top priority and thus hasn't been decided on. I'm somewhat afraid of people feeling it's too instanced if we do and 0.0 is not delayed. But like I said, outside of our scope. Were local to go away from 0.0 that will apply to wormhole space as well.
So can I clone into wormhole space? Nope. Design is you get in through: Wormholes. Who knows what happens in the future though. Technology catches up, new opportunities are created, etc.
Dedicated probe ships needed. Well, not strictly. The fitting on the core scanner isn't that restrictive so you can fit it on any other ship. But I definitely do not recommend probing out a wormhole and then switching to a BS with no probes, go through it and get lost in space. So, you need someone with probes there but it doesn't have to be his only role.
Bookmarks! Man, I have* a hate/hate relationship with bookmarks. It's so intense that the 'have*' over there was another 'hate' before I proof read this. But my old score with them aside. They will work in their relevant systems although you never know what systems that is, it's position towards the one you are currently in, the way there or if the great Space Hydra has eaten it. But you can use them to see if you have been there before, yes. I cry inside thinking of the umpteenthousand new little bookmark records in the DB.
Edit: Also, there is no Space Hydra. /tinfoil right now! |
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:52:00 -
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need moar pictures , and let the blogging begin |
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