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Matrix Operator
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:52:00 -
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We know your out there watching us......
Why don't you let us see your presence from time to time and participate in the discussions? Eve's marketeers would like to hear from Eve's chief economist every now and again.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:57:00 -
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He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add. He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again. |
YuuKnow
206
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:20:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add. He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again.
Wow. That was a whole lot of disgruntleness... way to set the tone Scrooge McScroogeton.
Guess this is why Dr. E doesn't post. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:31:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:He doesn't play EVE so he is rather clueless about everything that goes on so he has nothing useful to add. He can't even do his normal job anywhere near on time so if he gets distracted by the forums he'll never publish a qen ever again. Wow. That was a whole lot of disgruntleness... way to set the tone Scrooge McScroogeton. Guess this is why Dr. E doesn't post.
He's right though. He really does know even less about Eve and its markets and economy than the average poster in MD. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:46:00 -
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because if he wants incredibly stupid theories about how the market works based on complete misunderstandings of everything he's got all the other ccp employees right there, he doesn't need to stop by here too for more |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:09:00 -
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Plenty of people in MD to talk serious markets and economy. They have been a bit silent lately, maybe because people like the good doctor, or any other dev, seem to not give a serpentis rats arse about markets and economy..
I am as disgruntled as the above posters, but I would be fast to change my opinion if I was proven wrong..
Well this lack of interest in seriosu business trails all the way back to TTi and the days pre highway nerf, and the sudden limitation to market orders. Regardless of the reasoning, I find that if ccp will fix lag and server issues for everyone else, I dont see why they cant do the same for economy in the game.
Personally the shooty bang bang is not that impressive, compared to other games, its the p2p production, and markets that sets EVE appart from the other kids on the block. Getting praise in RL business news and having an economist hired specifically to work with ingame finance, that wont engage with the player base is just a bit sad..
Here is for hoping he will drop by and give voice and share ideas with this little corner of the game..
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:11:00 -
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Caleb Ayrania wrote:I am as disgruntled as the above posters, but I would be fast to change my opinion if I was proven wrong..
I've never seen anything come from him to prove that he knows what he's doing.
Case in point: Dyspro/prom nerfs leading to the rise of Technetium. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:19:00 -
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We know from the economic presentation video's he does read this.
However I think he prefers to take the role of detached academic observer . |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:32:00 -
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Personally i think he's one of us.
Just my two cents ;-) |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
680
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:52:00 -
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Our supply of BS likely out paces his demand to participate in it. |
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Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:24:00 -
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Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:27:00 -
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Liberty Eternal wrote:Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia.
shut up libertarian you're even worse than the eve economist is |
Callduron
128
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:36:00 -
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I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.
I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:53:00 -
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Callduron wrote:I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.
I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced. see why on earth wouldn't the economist want this sort of brilliant insight |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:18:00 -
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Callduron wrote:I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.
I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced.
look how dumb you are |
Claire Voyant
113
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:10:00 -
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Liberty Eternal wrote:Because he only has one idea - pump more money into the system. It's called Keynesianism. You and me can't understand it, we haven't spent long enough in academia. Dr. E has many faults, but this is not one of them. He has been extremely consistent of the years pushing his two big ideas: 1) increasing isk sinks and reducing isk faucets, and 2) blowing stuff up. The problem is that he has been too hands-off on the rest of the economy because he wants to be laissez faire and doesn't realize that it is everything else that CCP does that screws things up. He should be more proactive and creative and work with the other devs and find ways to make the economy more dynamic and player driven instead of just letting them play god by replacing one bottleneck with another.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
173
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:28:00 -
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I blame the good Doctor for the fact that I have stopped being a serious part of conversations in this forum and now spend most of my time leaving "amusing" comments and/or outright trolling.
Seriously, F that guy! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
621
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:34:00 -
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Dr. Eyijo is not a developer nor a game designer. He's not super-duper top brass in the company, therefore his advices have just that much priority.
He has the most complex economy of any game to handle and this despite the various CCP developers screwing up with such economy all the time. Examples: bugs like the moon goo exploit patched after years, the reprocessable POS fiasco, introduction of drone poo, crappy incursions implementation, aggressive PLEX politics.
EvE is still standing on its feet despite all of this, which could have easily crushed any other MMO economy (usually every MMO economy crumbles after the first expansion).
As for the QEN etc, it was nice to see but in the end the various "CPI" and other "indicators" are as useful as they are in RL: they are made to "tip" and drive retail traders and smaller facilities without money to pay intern fundamental analysts into whatever. Plus certain data were less than cool to share, i.e. how the same ships were consistently and totally predominant for years (lack of rebalance) and it'd be embarassing enough to share the actual inflaction drive we see every day. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:44:00 -
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Matrix Operator wrote:We know your out there watching us... ... Why don't you let us see your presence from time to time and participate in the discussions? A lot of the other devs do. Eve's marketeers would like to hear from Eve's chief economist every now and again. You've seen Iceland's economy right? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT Interstellar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:32:00 -
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Dr. EVE is currently busy with training the market xperts for the upcoming Dust514. Also his last whereabouts is Shanghai.
Besides that, he has no reason to dwell or chat in the forums. He's the so called "Gray Cradinal", the power behind the throne on EVE economics and market, so there's punch of lackeys to do the public communication on his behalf |
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Callduron
128
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:15:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Callduron wrote:I enjoyed the QEN and I'd love to see more writing from Doctor E, either here or a return to QEN publishing.
I don't think he's often been factually wrong. Case in point the technetium issue cited above is largely a manufactured shortage caused by tech moon operators running a cartel rather than an actual shortage of the stuff in the game. So I wouldn't blame the economist for something clever players have caused to become highly over-priced. look how dumb you are
Oh sorry. Were you hoping it would still stay a secret while you sell off as much tech as possible before they implement tech rarely dropping during regular mining? |
Yalluto
Ascenda Group
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:41:00 -
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My personal opinion is that the QEN were/are pointless other than a item to be printed off and bound for future ganders. Anybody can look at a host of third party, market dump aggregation sites and known what minerals were doing. Posting ship counts should've remained in the realm of proprietary, requiring a little common sense and networking to get a big picture view of the habits of the herd.
Personally, I look over enough information and am enough of a small time dealer that mass market information goes in one ear and out the other. I simply don't have the cash of some of the other players to take meaningful advantage of long term disparities in the market. My interest is in striking quickly at exceedingly short opportunities so that I can "play" the game too instead of concerning myself with all manner of tools and whatnot to play a game outside of EVE. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:32:00 -
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Callduron wrote: Oh sorry. Were you hoping it would still stay a secret while you sell off as much tech as possible before they implement tech rarely dropping during regular mining?
did you just accuse us of both
1)running a cartel 2)dumping as much tech as possible
at the exact same time? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:49:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Callduron wrote: Oh sorry. Were you hoping it would still stay a secret while you sell off as much tech as possible before they implement tech rarely dropping during regular mining?
did you just accuse us of both 1)running a cartel 2)dumping as much tech as possible at the exact same time?
in case this post wasn't dismissive enough, those two options are mutually exclusive and he's calling you a moron for accusing us of doing both
just thought I'd spell that out since you seem pretty dumb |
Callduron
128
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:30:00 -
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Ha ha, I've certainly touched a nerve. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:37:00 -
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nah you're absolutely right that we're in a position to cartel it and even that we are
but saying that we're somehow holding supply back and simultaneously dumping it as fast as we can makes you a broken clock |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:53:00 -
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corestwo wrote:nah you're absolutely right that we're in a position to cartel it and even that we are
but saying that we're somehow holding supply back and simultaneously dumping it as fast as we can makes you a broken clock
This being case in point, but it could be worded differently.
Also there is a huge difference between an actual cartel, and the market reaching an agreement due to oligopolistics situations.
No one body in null can control the flow of raw materials. Also you might want to look to the marketeering crowd, and their tendency to corner markets. I could be wrong but most players and entities in null dont care much once they go and off load stuff.
The point of the post however was the good doctor, and I find it strange that he is not looking deeper into the features already in the game, that seem to not be activated. Things like limitation to facility slots via standing and price differences in facilities. The game is left FLAT, and the economy is suffering from being in some sort of "arcade mode"...
Please change setting to HELL. The players can tank it, I am sure of it..
Well guess on that note its time to beta Diablo III
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:19:00 -
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there is no tech cartel in the sense the idiot thinks there is, an artificial restriction of supply through agreement with other parties
instead, what there is is information-sharing on how to not crater tech prices by accident, as well as my personal use of goonswarm market power to move prices to equilibrium faster than might happen otherwise
the general idea the moron has - that tech is not the bottleneck of t2 production, and is just made to be through a cartel - is trivially disprovable (and, you gotta ask, why has it managed to persist through virtually every tech moon in the game changing hands over the past year) |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:23:00 -
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but really even just organizing a cartel among our allies would be absolutely impossible, it'd be a nightmare to get everyone on board and prevent cheating and develop trust expecially while most members of the cartel are trying to kill someone else in it
that's why controlling as much tech as we do owns, i control something like 1/6th of the entire supply so i don't need to deal with dozens of people to cause spikes |
Callduron
128
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:15:00 -
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My word you're panicking, aren't you?
Look, tech stocks can't be empty as you keep insisting. Otherwise the price would be constantly inflating, not spiking and going back down. But you know that :) |
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