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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:47:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: The irony is strong here; you want me to grow up when you don't contribute much either than with poor generalizing with a insult thrown in here and there for good measure. Do your doctor a favor and jump off a bridge, but ask someone to film it so they can put it on youtube. I'll make sure to hit 'like'.
So you are encouraging suicide? We know how well that worked out for the last person.
I encourage people to do whatever they want with their life, they earned that right at birth. That includes suicide. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:50:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: The irony is strong here; you want me to grow up when you don't contribute much either than with poor generalizing with a insult thrown in here and there for good measure. Do your doctor a favor and jump off a bridge, but ask someone to film it so they can put it on youtube. I'll make sure to hit 'like'.
So you are encouraging suicide? We know how well that worked out for the last person. I encourage people to do whatever they want with their life, they earned that right at birth. That includes suicide.
Keep digging that hole. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:53:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: The irony is strong here; you want me to grow up when you don't contribute much either than with poor generalizing with a insult thrown in here and there for good measure. Do your doctor a favor and jump off a bridge, but ask someone to film it so they can put it on youtube. I'll make sure to hit 'like'.
So you are encouraging suicide? We know how well that worked out for the last person. I encourage people to do whatever they want with their life, they earned that right at birth. That includes suicide. Keep digging that hole.
Are you going to jump into it, dear? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:55:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Are you going to jump into it, dear?
You're boring. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:56:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: Are you going to jump into it, dear?
You're boring.
That's what she said. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 11:58:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:That's what she said.
Have any more trite nuggets or is this about the best you can do? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:00:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:That's what she said. Have any more trite nuggets or is this about the best you can do?
No. But I can give you a big hug, you sound like you need at least one.
And I can go by a toy store on the way and pick out the biggest teddy bear for you so you can cry in its embrace. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:02:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:That's what she said. Have any more trite nuggets or is this about the best you can do? No. But I can give you a big hug, you sound like you need at least one. And I can go by a toy store on the way and pick out the biggest teddy bear for you so you can cry in its embrace.
No thanks, I don't get near skanks. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:05:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:That's what she said. Have any more trite nuggets or is this about the best you can do? No. But I can give you a big hug, you sound like you need at least one. And I can go by a toy store on the way and pick out the biggest teddy bear for you so you can cry in its embrace. No thanks, I don't get near skanks.
So you prefer the intimate company of men? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:07:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: So you prefer the intimate company of men?
Go look it up |
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Alpheias
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:09:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: So you prefer the intimate company of men?
Go look it up
Intimate company of men? I completely respect your preference mate, but I hope you can respect my preference in women. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
697
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:11:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Intimate company of men? I completely respect your preference mate, but I hope you can respect my preference in women.
So you're clueless and lazy, thanks for the proof. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:13:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: Intimate company of men? I completely respect your preference mate, but I hope you can respect my preference in women.
So you're clueless and lazy, thanks for the proof.
And you are crying, as always. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:15:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: Intimate company of men? I completely respect your preference mate, but I hope you can respect my preference in women.
So you're clueless and lazy, thanks for the proof. And you are crying, as always.
You're the one with the need to ***** and moan about me pointing out the contradiction in the op. Deal with it. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:21:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: Intimate company of men? I completely respect your preference mate, but I hope you can respect my preference in women.
So you're clueless and lazy, thanks for the proof. And you are crying, as always. You're the one with the need to ***** and moan about me pointing out the contradiction in the op. Deal with it.
Nah. I am just here to troll you, brah. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
697
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:23:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Nah. I am just here to troll you, brah.
No ****. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:44:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Malcanis wrote:Christ almighty, 10 pages of posts and all because people are mad about losing a damb pixel spaceship to another player in a game about blowing up pixel spaceships.
The funny thing here is the, I assume gankers, are whining about being called names.
Must be because they're teenage childabused shut-in basement dweller scoipaths mad because their dealer won't answer his pager. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.22 14:45:00 -
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Are the sociopaths still denying they exist? Ho hum... I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:50:00 -
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Being an ******* != Sociopath/Psycopath |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:26:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: So you prefer the intimate company of men?
Go look it up
Wonder how long itll take for this thread to get locked given its entirely OT now that you guys are having your little pissing match
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:54:00 -
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Back to the topic, trying to explain away sociopathic behavior as somehow not being real because it is done through a digital medium is really no different than saying that making death threats to people over the phone in a funny voice and a made up name is also not harassment or antisocial behavior.
If you act like an ahole in Eve, it probably means you're too cowardly to act like an ahole in real life. Eve is a safe place where you can be an ahole anonymously and avoid the social consequences of being a jerk. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
348
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:51:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Back to the topic, trying to explain away sociopathic behavior as somehow not being real because it is done through a digital medium is really no different than saying that making death threats to people over the phone in a funny voice and a made up name is also not harassment or antisocial behavior.
If you act like an ahole in Eve, it probably means you're too cowardly to act like an ahole in real life. Eve is a safe place where you can be an ahole anonymously and avoid the social consequences of being a jerk. But do you also admit that Eve is a place where nice people can act like complete psychopaths and *not* be jerks IRL?
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:00:00 -
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If this is true and they were just a scam:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99455&find=unread
woult this be an example of that behavior or is this more metagame?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:12:00 -
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I would consider the entire EVE is Easy situation to be outside of the game. It was a business opportunity involving real money that involved EVE Online as a component. So whoever is at fault in that situation (I don't care enough to figure it out) would be an actual jerk. ;)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:35:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:But do you also admit that Eve is a place where nice people can act like complete psychopaths and *not* be jerks IRL? I think you could play the role of a ruthless pirate, as in kill everything on sight, and not be a jerk or ill, for that matter, in real life.
But if you enjoy other people's misery or if your intent is to "collect tears" because it makes you feel better, even if using a game as a tool to realize this, I have no doubts whatsoever that you are an ill individual in real life. To me it is all about intent.
You can deny it all you want. If you enjoy "tears" or making others' gaming experience miserable this is no longer an in-game personality that you can attribute to your "character". Your enjoyment is yours, as in the real you. In other words, if ruining a real person's day because it gives the real you real pleasure, even if it is through a game, then you are psychologically ill.
But Serene Repose said it best some few pages back, this will not make sense to a sociopath. Attempting to explain a sociopath why it is he's a sociopath is like attempting to tell a rock it's a rock. That part of the brain simply will not register.
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Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:38:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Alpheias wrote: So you prefer the intimate company of men?
Go look it up Wonder how long itll take for this thread to get locked given its entirely OT now that you guys are having your little pissing match
BUT, Repressed sexuality or homosexulaity may be a key part of sociopathy. Repressed might be key in that statement. I have gay friends and they are not sociopaths but I know some sociopaths that are still kinda in the closet.
Star Wars now allows you to be gay. It would be interesting to look at behaviors based on homosexuality and sexuality.
I have a couple female toons. When I picked them, I imagined they would be more spylike. They are kinda sneaky but in a social sort of way. They both are cloaky, both help newcomers, one does ewar and the other science. I do not like them as much as this toon but they are part of me. They have allowed me to explore sides of me that aren't "manly" :) They don't have the meanstreak/amorrality of the spy though cause that just isn't me.
I wonder what the sociopaths and psychopaths other characters are like??? |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
139
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:43:00 -
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Jumfat Kohlah wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: This cannot be described as anything other than real psychopathic behaviour. These two individuals targeted another player with the express goal of convincing that person to spend hard-earned money, money that person likely would not have spent on GTCs otherwise
so that they could profit from his real-world loss.
Not too mention that they revelled in their target's losses afterwards, especially the fact that they convinced the player to spend real money on their eventual scam
That is reprehensible behaviour. It is psychopathic behaviour. Nothing virtual about it.
Good read btw - but just like to pick up on on point ....^^ that one.... the scammers profited from the deal in-game so they did not affect his real life - if what you wrote in your post is what you believe in. Did they then change the modules gained into rl money and run off cackling with delight into the night? Because reasoning states that this is the only way they could profit from the loss in real life Of course they had to affect the person in-game to effect the purchase - and the pressure felt by the recipient was "real" enough to do something about it ...which in this case was spend rl money to produce the required result. His choice.. Sorry - your premise is flawed Whether virtual or real - the psychological factors that drive people to do what they want to do are inherent in the person. This is what they would do and possibly do do in real life. The difference is sociological guidelines as laid down by our parents/communities and legal consequences stop them doing it. My example is Chribba - how has he managed to gain the respect and trust of the community if he wasn't like that in RL Consider that there are also people in other parts of the world that consider that there is nothing wrong with scamming and causing distress. They are "wired" that way and have not the same moral compass as we do Doesn't matter whether it is virtual or not - they would still do it. And anonymity is a bonus because they will not have consequences You are what you are, whether anonymous or not.
Actually, presuming this is all relatively true and some players convinced some poor guy to spend a lot of real cash on PLEX then maneuvered him into a position where they could steal, blow-up, or otherwise cost him this investment in game, your premise is flawed.
Time is one thing, and it does count for something, but intentionally maneuvering an individual into a position where you can cost them assets in real life, whether you profit from it in real life or not, is something else.
Frankly, I can't see a whole lot of people falling for it, but lets assume that these guys told him to spend $400 on PLEX and to transfer it directly to ISK in game, then invest in a POS and some Cap ships so they could set up shop in some Nullsec system and rent off an Alliance.
Following that, and after he had done such and entrusted them with the security of these assets and the corp as well as paying rent to this Null allaince, they voted him out of corp, after podkilling him and sending him back to empire then blockading the system to prevent his re-entry, and took all the stuff for themselves and continued with progress minus this chap who payed for it.
This doesn't make them sociopaths or psychopaths, but what does it really say about them? The minute they intended to convince him to spend real life money on in-game assets so they could steal them off him they crossed the line as far as I'm concerned.
If they hadn't done that and he had spent that money and they had followed through and done the same thing with the same results it would be entirely different. There is motive and there is intent, and they did intentionally get him to spend real life money-in this scenario-with the motive to steal the in-game assets resulting from that expense.
Where do you draw the line?
tl;dr: At any rate, it is a flawed premise primarily for the fact that you stated "...scammers profited from the deal in-game so they did not affect his real life," when in fact they did and that was their intent right from the start. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
232
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:45:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:But do you also admit that Eve is a place where nice people can act like complete psychopaths and *not* be jerks IRL? I think you could play the role of a ruthless pirate, as in kill everything on sight, and not be a jerk or ill, for that matter, in real life. But if you enjoy other people's misery or if your intent is to "collect tears" because it makes you feel better, even if using a game as a tool to realize this, I have no doubts whatsoever that you are an ill individual in real life. To me it is all about intent. You can deny it all you want. If you enjoy "tears" or making others' gaming experience miserable this is no longer an in-game personality that you can attribute to your "character". Your enjoyment is yours, as in the real you. In other words, if ruining a real person's day because it gives the real you real pleasure, even if it is through a game, then you are psychologically ill. But Serene Repose said it best some few pages back, this will not make sense to a sociopath. Attempting to explain a sociopath why it is he's a sociopath is like attempting to tell a rock it's a rock. That part of the brain simply will not register.
It's the same go around as someone saying "I'm not crazy" makes them look more crazy. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
348
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Posted - 2012.04.22 20:34:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:But do you also admit that Eve is a place where nice people can act like complete psychopaths and *not* be jerks IRL? I think you could play the role of a ruthless pirate, as in kill everything on sight, and not be a jerk or ill, for that matter, in real life. But if you enjoy other people's misery or if your intent is to "collect tears" because it makes you feel better, even if using a game as a tool to realize this, I have no doubts whatsoever that you are an ill individual in real life. To me it is all about intent. You can deny it all you want. If you enjoy "tears" or making others' gaming experience miserable this is no longer an in-game personality that you can attribute to your "character". Your enjoyment is yours, as in the real you. In other words, if ruining a real person's day because it gives the real you real pleasure, even if it is through a game, then you are psychologically ill. But Serene Repose said it best some few pages back, this will not make sense to a sociopath. Attempting to explain a sociopath why it is he's a sociopath is like attempting to tell a rock it's a rock. That part of the brain simply will not register. You missed *my* point completely. (Well, mostly).
I'm not defending (nor at any point did I) those who get a kick out of others suffering, but there seems to be some conflation with "being a jerk in game (ass, sociopath, griefer, scumbag or whatever word you want to use) and that same person being a so called "evil guy" in real life. And Vice versa...
Example: I know an in game person who volunteers for charity IRL.
In game he is a pirate that some people have even heard of. However, IRL, this pirate actually has the time (and inclination) to go to disaster sites all over the world with a charity, and assist after disasters. In game, you don't want to meet him, out of game he's quite nice. (I'm not naming him, because he hasn't made it a practice of identifying himself in-game and out-of-game that way).
Will you (or anyone?) admit that while there may be "IRL" psycho/socio/head cases who enjoy others suffering, purely for the suffering, and derive personal pleasure from it (irl from in-game actions), there are also people who (for want of a better word) role-play griefers, scumbags, spies and all around general ass-hats in-game, but can also be nice guys (and gals) you wouldn't mind sitting down to a beer and a chat with?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
283
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:27:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:You missed *my* point completely. (Well, mostly).
I'm not defending (nor at any point did I) those who get a kick out of others suffering, but there seems to be some conflation with "being a jerk in game (ass, sociopath, griefer, scumbag or whatever word you want to use) and that same person being a so called "evil guy" in real life. And Vice versa...
Example: I know an in game person who volunteers for charity IRL.
In game he is a pirate that some people have even heard of. However, IRL, this pirate actually has the time (and inclination) to go to disaster sites all over the world with a charity, and assist after disasters. In game, you don't want to meet him, out of game he's quite nice. (I'm not naming him, because he hasn't made it a practice of identifying himself in-game and out-of-game that way).
Will you (or anyone?) admit that while there may be "IRL" psycho/socio/head cases who enjoy others suffering, purely for the suffering, and derive personal pleasure from it (irl from in-game actions), there are also people who (for want of a better word) role-play griefers, scumbags, spies and all around general ass-hats in-game, but can also be nice guys (and gals) you wouldn't mind sitting down to a beer and a chat with? See, that's the thing. I don't think you could play a "griefer" or a jerk. If you're "playing" it is because you are. I don't buy for a minute that your character is a grief player and that you yourself don't enjoy his grief play. You could tell me that you are a pastor who saves women and children from the streets and would never do this "in real life" while enjoying being a grief player 'in-game'. There's no such thing as being a weekend or part-time jerk/sociopath. And again, using a game as a tool to inflict real life pain is not an excuse.
By the way, I've noticed that just as in the case of your friend, many of the people who enjoy grief play tend to claim they are saints in real life who help elderly cross the streets, turn in lost wallets, and feed the needy. I'm not saying everyone is lying, but I find it interesting that 'in-game' sociopaths tend to claim they are the opposite of what they play. Case in point, The Mittani's owner. Actions have proven otherwise.
I'll just add that PVP play is not grief play or being a jerk. The problem, as I see it, is that PVP play, because of the way it's been set up, attracts many ill-intent types and then disguise their actions under the "it's just a game" rhetoric.
So to answer your question more clearly:
You cannot play a grief-player or a jerk. You either are or you aren't. Why? Because if your intentions are to make real people angry and miserable, then it is no longer just a pretent for you. You're actually looking to provoke real emotions from the person behind the avatar and not the avatar himself. The same goes for asshats.
Being a spy does not necessarily make you a grief player, sociopath, or whatever (as long as you keep the context completely within the game).
I'll also add that even though I have concerns for other legitimate PVP activities such as gate camping, suicide ganking, etc, not all players that engage in these are sociopaths. BUT, it is a great way for these types to get their kicks and giggles and I would expect many to be involved in these activities. |
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