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Eugen Ladder
Amarr Howling Griffins The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.29 07:59:00 -
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We want to come forward and clear up a misunderstanding there seems to be regarding our official position. We denounce the ideology that happens to be dominant in Providence region.
Expectations that you must serve your landlord whatever it takes without getting nothing special in exchange is to be considered as a form of slavery and to be condemned as such. We do not want to be a part of that bizarre system and we are not taking orders from anyone regarding who should be our friends or enemies. It is our own decision and we enforce NBSI in Providence area too.
Eugen Ladder - Head Diplomat of The Polaris Syndicate |
Algey
Caldari The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 08:17:00 -
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It is nice to see that things do not always go the way CVA would like :) |
Kebabski
Minmatar coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:12:00 -
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So this means you guys won't be agressing me under sentries again near misaba in drake fleets? Good luck, now you'll find out why i like providence so much
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Eugen Ladder
Amarr Howling Griffins The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kebabski So this means you guys won't be agressing me under sentries again near misaba in drake fleets? Keb
Its not us who flys drakes :) |
Prontifex
Minmatar THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:16:00 -
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Are you roleplaying right now? |
O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:51:00 -
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A wise decision indeed, to free yourself from the shackles of CVA blue list enforcement. Perhaps our goals may align in this region after all.
[though this might have been better in the IGS, it'll just get trolled to hell and back in here]
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Kuolematon
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:27:00 -
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Polaris Syndicate is full of finnish rejects, c/d?
True finnish people are True Amarr CVA people like Vaari! |
Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 12:30:00 -
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Good to see the Butterdog/O Thief and Ushra'khan crew jumping on the anti-CVA bandwagon - demonstrating once again their enduring bitterness at successful Amarrian stewardship of Holy Amarrian Providence.
With regard to this statement all I will say is that it was CVA who set Polaris Syndicate red after repeated misdeeds in holy Amarrian Providence.
Unlike other 0.0 alliances we do not ask anyone to pay us rent - nor do we even insist that they assist us in combating hostiles.
People who want to play a more active role in defending Providence are more than welcome to do this (it is after all in their own interest to keep the space they are operating in secure + it gives them some pew pew fun) but otherwise they can mind their own business and simply get on with trading/ratting/mining in peace, as many do.
There are no expectations that anyone serves us and if Polaris seem to be under the misguided impression that there was then I can only blame communication issues - or a deliberate attempt in their post to smear CVA. In view of the use of the word 'landlord' - when no rent was ever charged - I can only assume the latter.
Polaris Syndicate was one of MANY neutral/friendly individuals/corporations and alliances that do work with CVA and our allies to secure Amarrian Providence but unlike the majority Polaris seemed to believe that this entitled them to special dispensations.
Polaris Syndicate have now chosen a piratical path. Other than saddness that they have strayed off the true Amarrian path we have no issues with that.
Polaris Syndicate have - as stated at the beginning of this post - been set red. That means that like many other piratical criminals they will be considered targets if they venture into low-sec Amarrian space and Providence.
During their stay in Providence we came to respect the combat capabilities of many Polaris pilots and we are obviously saddened that their leadership has chosen this course. However we will, as we have always done, live with the consequences.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 14:04:00 -
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Wrath of God shall fall upon you, Eugen Ladder. Shame on you.
Amarr victor |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.01.29 14:39:00 -
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Is anyone else slightly disappointed that the CVA response didn't include the obligatory: "You shall find god at the end of my lasers!" line; or is it just me?
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: O Thief on 29/01/2009 15:07:40
Originally by: Hardin
There are no expectations that anyone serves us and if Polaris seem to be under the misguided impression that there was then I can only blame communication issues - or a deliberate attempt in their post to smear CVA. In view of the use of the word 'landlord' - when no rent was ever charged - I can only assume the latter.
'Does not follow CVA red list' does not equal pirate, as well you know. You deprived them of the ability to set their own standings as an independent entity, which under your umbrella of course they never were.
You talk of not charging 'rent', well... how about payment in kind? Following your orders and your standings leads to the loss of countless of their ships in 'defence' of providence. The price they pay is more than ISK - it is time, and blood.
Providence residents will eventually realise, that the CVA slavers are not open to a relationship where they are not the master.
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shinma Apollo Is anyone else slightly disappointed that the CVA response didn't include the obligatory: "You shall find god at the end of my lasers!" line; or is it just me?
This is CAOD not IGS :)
Interesting spin on things Polaris. A shame you couldn't leave with your heads held high to follow a new path like most do but that in the end shows us what we need to know about your character traits.
Butters take a step back from your PC and stop trolling CVA in every post that has anything to do with us its getting a little worrying tbh.
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Cribb
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Good to see the Butterdog/O Thief and Ushra'khan crew jumping on the anti-CVA bandwagon - demonstrating once again their enduring bitterness at successful Amarrian stewardship of Holy Amarrian Providence.
Now Hardin how can we jump on a bandwagon that we started nearly 5 years ago.
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Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar Union Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:45:00 -
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Hardin your still a girlyboy
9uY will fall again one day.
With love. God is my Co-pilot |
O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Solusar
Butters take a step back from your PC and stop trolling CVA in every post that has anything to do with us its getting a little worrying tbh.
The only troll in this thread is the one I'm quoting.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief
'Does not follow CVA red list' does not equal pirate, as well you know.
Of course it does. Anyone on our red list is on there for shooting either CVA (and allies) or neutrals in holy Amarrian Providence or low-sec Amarrian space.
That makes them 'pirates' in our book. Basically anyone on our red list = pirate and that includes BoB, -A-, Goons, Morsus Mihi or any other NBSI alliance which has at one time other visited those areas we protect and didn't respect our NRDS.
Now its highly likely that the vast majority of BoB members do not consider themselves pirates in the 'Yarrrr, shiver my timbers' mould, but tbh that doesn't matter. If they are on our red list its because they will kill neutrals in our, or Amarrian space, and that makes them pirates in our book! The same now applies to Polaris.
Originally by: O Thief You deprived them of the ability to set their own standings as an independent entity, which under your umbrella of course they never were.
Come on Butters the spin is frightfully poor.
1) We never deprived them of their ability to set their own standings. THEY CHOSE to come to Amarrian Providence therefore THEY CHOSE to live by our NRDS philosophy. We did not force them to shoot our reds but like the majority of people who move to Providence they WILLINGLY adopted our reds because it gave them the opportunity for some pew pew fun. The other major factor here is that the majority of our reds would probably have shot at them! Ushra'Khan is hardly a shining light on that score with your recent victimisation of SSI in Catch!
2) There are many neutral individuals, corporations and alliances that do take advantage of Amarrian Providence's delights without ever joining a defence gang or adopting CVA's standings and we have no problem with that at all as long as they don't start pirating CVA, our allies or other neutrals. Indeed many groups in Providence have mutual blue ratings with organisations that are on CVA's KOS list. Again we don't care provided they don't start actively helping our enemies.
Originally by: O Thief You talk of not charging 'rent', well... how about payment in kind? Following your orders and your standings leads to the loss of countless of their ships in 'defence' of providence. The price they pay is more than ISK - it is time, and blood.
As stated above NO ONE is forced to join defence gangs and many don't. The majority of people who do join defence gangs do so for a variety of reasons such as
1) Making the space they live in that bit more secure 2) To have some fun and shoot things (which after all is why the majority of us play this game)
There are THOUSANDS of people who live in the Deliverance area - hell our hostile reporting channels often have +1,000 people in them - do they all join defence gangs - of course not.
Some do and we are of course grateful and thank them for their efforts - but no one is forced to. That is the beauty of the system and that is why it continues to be successful (after 5 years) because it is based on willing partners willingly working together - and is not based on cooercion.
That is why when an organisation like Polaris decides to go a different route I may be sad that they feel it wasn't working for them and their playstyle, but its not the end of the world.
For every Polaris that decides to turn its back upon NRDS and Providence there are numerous other organisations coming round to our way of thinking!
Originally by: O Thief Providence residents will eventually realise, that the CVA slavers are not open to a relationship where they are not the master.
Ah Butterdog, the old 'divide and conquer' philosophy. Its just a pity that you still haven't worked out that the relationship between CVA and our allies in Providence is based on partnership and mutual benefit rather than that of Master and Slave.
(Of course there is nothing wrong with slavery )
ps. The holy light of our Amarrian lasers will soon cleanse you! |
Tsak one
Gallente Corellian Business Tycoons Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:22:00 -
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i once buggered a dog, but its ok as i was roleplaying a weird guy............ |
Eugen Ladder
Amarr Howling Griffins The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Solusar
Interesting spin on things Polaris. A shame you couldn't leave with your heads held high to follow a new path like most do but that in the end shows us what we need to know about your character traits
Since you brought it up...
We thought about our possibilities and decided to fight to get what we want. If thats not holding your head up high I don't know what is. Some leave Providence with tail tucked and sniveling about being unfairly treated. That is not the Polaris Syndicate way to do things. That is all we have to say about this matter. |
Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eugen Ladder
Originally by: Solusar
Interesting spin on things Polaris. A shame you couldn't leave with your heads held high to follow a new path like most do but that in the end shows us what we need to know about your character traits
Since you brought it up...
We thought about our possibilities and decided to fight to get what we want. If thats not holding your head up high I don't know what is. Some leave Providence with tail tucked and sniveling about being unfairly treated. That is not the Polaris Syndicate way to do things. That is all we have to say about this matter.
That is actually a fair viewpoint however I think what annoyed some CVA was the fact that 'some' and I stress 'some' of you took advantage of your neutral status at the end to score some cheap kills.
If you had announced you were leaving and going NBSI before we had already set you red for shooting Providence residents then maybe it would have been seen in a better light!
As I said above I am sad that you chose to leave as I know many CVA liked you guys and your skills so I hope that you are successful wherever you go and that you eventually repent you sins and return to the Amarrian fold!
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Eugen Ladder
Amarr Howling Griffins The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
If you had announced you were leaving and going NBSI before we had already set you red for shooting Providence residents then maybe it would have been seen in a better light!
As I said above I am sad that you chose to leave as I know many CVA liked you guys and your skills so I hope that you are successful wherever you go and that you eventually repent you sins and return to the Amarrian fold!
announcement: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=954978
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
ps. The holy light of our Amarrian lasers will soon cleanse you!
I know
Incidentally, this is one of the entities who had strategic assets deployed in Catch (which we removed as part of our campaign there against the friends of slavers).
I am personally delighted they have subsequently realised that slavery cannot be supported, or tolerated. I feel there is most definately scope for Polaris and U'K to find common ground and perhaps work togehter.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:41:00 -
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Elfaen Ethenwe
Caldari Infusion. PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:17:00 -
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I'd war dec you on the size of your chin alone.
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:44:00 -
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You know I'm the main, right? The other one is just my cyno ***** ;)
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Orar Ironfist
Gallente Digital assassins
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:56:00 -
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Ah the arguing and namecalling of caod with the added bonus of religon
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 29/01/2009 19:31:56
Originally by: Eugen Ladder Edited by: Eugen Ladder on 29/01/2009 16:53:41
Originally by: Hardin
If you had announced you were leaving and going NBSI before we had already set you red for shooting Providence residents then maybe it would have been seen in a better light!
As I said above I am sad that you chose to leave as I know many CVA liked you guys and your skills so I hope that you are successful wherever you go and that you eventually repent you sins and return to the Amarrian fold!
linky to announcement
Yes and as per that annoucment A cva diplomat even contacted you about your intentions:
[14:11:13] Pezzle > Hello [14:11:29] Eugen Ladder > hi [14:11:34] Pezzle > Standings reset, NBSI ? [14:11:57] Pezzle > anything you care to share with me? =) [14:12:15] Eugen Ladder > nbsi where we live. provi rules applys us still. we dont come pirating [14:12:37] Pezzle > Ah [14:12:57] Pezzle > that is somewhat different, where are you moving? [14:13:07] Eugen Ladder > to catch
Clearly implying you had no nature to come harass us. To be honest I don't care what you wish to do, but I do find the fact that you lie about it amusing. Atleast with Evil Thug and others we have always known where we stand.
Good Luck out there. I'm sure you'll need it. |
Eugen Ladder
Amarr Howling Griffins The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:03:00 -
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To EQ that was before your citagang tried to hunt our member down. And yes you lied also. And Aralis.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eugen Ladder
Originally by: Solusar
Interesting spin on things Polaris. A shame you couldn't leave with your heads held high to follow a new path like most do but that in the end shows us what we need to know about your character traits
Since you brought it up...
We thought about our possibilities and decided to fight to get what we want. If thats not holding your head up high I don't know what is. Some leave Providence with tail tucked and sniveling about being unfairly treated. That is not the Polaris Syndicate way to do things. That is all we have to say about this matter.
You should be just happy with word of God and his true prophet Hardin! If you can't take the beating like a man you should just dock up at empire space to be honest. Just remember to insure your rating ships and you will be fine, may God be my witness.
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Garreck
Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 21:12:00 -
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You shall find God at the end of my lasers!
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Morden Nok
Amarr Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Morden Nok on 29/01/2009 21:34:39
Originally by: Eugen Ladder Edited by: Eugen Ladder on 29/01/2009 20:15:02 To ED that was before your citagang tried to hunt our member down.
Any "hunting" of Polaris Syndicate members was done after 25.01. when Polaris Syndicate decided to use it's blue standings and intel channel access to score some cheap kills on people that had Polaris Syndicate blue. My my, you do like to omit some crucial details from your accusations.
You decided to backstab CVA. Just admit it, trying to weasel out from it is just making you liars in addition to being traitors.
Edit: corrected malformed quote
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