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Mahai Ano
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.30 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mahai Ano on 30/01/2009 06:59:42
Originally by: MotherMoon [..]Eve can finally have raids, thank freaking god, maybe the new missions will actually be interesting instead of AFK play.[..]
Want raids? Go back to playing WoW, Shaman! Oh, in case you haven't noticed, quite many casual players do hate the raid system. They can't get anything, because the 24/7 dudes are all "been there, done that, got all drops I need", and won't go on another one.
You might want to get your drones shot down, cap drained to zil, scrambled and webbed in space, but not all PvE people are like that, some like to win.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri Our goal for the Sleepers was to make each encounter more like a PvP battle, so if you bring a solo BS against a gang of Sleepers you are going to lose, hard. Unless you are that good, guess we'll have to see.
If we have to expect regular ship losses (because it sound like the entire npc gang is going to focus fire on the weakest player target, from your blog), the rewards have better be good, and T3 worth doing...
About the Sleepers, what are their resistances going to be like? I'd really hate it if most ships of a specific race were rendered de facto useless for WH exploration, like Angels and Guristas are making Amarr laser boats a pain in the butt to use... ------------------------------------------
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JimBob Leeroy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Wow servers have 10,000 people each, with 4,000 logged in at a time. If they can find a way to get 40 people together to kill NPCs, I'm sure you can figure out a way to group 4 players out of the 270,000 players you can choose from. (not counting the even more numerous characters those players create. (PvE alt anyone?)
Please CCP, consider making the new epic missions use some of these NPCs.
thanks CCP for making eve more of an mmorpg :)
ok, WoW suks, it is all about the lv 70 stuff with every expansion, with you soon get bored of, pvp servers suk for any one under lv 60, or when you are trying to lv there are lv 60-70 there killing you because they are bored.twiks destroy the bg's, it just all around suks. and yes i did play for 2 months, only because my GF did.and it was something we could do together.
witch is why a stated that it is important for ccp to address both end game and every thing before it.WoW is on it's way out, and they know it, they are scrambling to fix the low lv and mid lv's so as to keep new players, because only geting ppl to have new alts will get old and they will lose player base, witch started before the new expansion.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:47:00 -
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Jove X said "Sleeper race? Makes me wonder if the Dev's have been hanging out in the Jove channel. We were discussing the sleeper races a lot recently." That theory we talked about in private chat is getting more and more likely with every passing day.
As for the Jove channel it does feel like a lot of the ideas and chats on there are making there way into story. Either the people on the channel are getting far too good at predicting the story or someone is watching the chats and borrowing/tweaking the ideas. That or someone has inside information.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mahai Ano Edited by: Mahai Ano on 30/01/2009 06:59:42
Originally by: MotherMoon [..]Eve can finally have raids, thank freaking god, maybe the new missions will actually be interesting instead of AFK play.[..]
Want raids? Go back to playing WoW, Shaman! Oh, in case you haven't noticed, quite many casual players do hate the raid system. They can't get anything, because the 24/7 dudes are all "been there, done that, got all drops I need", and won't go on another one.
You might want to get your drones shot down, cap drained to zil, scrambled and webbed in space, but not all PvE people are like that, some like to win.
your right, which is why none of that is changing. Stop whining, it's only the new content. it's not they are doing what wow does. In wow they hard cap the number of players you can use and make it so you HAVE TO HAVE 40 people to do a raid.
While I hate this system (wow sucks) it gives players who want to join together and fight together, but not PvP, something to do. Right now there is no reason you should get 40 people together to go PvE.
Just because they add new missions and NPCs doesn't mean they are killing your solo PvE. Go do your level 4 no risk way to high rewards missions. You can have on your own thank you very much.
And for the wormholes, just go do thwem in highsec, I'm sure as long as you don't run into anything to bad you'll be just DAMN FINE.
In Wow, the other problem is that NPCs are about 40 times more owerful than the players. EvE is about balance. The idea is that these new NPCs will be like Players in strength. Grow some balls? It's not like these new NPCs are anywhere near RAIDS in wow. IN fact that would be stupid. The idea here is players and NPC are equal.
I don't want to feel like I'm unpowered to NPCs, I want to feel like I'm on equal footing with them.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 30/01/2009 07:54:50
Originally by: JimBob Leeroy
Originally by: MotherMoon
Wow servers have 10,000 people each, with 4,000 logged in at a time. If they can find a way to get 40 people together to kill NPCs, I'm sure you can figure out a way to group 4 players out of the 270,000 players you can choose from. (not counting the even more numerous characters those players create. (PvE alt anyone?)
Please CCP, consider making the new epic missions use some of these NPCs.
thanks CCP for making eve more of an mmorpg :)
ok, WoW suks, it is all about the lv 70 stuff with every expansion, with you soon get bored of, pvp servers suk for any one under lv 60, or when you are trying to lv there are lv 60-70 there killing you because they are bored.twiks destroy the bg's, it just all around suks. and yes i did play for 2 months, only because my GF did.and it was something we could do together.
witch is why a stated that it is important for ccp to address both end game and every thing before it.WoW is on it's way out, and they know it, they are scrambling to fix the low lv and mid lv's so as to keep new players, because only geting ppl to have new alts will get old and they will lose player base, witch started before the new expansion.
yes I hate wow, most people l know this that read these forums. I love how you guys just see the word "wow" and instanty think I'm supporting it
wows set up encourages players to form up into group. much like Eves PVP. Which wow doesn't do. WoW pvp is like this. Join que, join eandom team of people, fight. That's stupid, the whole idea of wow is stupid.
But there is nothing wrong with PvE encouraging players to group up. In fact, whole corps might spring up, full of players that are all on at the same time. it just happens thier game times all are at the same time, so they have to spend an hour getting a fleet.
I honestly hate the idea of wow raids becuase they added a feature which basically ques you up to join a raiding group... so terrible, oh god you have no idea.
also what about smart NPCs means end game? unlike wow, you could just bring more noobs. Get 10 frigates (2 million isk) and go **** some NPC batleships that a single battleship (80 million isk) couldn't hope to kill. it will be just like eve. eve has no end game, it never will.
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Pliauga
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:55:00 -
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MOAR DEVBLOGS!!!
(Uhm..hmm..) This is shaping up to be really interesting.
And MotherMoon, I'm with you on this one.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Kantrel Paul Atreides: Father... father, the sleeper has awakened!!!!
Was I the only one who thought of it as an H. G. Wells reference? --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:53:00 -
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Will these Sleepers finaly be affected by EW? |
Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:29:00 -
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Would NPCs logically choosing targets mean that bringing logistics ships would be pretty much pointless ? |
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Galena Technetium
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:31:00 -
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The dev's keep forgetting how most games (especially Eve) work in regards to "risk".
How many solo "gate camps" do you run across? How many 3 ship corps attack a POS?
It doesn't happen. People bring enough force to bear where there is no risk. Sure, big giant fleet battles happen sometimes. But that's not the norm. Most of the time, in Eve, PvP consists of a 6 on 1 gank. Or a 12 on 3, etc. The outcome is never in doubt (unless it is whether the smaller group can escape or just die).
So it is with this new AI. People will bring enough force that the new AI WON'T be any more of a challenge than the current AI. Sure, it will take MORE force than before. But it still will be "shoot/loot", just with more fingers in the pie.
So, what do you do? Since there is "no risk" (NPC's badly outgunned), will there be reward enough to make people WANT to do this activity?
And the dev's will have effectively "raised the bar" to the group-only content I mentioned earlier. How would a soloer know what a worm hole contains? Will they have to cheese it up and carry 3 warp stab's in the lows just to find out, then go back through the wormhole, grab a real combat ship, etc etc...
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:31:00 -
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Only if you honortank your logistic ships... |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri Our goal for the Sleepers was to make each encounter more like a PvP battle, so if you bring a solo BS against a gang of Sleepers you are going to lose, hard. Unless you are that good, guess we'll have to see.
Awesome stuff so far.
However..
If the w-space npc are going to act like players will they also have the same weakness as in your ew/neut/damp mods work on them to full effect. So you could use a tanked bs to bait the npc into engaging then uncloak the falcon and warp in the support then *pop* goes the npcs? Or will the mods not be as effective due to the 'higher' tech of the sleepers and your 'normal' pvp gang setup will get you killed?
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Lashar
Originally by: Bonny Lee
In my honest opinion your post is full of fail.
Go home and reconsider everything you wrote. Its crap.
I cant believe you consider that good feedback ccp :p
Hello there, space friend.
I predate you by four years, most of it spent in 0.0. Two years before you even created your character, I was fighting warp scrambling Battleship NPCs. Did you know they existed? Did you know warp scrambling by NPCs was common?
By the time you were learning how to fly a cruiser, I was helping build the first Titans by farming NPC hauler spawns. Averaging three or four spawns a day, dropping up to 60mil trit each. But as you say, that's completely negligible!
But ignoring the fact that me > you, the reason my feedback may be considered valid, is because 0.0 has been boosted in a dozen different ways already. All of them have failed to change the status quo, and yours are no different, space friend.
So you have built titans 2006. I guess then i can asume that you havent been in bad true-sec systems for a long time. If you have been in alliances building titans you had access to the best of 0.0 space. This space is ok. But whats your last time you had to live in space with bad true-sec? You dont know anything.
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JimBob Leeroy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:59:00 -
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mothermoon first, did not mean that you liked WoW, just that you are asking for content of a WoW type expansion. the wormholes will hopefully reduce the numbers to this systems enough that you don't end up with blobs.and other than the one dev post here all the others give the impression that if you enter from high sec MOST TIMES you will end in an easier version of this, for those who wish to solo, but solo is not suppose to be easy, this is meant for those that find lv 4's boring, not the guy who just got in a bs.the AI will let you get a feel for pvp, and have a pvp set up ship so as to be capable of fighting off pirates,provided they don't get you while all ready fighting, or have superior numbers or skills.if you enter from low sec, you would need a bigger gang, but pvp would be less likely there, if you enter from 0.0 you will need even bigger gang, and all most no chance of pvp.
but that is purely my take on the other forum added to this one.
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Malen Nenokal
Eden Federal Recon
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:02:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new sleeper overlords. |
Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: CCP Gangleri Our goal for the Sleepers was to make each encounter more like a PvP battle, so if you bring a solo BS against a gang of Sleepers you are going to lose, hard. Unless you are that good, guess we'll have to see.
Awesome stuff so far.
However..
If the w-space npc are going to act like players will they also have the same weakness as in your ew/neut/damp mods work on them to full effect. So you could use a tanked bs to bait the npc into engaging then uncloak the falcon and warp in the support then *pop* goes the npcs? Or will the mods not be as effective due to the 'higher' tech of the sleepers and your 'normal' pvp gang setup will get you killed?
I suggest you pop over to the AI thread. Some references have been made to what the AI will do. It seems the new NPCs have been build from the group up, with new capabilities and scripts/AI to match. What we're sure off is that they fly more intelligently and have a better mechanism for choosing what to shoot at. EW was mentioned as well, as was trying to make the NPCs act more like players with their capabilities and modules. A lot of balance has gone into the new NPCs as well, so because they're better, you'll encounter fewer of them, but the rewards you'll get from them are better as well. How it all fits together we'll probably read in future blogs especially the one from Incognito.
I also want to say that if you have ideas on what and how NPCs should act for this expansion or beyond, you post it in the AI thread as well. It's clear from the replies in that thread that all those suggestions are read and taken on board, if not for this expansion, than put on the backlog for later on. A lot of really cool stuff has been posted there already. |
Onyx Asablot
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:13:00 -
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Oh man I'm looking forward to these Sleepers :)
Having smarter AI is high on the list of topics I would like to see in EvE, so I look forward to hearing more about the details.
CCP mentioned that existing NPC's already 'warp away' in certain situations. This isn't quite true as they simply disappear, something I have always thought broke immersion. I don't like them just pulling a vanishing act. It would be great if the NPC's actually aligned and warped off grid if this were to happen with the sleepers (and also were pinned by warp disruptors etc just like a player, causing people to have to fit warp disruptors just like pvp fits).
I hope that the easier W-space areas are solo'able (with difficulty) but that the harder areas require teamwork. It seems that this is how it is designed so good stuff.
Good luck with the rest of the dev!
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Agrilad From Skill: "The Sleepers were masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology."
Are y'all changing this description?
maybe this is where the jove got there pod tech from -------------------- i play momorpugers |
ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:17:00 -
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a few points - sisi testing is it going to occour soon. 3 weeks just wont be enough to iron out bugs
Sleepers ok so pvp setups no problem can do that.
Id say 375k maybe 450k gimped bs in belts nothing and it will be rare probably would be better off with more bcs |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: JimBob Leeroy mothermoon first, did not mean that you liked WoW, just that you are asking for content of a WoW type expansion. the wormholes will hopefully reduce the numbers to this systems enough that you don't end up with blobs.and other than the one dev post here all the others give the impression that if you enter from high sec MOST TIMES you will end in an easier version of this, for those who wish to solo, but solo is not suppose to be easy, this is meant for those that find lv 4's boring, not the guy who just got in a bs.the AI will let you get a feel for pvp, and have a pvp set up ship so as to be capable of fighting off pirates,provided they don't get you while all ready fighting, or have superior numbers or skills.if you enter from low sec, you would need a bigger gang, but pvp would be less likely there, if you enter from 0.0 you will need even bigger gang, and all most no chance of pvp.
but that is purely my take on the other forum added to this one.
totalty, I hope to see high sec wormholes to be more solo, that way most people go in solo knowing they can do them solo. This will bring more solo people, thus more one on one PvP.
However what I was asking was less of what you find in a wow expansion, and more of what you find in a game like .. oh god.. pokemon of all things. where those tyhings you fight are the same things you are. To me this is best kind of rpg. not that I like pokemon anymore :P I grew out of that genre. But the idea of what you fly, is what you fight, is awesome.
and if the other side of thw wormhole has a group of 3 BAttleships, then get your 2 friends with battleships, and GO AT IT! tactical combat at it's best involves multiple ships.
p.s.(pkoemon failed due to it ebing one on one... I guess front mission would be a better example.)
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:34:00 -
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Waa! My drones will get shot!
Well, you can...
A) Carry spares in your mobile base, since it seems one will be required for any 'serious' W-space expedition.
B) Fit a tracking disruptor
C) Orbit close and recall them if they get shot / smartbombed
W-space rats sound like they'll fight more like PvP PCs, which means pvp tactics and pvp fits. If you take a normal, PvE fit Domi or Golem into a wormhole I wouldn't be surprised if you get exploded by the first cruiser rat you run into.
Also, yes, you'll get lost, you can get stuck. This is EvE, deal with it. Or not - nobody is forcing you to do wormhole exploration and I strongly doubt T3 will replace T2 anymore than T2 replaced T1 (well, ships anyway)
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:44:00 -
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those going into wspace will know the risks im assuming if not will be a boon for ship manfuactures anyway.
Survival and profit will depend on quick adaptiveness and a co operative effort the way eve is
actually it sounds like ccp has something they can work with here in wspace
will the new rats do new dps types perhaps or a combination of existing ones
there are what 3 other ancient non jove and non jove enemy races to come yet so i see lots of room for future expansions here as long as ccp can keep ne content going sideways and perhaps up but not at a great speed they will have something they can work with now to just let us test it
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1Of9
Gallente The Circle Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:58:00 -
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Dear CCP: According to dev posts in the previous blog and some dev posts on this blog, it will be v.hard (if not near impossible) for a solo explorer to be able to win over this new NPCs. (some dev spoke about NOSing/NEUting on the previous blog, on this blog it was said "solo BS will lose. hard.")
I think it's v.good that this new NPCs will be hard to kill and they will be smart, but please don't exaggerate.
Im a solo explorer most of the time, i play eve -ALOT- and most of this time there's no one around to be able to come with me, so i have to run plexes and sites all by myself or i stay docked spinning ships until someone comes online able to come along.
So, please, don't forget about people like me, don't make it too hard so we cant solo this new NPCs.
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Franga on 30/01/2009 11:10:50 Whilst I am happy to see that some of this stuff could bring potentially new targets to low-sec, I hope that my general run of the mill ISK-whoring for 'actual' PVP isn't going to be distrubed.
Doesn't sound like it will initially anyway.
EDIT: And I forgot ... MOAR DEV-BLOGS ----------
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:19:00 -
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Haha! Another "we will NEVER"-myth is broken here; Alien race.
You fail CCP, FAIL!!! It would not have been so much fail per se if you would have said that "we might add aliens" rather than "we will NEVER"(TM).
Fail!
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:26:00 -
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Kuolematon said ôHaha! Another "we will NEVER"-myth is broken here; Alien race.ö If the new Sleepers are the same one as the Sleepers already in game then they are humans not Aliens.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Kuolematon said ôHaha! Another "we will NEVER"-myth is broken here; Alien race.ö If the new Sleepers are the same one as the Sleepers already in game then they are humans not Aliens.
It's the same Sleepers as in the backstory.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon Haha! Another "we will NEVER"-myth is broken here; Alien race.
You fail CCP, FAIL!!! It would not have been so much fail per se if you would have said that "we might add aliens" rather than "we will NEVER"(TM).
Fail!
Luckily JGE is coming!
What saddens me moast is that your not even trying anymoar.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:35:00 -
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LaVista Vista said ôIt's the same Sleepers as in the backstory.ö ThatÆs great news but the next big question is are the Sleepers and the Enheduanni Sleepers the same or linked or are they completely two different things? I assume you wouldnÆt have permission to answer and the devs wouldnÆt for storyline reasons.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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