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Lemoney Biscuits
Woeful Platypus Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:06:00 -
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This happened to me, I thought it would be a nice idea to double my 12b ISK instead I lost most of it. Then I quit for over a month before I even claimed the 20% I had won. Thankfully, I'm being helped with recovering that 20% now that I'm back.
I'm not sure what I want to do in EVE but I've never tried manufacturing, I think I'm going to try that.
But because of this and perhaps prior to this I was losing attachment to ISK, though obviously not that much because it made me quit. But now that I've lost so much regaining it seems almost silly. Plus, people are making hundreds of billions doing Incursions which makes it seem pointless to try and amass anything as it's petty in comparison and I don't like grinding.
Better question is probably what did or could rekindle your passion for EVE?
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
739
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:07:00 -
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I'd make a thread about it. That's for damn sure. |
baltec1
1117
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:08:00 -
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Set a goal and make it happen. |
Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
78
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:15:00 -
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Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Remembers, fly Frigates - Capsuleers are more tenacious than baseliner crews.-á |
Lemoney Biscuits
Woeful Platypus Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:18:00 -
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Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that.
Does this really work guys? |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
611
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:28:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys?
You might have a problem. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
469
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:30:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:
Better question is probably what did or could rekindle your passion for EVE?
You just have to make one more bet, and you'll get it all back. Go for it! |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:46:00 -
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sell my cup full of fap for 15 dollars. I have more space likes than you.-á |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
134
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:55:00 -
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Make more isk, spend it on ships, go get blown up.
If you fail at getting blown up, try harder |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
238
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:05:00 -
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Having floating ISK at present is probably a bag thing because it is being de-valued by the ISK-faucet that is Incursions.
Your best option, if making ISK is you end-game or goal, is probably some wise investment on the market.
It's a bit of a black art but I'd advise starting small by looking to make small gains with a few mil to play with and work up from there.
Don't fly/gamble what you cannot afford to lose. If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:13:00 -
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From personal experience, having less money actually makes the game more fun.
I used to make a lot of ISK by playing the markets, but at some point, I got burned out. Now, after years of PLEXing and buying nice stuff, I have a cash net worth of only a few billion ISK. I do, however, have plenty of stuff to kill people with. ISK has lost its meaning to me. It's something I only think about when I need to make a purchase, and don't have enough in my wallet to actually cover it. Rolling on twelve figures is no longer something you think about when you realize that you won't continue to play the game after it's no longer fun. I've been playing for about eight years. |
Liam Mirren
454
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:03:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:From personal experience, having less money actually makes the game more fun.
ding ding ding. Needing to make isk is a good drive, having so much isk you wouldn't know wtf to do with it means you're mostly just bored or start doing stupid stuff after which you cringe when it (obviously) goes wrong.
That's why I try to explain to newbies that buying/selling a plex when starting this game generally is a bad thing to do. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:11:00 -
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If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too, ../.. Yours is the Earth and everything thatGÇÖs in it, And, which is more, youGÇÖll be a man, my son.
Extracts from "If" by Kipling.
Grind for your fortune and gamble it again. Do it again if it falls.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions. |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:12:00 -
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double post Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:27:00 -
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Minor technical deletions.
Please keep this topic as fine as it worth it. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
695
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:37:00 -
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Never fly what you can't afford to lose also applies to gambling. Never gamble with what you would not be willing to lose.
If you do... you should probably seek help. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:48:00 -
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Is that you Gaiden? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
233
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:48:00 -
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In RL it would never happen as I don't gamble.
In EVE who cares, it's a game. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
186
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:49:00 -
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stop gambling. |
ugh zug
22
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:17:00 -
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make more isk, gamble the rest away. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
642
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:19:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys? Yes.
Please inform me what table you will be sitting at in EOH poker prior to losing all your wealth a second time winning everything you lost back.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
33
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:19:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:From personal experience, having less money actually makes the game more fun.
Can I get an 'AMEN!' here..? I found myself temporarily well-off enoguh that I've not been worried about where my next batch of ammo is coming from, and for the last few weeks, I've been kinda bumming about, not doing much. OK, so I've trained a few skills, but the hunger is missing. Think I'll go lose a few more bombers, maybe get a few KMs too, and see if the ol' desperate hunger comes back.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1546
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:24:00 -
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I would move into a WH and start making money and quit falling for scams. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Pyx Jasta
104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Insane Asylum
48
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:33:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys?
Absolutely. In fact you may even want to discuss this with those you gamble with. Often they're more than happy to give you a loan you can use to gamble with, with very reasonable rates. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:13:00 -
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Gambling, lol. Sounds legit. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:16:00 -
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Double down. |
Mugged Yougot
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
11
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:22:00 -
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I would never gamle again? A smarter person than you would not go into gambling, but start his own casino. |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:22:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys? Yes. That's why Vegas has been around so long. Go ahead and do it. I'm sure you've used up all your bad luck by now. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
10
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:35:00 -
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I lost 20% of my worth in a stupidcide gank. Then another 25% to get my ship back in order. All it did was motivate me more to hit my first $bill... which I've done. And promptly spent 50% on a shiny new fleet. Look at em... all shiny and new and still in their boxes. Drooooool....
Now... back to a $bill! Huzzah! GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
570
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:50:00 -
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I gamble only with my life... never my money. :3 Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:52:00 -
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I don't gamble.
On the other hand I also don't really care for ISK since it's only a means and not a goal.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:52:00 -
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If I lost 80% of my money gambling, I'd seek professional help. If I saw myself trying to gamble to pay off a gambling debt, I'd paint "mafia target" on my back and accept my true fate in life. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
244
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:57:00 -
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Sounds like you got yourself in a bit of a spot there. I've got some extra isk that I can spare and help you with. Just send me any amount that you feel comfortable with and I'll double it and send it back to you. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lemoney Biscuits
Woeful Platypus Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:59:00 -
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I found a bunch of bonus tickets the people I gambled with gave to me that I never used. I'm going to use those to try to get back up on my feet. Besides that I started making the first steps to setting up industry production, but I struggle with the knowledge of how much I've lost. I know why gamblers drink now. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
619
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:00:00 -
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Get my noodle checked out by the head shrinker. If I lost 80% of my wealth that would be an indicator of addiction.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:12:00 -
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Less isk makes eve more fun was said, but QFT...
The most enjoyment I have found requires careful flying of smaller ships that are lower cost. So the pirate epics, exploration, wormholes, and more are all very enjoyable in small fleet. Hopefully higher risk incursions means less shiny ships so more people can fly cost effectively. |
Hroya
36
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:17:00 -
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Losing 80% of my wealth ... hmm .. i think i'll mine veldspar for an hour and be back up.
Well that was an easy question. Next ?
You go your corridor but. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1561
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:19:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Sounds like you got yourself in a bit of a spot there. I've got some extra isk that I can spare and help you with. Just send me any amount that you feel comfortable with and I'll double it and send it back to you.
Which is probably exactly what got him into this situation to begin with... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1702
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:34:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:This happened to me, I thought it would be a nice idea to double my 12b ISK instead I lost most of it. Then I quit for over a month before I even claimed the 20% I had won. Thankfully, I'm being helped with recovering that 20% now that I'm back.
I'm not sure what I want to do in EVE but I've never tried manufacturing, I think I'm going to try that.
But because of this and perhaps prior to this I was losing attachment to ISK, though obviously not that much because it made me quit. But now that I've lost so much regaining it seems almost silly. Plus, people are making hundreds of billions doing Incursions which makes it seem pointless to try and amass anything as it's petty in comparison and I don't like grinding.
Better question is probably what did or could rekindle your passion for EVE?
People making hundreds of billions doing Incursions? Well, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
Best thing to do is whatever you enjoy doing in Eve and don't look at the grass on the other side of the fence. |
Steel Wraith
47
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:34:00 -
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If I lost 80% of my wealth gambling I would focus on the 20% I did win and tell all my friends about all the (20%) money I'm making playing online poker so I look and feel like a pro. Eventually I might even be able to convince myself it's true, and that's all that matters, right? Gambling is fun. |
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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
84
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I gamble only with my life... never my money. :3
Great wisdom behind this.
EDIT: Its a quote from The Mummy (movie) |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
571
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:55:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:I gamble only with my life... never my money. :3 Great wisdom behind this. EDIT: Its a quote from The Mummy (movie) I have found that some of the best wisdom for life comes from b-rated movies. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:30:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote:If you can make one heap of all your winnings, And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings, And never breathe a word about your loss, ../.. Yours is the Earth and everything thatGÇÖs in it, And, which is more, youGÇÖll be a man, my son.
Extracts from "If" by Kipling.
Grind for your fortune and gamble it again. Do it again if it fails.
I have lost all my wallet a month ago. Making my ISK back was much more fun than expected.
*sniff* that was beautiful
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Zen Sarum
Hour of Reckoning
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:45:00 -
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1. Buy a plex 2. Stop being useless 3. Kill people for isk |
Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:00:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys?
"Problem gamblers have the erroneous belief that if they keep playing, they will eventually win. While it is logically correct to say that more trials of a probabilistic event increase the likelihood of the event occurring at least once, some hold the fallacious belief that previous failures influence the likelihood of future successes. If individual incidences of probabilistic events are independent of each other, then this belief is incorrect. To hold such a belief is to commit the Gambler's Fallacy." ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
355
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:08:00 -
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Vangelios wrote:Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys? "Problem gamblers have the erroneous belief that if they keep playing, they will eventually win. While it is logically correct to say that more trials of a probabilistic event increase the likelihood of the event occurring at least once, some hold the fallacious belief that previous failures influence the likelihood of future successes. If individual incidences of probabilistic events are independent of each other, then this belief is incorrect. To hold such a belief is to commit the Gambler's Fallacy." Is this why some casino bouncers beat the living daylights out of me and threw me outside without my shoes after I kept doubling my bet in blackjack until I won? |
Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
14
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:10:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Vangelios wrote:Lemoney Biscuits wrote:Halete wrote:Make more ISK and gamble it, you're bound to have a good luck turn after that. Does this really work guys? "Problem gamblers have the erroneous belief that if they keep playing, they will eventually win. While it is logically correct to say that more trials of a probabilistic event increase the likelihood of the event occurring at least once, some hold the fallacious belief that previous failures influence the likelihood of future successes. If individual incidences of probabilistic events are independent of each other, then this belief is incorrect. To hold such a belief is to commit the Gambler's Fallacy." Is this why some casino bouncers beat the living daylights out of me and threw me outside without my shoes after I kept doubling my bet in blackjack until I won?
yes |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
34
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:51:00 -
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Great lesson, glad you got to do it with fake money :) Gambling is a business, all businesses are designed to make money by takin yours. They make money by lowering their risk while increasing yours
Manufacturing is pretty nice, Your able to control your risk a lot. If you use properly collateralized courier contracts, the risk loosing 80% of your capital is greatly reduced. Its like buying insurance. Alts of course are another way to reduce risk, especially in the trade arenas. Its not uncommon to get wardecced for going into someones territory. couriers and alts let you continue like a dec shield. Market fluctuations are another source of risk. If you keep your pencil sharp you'll know when your bidding into risk and can reduce your exposure like a pvper does by only flying what you can afford to lose. War decs, forum trolls and lies/speculative rumors are all part of the arsenal that will be used against you in manufacturin
They say pain is the great motivator for change. you already got a taste of that. Being able to avoid pain is probably second. I gave you some techniques above. It allows you to give yourself permission. But that doesn't give an initial push. A short lived push off the log can be had by imagining all the fun money or power or security you'll have when you reach your goals. Money is only a symbol of things like these. A positive attitude is harder to keep than a negative one. Keep an end goal and a plan in front of you so you can capitilize on opportunities that your about ready for anyhow. Luck is for people without a plan. Smart competitors will try to give you a negative attitude to reduce your efficiency and enthusiasm. Don't let them win the big battle. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
284
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:19:00 -
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Lemoney Biscuits wrote:What would you do if you lost 80% of your wealth gambling?
I'd use the remaining 20% to buy a Pepsi...
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Ashley Hanomaa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:26:00 -
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Transfer it to me and I'll double it for you
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