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Raven Lansfear
Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum
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Posted - 2009.01.29 23:30:00 -
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Transmission : 149933-8X Location : Kamela Diffusion Channel : Public Code : Red
Originally by: Nepher Sarum
Amarrian people,
It is now the time to light our beams against the heathens that spoil and corrupt the will of our Lord !
War has been raging for a lot of time in the Bleak Lands : lands between our glorious Empire and these minmatar rebel fools. But the threat weighting on our sacred lands is growing up.
The Star Fraction has decided to come in force with the goal to support our nemesis.
This situation is unbearable. All our milician fellow crusaders, brothers and sisters are now directly concerned by this plague, and our Order can not anymore ignore this conflict !
The Sisters of Jamyl Sarum are anouncing their entry in the war against this gathering of criminals.
May God give us the strenght to overcome the heathens !
Amarr Victor !
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.29 23:53:00 -
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May the Freecaptains dance on your graves, slaver scum.
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Drakonus Laerdon
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 00:17:00 -
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Surround yourself with the faithful, stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens.
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions, 71:21
Good luck in your war against the heathen anarchists. ---------------
Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam. |
Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 00:31:00 -
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I'd wish Star Fraction good luck in this but I know all they need is a willingness for their opponents to undock and fight.
This is not a comment on the Sisters of Jamyl Sarum ability or willingness, merely a comment on Star Fraction. |
Jonny Damordred
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:12:00 -
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Kill'em all Jade!
Love and Ganking, Jonny D. |
Graelyn
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:38:00 -
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It is always funny to see what friendships can form out of desperation.
I'm sure the Fractionists will be supporting Shakor's government for some time.
Everyone lies. Good guys lose. And love does not conquer all. So let's do this thing. |
Tractus Vesica
Caldari Atrum Flamma Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2009.01.30 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tractus Vesica on 30/01/2009 04:16:08 We Caldari will watch you two go at it and look for a way to profit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL PRAISE THE MIGHT OF THE STATE!
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Jodie Amille
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 05:16:00 -
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It's a waste of money in all honesty. SF are no different than the Minmatar militia, then go for ganks and run very swiftly from even fights. |
Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Boma Airaken on 30/01/2009 07:25:23 Go freecaptains.
I should get a secretary to just respond to almost every thread here for me. with the exact same message.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:40:00 -
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It is good to see the slavers throwing themselves onto other people's swords.
Originally by: Raven Lansfear Amarr Victor !
Shouldn't that be "Amarr Victoria" now ?
Let My People Go |
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Letheeth Kayl
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Shouldn't that be "Amarr Victoria" now ?
Well, it's always been Victoria, but that's an archaic form of speech, that few use outside of grand speeches and dusty lecture halls, and it's pronounced wick-TOHR-ee-ay. Please try to pay more attention next time through Capsuleer Candidate School. Then you might learn something, like how to gauge the value of non market goods, and passive-use public goods, such as social progress and order. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Letheeth Kayl
Originally by: Poreuomai Shouldn't that be "Amarr Victoria" now ?
Well, it's always been Victoria, but that's an archaic form of speech, that few use outside of grand speeches and dusty lecture halls, and it's pronounced wick-TOHR-ee-ay.
It seems appropriate.
Originally by: Letheeth Kayl Please try to pay more attention next time through Capsuleer Candidate School. Then you might learn something, like how to gauge the value of non market goods, and passive-use public goods, such as social progress and order.
A puzzled look appears on Poreuomai's face.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:20:00 -
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To the Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum,
We welcome you to the war. The Star Fraction stands opposed to all you cherish and we take pride as the embodiment of all you despise. We are the antithesis of your faith, we pour scorn and derision on your myths, we openly mock the imperial authority you covet and we brazenly destroy everything you aspire to be. While you walk on your knees as penitents we rise to the skies and yield to no authority in the universe.
You have chosen wisely in your declaration however, because while the Free Captains of the Star Fraction are able to freely base and launch operations from Arzad in the heart of the warzone your fellow kittens of the faith and mewling catamite leadership will be unable to command their own fleets for fear of anarchist intervention and targeted assassination.
Thus we take up your blazoned gauntlet of challenge and meet it with these words:
"Bring your forces, bring your allies, bring your petty incantations and pitiful chanting besides. The Star Fraction is ready to meet your charge and deliver your souls to the next incarnation as we shatter your vessels and disintegrate your faith for good measure.
Let this be a strong conflict, let this be a deadly fight without relent or surrender, let this be a fiery clashing of primal energies against the bright tapestry of stars and let neither anarchist nor sarumite flee or cry quarter until the battle is done!
Cursed be the name of those that retreat from this fight! Let whatever gods can listen to these words accept this declaration by Raven Lansfear as a holy warrant to pursue this conflict for eternity or death to her enemies. And let those same gods hear the laughter of The Star Fraction as we prepare to send their servants and rabble to the otherworld.
Declaration is made, let the words be made fast in space or let the universe know Amarr is craven and her promises naught but dust on the wind."
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Stitcher
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:29:00 -
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The fact that Captain Constantine chose a career in the capsule over a career in the theatre is a loss to both professions. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher The fact that Captain Constantine chose a career in the capsule over a career in the theatre is a loss to both professions.
Ah mister Sticher, Veto this week eh?
I think you're just jealous that you don't have religious zealots declaring war on you.
Fly safe.
ISSUE - Bring back live events |
Stitcher
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:34:00 -
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Yeah. Next week I'm scheduled to try out for Ghost Festival and in March I'll be retiring to Saisio to study as a monk. |
Saul Dhampir
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:02:00 -
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Love it.
I wonder if you are all as ugly and worthless as that talking, walking waste of flesh that is the B!tch queen mongrel you name yourselves after.
Originally by: Graelyn I'm sure the Fractionists will be supporting Shakor's government for some time.
That all you got Grae? ThatÆs tired by even PIEÆs **** poor standards.
Originally by: Jodie Amille It's a waste of money in all honesty. SF are no different than the Minmatar militia, then go for ganks and run very swiftly from even fights.
IÆm sorry love but can you please go back and look again at A. Facts, B. Killboards and C. Reality.
IÆve seen some crap before but you are genuinely talking out of your posterior. I can sight several fights where you dogs have run for your lives, and a few where far from running, we have stood and battled to the last ship and been given a good kicking.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jodie Amille SF are no different than the Minmatar militia, then go for ganks and run very swiftly from even fights.
Smack is always the same:
YOU always run! YOU always dock! YOU can only whine!
The reality is that very few groups fight against the odds. Or even againat "even" odds. If someone lost a battle, it usually was not because they engaged against the odds, but because they were wrong about the odds. When the odds seem to be against them, any group will avoid combat by running and/or docking.
And warfare is about deception, so what you think would be "even odds" can look very different to your enemy. And you can of course be wrong as well.
But it seems that repeating the same litany of blind idiocy over and over again is somehow seen as useful in persuading someone of something.
Considering the extreme use of repetition, I'd call it "very amarrian" now, but I guess if it is, it's the one Amarrian cultural trait that has managed to infect the whole cluster. |
Graelyn
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:59:00 -
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Quote: That all you got Grae? ThatÆs tired by even PIEÆs **** poor standards.
It's all that's required. Your actions speak louder than my words (and your own). |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Quote: That all you got Grae? ThatÆs tired by even PIEÆs **** poor standards.
It's all that's required. Your actions speak louder than my words (and your own).
I find it peculiar that the event of an Amarrian paramilitary organisation declaring war on the Star Fraction can be so glibly interpreted as 'the Fractionists supporting Shakor's government'.
We oppose your Anti-Heretic Sow's government. We opposed the government under Karsoth's interregnum, when the other Heirs stood idly by as a traitor ran the Amarrian state. We opposed the Empire of Doriam II, gratifyingly short as his reign was. We opposed the Empire of Heideran VII. We oppose, in short, the principles of tyranny that the Amarr Empire has embodied for millennia and which, I fear, it is likely to continue to embody for some time to come.
Play your word games all you will. Our actions do indeed speak loud and the above declaration is the result.
The Cosmopolite
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Gebher'el
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
We oppose your Anti-Heretic Sow's government. We opposed the government under Karsoth's interregnum, when the other Heirs stood idly by as a traitor ran the Amarrian state. We opposed the Empire of Doriam II, gratifyingly short as his reign was. We opposed the Empire of Heideran VII. We oppose, in short, the principles of tyranny that the Amarr Empire has embodied for millennia and which, I fear, it is likely to continue to embody for some time to come.
Play your word games all you will. Our actions do indeed speak loud and the above declaration is the result.
The Cosmopolite
So you are saying that at no time have your forces ACTIVELY aided Minmatar loyalist forces? At no time have your forces served as scouts gor any members of the Matar milita?
Play your word games as you will but we know the truth. For not supporting the Matar government you spend a lot of time and effort providing direct assistance to it's forces. In fact a look at your history makes one wonder, I could be wrong but I do not recall Star Fraction ever opening declaring against Minmatar loyalist forces.
You openly claim to oppose all governments and yet have provided direct support to Matar forces and have not possible ever done anything to hinder Matar forces. Sounds to me like you oppose all but ONE government. |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik But it seems that repeating the same litany of blind idiocy over and over again is somehow seen as useful in persuading someone of something.
Indeed mr. Sadik, I agree. It would seem wise not to let this degenerate into a name-calling contest and killboard stats discussion.
I think the Praetorians have been quite careful to not fall into this trap, and I urge mr. Dhampir to not go farther down this road.
This war will not be decided by boasts about odds of engagement, or by the destruction of several more ships on either side in some battle. And I'm quite convinced the people on the summit are not particulary eager to see such exchanges as well.
This thread is about a loyalist corporation declaring war on a known enemy of the Empire. Let's keep it on topic.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gebher'el
So you are saying that at no time have your forces ACTIVELY aided Minmatar loyalist forces? At no time have your forces served as scouts gor any members of the Matar milita?
Play your word games as you will but we know the truth. For not supporting the Matar government you spend a lot of time and effort providing direct assistance to it's forces. In fact a look at your history makes one wonder, I could be wrong but I do not recall Star Fraction ever opening declaring against Minmatar loyalist forces.
You openly claim to oppose all governments and yet have provided direct support to Matar forces and have not possible ever done anything to hinder Matar forces. Sounds to me like you oppose all but ONE government.
Well, as those more versed in the history will know, we did have the Tribal Liberation Force set to -10 at one time. We have, indeed, had mutual -10 status with certain Republican corporations and alliances that did not approve of our anti-government stance. We have shot at and been shot by pilots associated with the Minmatar Republic, in the past, before the current conflict and during it.
A change in stance towards the government-controlled TLF militia corporation, setting it neutral, was announced towards the end of YC110. This was done according to our analysis of the nature of that organisation and what threat it posed, both directly to us and as a possible vector of authoritarian government. Many urged us to exclude the TLF when we set all government-controlled militias to -10 many months ago. While respecting them, we only did so when we were satisfied that a neutral setting was justified. That setting does not constitute support for the Minmatar Republic as an entity or the Shakor government as a particular aspect of it. No more than any neutral setting constitutes support for anyone.
That aside, our operational stance in the conflict zone is that we oppose the Amarr Empire and its militia proxies in its expansionist desires in the area. We don't oppose the activities of the Minmatar militia. We are therefore free to enter into agreements with numerous capsuleer-controlled corporations within the Minmatar militia. I see no real issue with this and there is no great controversy. They oppose the Amarr Empire too. A number of them have no great yen for the Republic, if it come to that, but I won't speak for them.
Now, and again the binary thinking so beloved of the Amarrian paramilitary comes in here, I know and understand that in your world opposition to X's enemies while not directly fighting X constitutes support for X. Well, that is your view but other people take a different view. I also counsel some caution in overusing that logic as it can lead to some unfortunate outcomes closer to home.
Despite all, the fact remains that the Star Fraction does not support the Minmatar Republic or the Shakor government. We don't support states and governments. What you have, true, is an absence of active opposition by the use of force. It is incorrect to see this absence as support. Rather, it speaks to a difference of approach on our part when it comes to opposing state power among the Minmatar.
That is, I am saying that at the moment it seems possible to talk to Minmatar quite reasonably on these issues, and therefore it is rather churlish and indeed counter to our principles to employ violence where no violence is required.
I understand that a twisted definition of hypocrisy, where it is hypocritical to use violence against freedom-violators who will not enter rational discourse, while at the same time we refuse to use violence against non-violators who talk with us about avoiding possible future violations, will be thrown at us now. It is about that time. I fear we will have to shoulder that burden and continue as usual.
The Cosmopolite
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Raven Lansfear
Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum
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Posted - 2009.01.31 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jodie Amille It's a waste of money in all honesty. SF are no different than the Minmatar militia, then go for ganks and run very swiftly from even fights.
You're maybe right Jodie, but that doesn't matter ! The fact is here, Star Fraction support Minmatar Republic !
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Despite all, the fact remains that the Star Fraction does not support the Minmatar Republic or the Shakor government. We don't support states and governments
Your words make me smile, you don't support states and governments ? Many time your try to defeat the Amarr Militia in association with matari rebels.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
A number of them have no great yen for the Republic
That's not an excuse, they fight for the republic, your help them, you help the republic ! So ... cope your act !
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.31 06:01:00 -
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Calm down, my dear. Really, with all these exclamations you run a real risk of bursting something vital.
Originally by: Raven Lansfear
Your words make me smile, you don't support states and governments ? Many time your try to defeat the Amarr Militia in association with matari rebels.
Many times we have indeed defeated Amarr militia while 'Matari rebels' have been on hand. On occasion we have defeated Amarr militia while outlaws and others have been seen to play a laser or two over loyalist hulls. In neither case is support implied for anything other than a shared desire to see Amarrian paramilitary hulls burn.
It is a simple enough point: opposing the enemies of one party does not necessarily imply support for that party.
In our case, opposing the enemies of the Minmatar Republic, something we happen to have done for years past not because they are foes of that polity but rather because they are usually our foes too, does not in any way imply support for the Republic or its government.
You may as well claim that we are supporters of this or that rogue drone nexus in the 'Drone Regions' because we have enemies among the capsuleer alliances in that part of space.
Or more generally, you might as well say that we are supporters of every corporation, alliance and entity we consider neutral that has been trespassed against by any corporation, alliance or entity we currently consider hostile and valid targets.
That is surely an absurd nonsense. But it is the logical corollary of what you claim.
Let us bring it down to hard reality though and eschew the logic chopping for once.
You Amarrian paramilitaries and the evil theocratic state you serve are our enemies. We recognise you as deadly foes with which there is apparently no compromise. We make no apology for that and we strive to do our utmost to hinder you, defeat you and, if necessary, destroy you.
The Minmatar capsuleer militia, with occasional exceptions, are people who are willing to enter into a dialogue. They are largely aware of our philosophy and do not react by reaching for their autocannons. I am bound to say that, while we disagree with them on many issues, we rarely feel that violence is the necessary conclusion of our disagreements with Minmatar freedom fighters and independent militia pilots. They are not enemies and their words and actions are not those of people twisted by a vile doctrine of power-worship and tyranny.
The irony is that were we to treat them in the same manner as we must treat our foes in the Amarr militia and among other Amarrian paramilitary formations then we would indeed by shown as hypocrites motivated by bloodlust and a desire to maximise chaos and destruction. To the contrary, our actions in this regard demonstrate that we do, in fact, practice what we preach.
The Cosmopolite
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Duty.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 10:58:00 -
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The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. Nothing more, nothing less. It implies nothing and conveys no entitlements. The enemy of an enemy could indeed become your friend, but the onus is upon you to make that possibility a fact, not the laws of nature. Oftentimes you will see two very different forces co-operating to defeat a common foe, but just as often you will see them turn on each other when there is no longer a shared interest. Likewise, it is often the case that even in the face of a mutual enemy, people will continue to fight with each other.
For instance, both I and PIE Inc. have a very well-known disdain for the Sanshas, but I highly doubt you'll ever see us co-operating to get rid of them. Conversely, while the Star Fraction and the TLF currently have a shared interest (toppling the Amarr Empire, a cause which I wholeheartedly support) and often act upon it in concert, it implies nothing about their actual feelings towards each other - in point of fact, I would hazard a guess that each sees the other as altruistic but misguided at best, and a potential liability at worst.
Still, it is a sure sign that your enemy is unsettled when they begin questioning your choice of allies. Good luck to the TLF and the Star Fraction. |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite It is a simple enough point: opposing the enemies of one party does not necessarily imply support for that party.
I have to agree with The Cosmopolite here. Even though his action do directly support the Matari rebels, this is not his intention at all. In fact, I would wager that if the Minmatar Republic would be in ascension and Shakor announced the annexation of the Amarr Empire, his guns could suddenly point towards the other direction. Attention from Star Fraction is a measure of the Empire's success.
Besides the philosophical inclination of the Star Fraction to fight the Empire, there is also the case of a personal grudge by its CEO and leader, Jade Constantine. This plays no small role in the selection of war targets, even if they go contrary to the public Star Fraction philosophy.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite They are not enemies and their words and actions are not those of people twisted by a vile doctrine of power-worship and tyranny.
Ah, I think the astute reader who has visited the intergalactic summit for some time would have no trouble recognizing Jade Constantine, the Star Fraction leader, as a power-worshipper and tyrant pur sang. How about that for irony, mr. Cosmopolite?
Perhaps it is time for a violent internal revolution within the Star Fraction where you overthrow ms. Constantine on behalf of being twisted and evil by power-worship? After all, considering your earlier statements and general SF philosopy, it is likely that you do not support her, but merely appear to support her because you both share the same goals at this time? |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Duty.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 11:42:00 -
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I have to admit, Merdaneth, the thought of a Star Fraction under the rule of The Cosmopolite is more than agreeable to me. ----- Andreus Ixiris Duty. |
Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.31 13:37:00 -
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It's fairly simple. The greatest threat to the individual liberty of one Matari is currently the same as the greatest threat to the Matari people - be they Thukker or Republican - as a whole. And that threat is the practice of slavery.
Issues of government oppression or the perception of it, are things we can take up later, once everyone gets to pick where they live, who they work for, who they sleep with, whether or not they have children, and so forth.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.01.31 16:28:00 -
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Not that I'm bloodlusty or something but has the Starfraction a board up somewhere, so the political interested and forward aligned capsuleer can track the disintegration of the Sisters organization? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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