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Kira Kasumi
Maxime Prosunt
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:53:00 -
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Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. |
Riyal
Chode Extravaganza
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:57:00 -
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Because fun is all about logic? |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:57:00 -
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Not when you see it as some kind of market manipulation everyone can cash in on! Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Darth A30NZ
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:58:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
This just in...
"Eve is Illogical"
Moar on this at eleven. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=796969&#post796969 |
Kira Kasumi
Maxime Prosunt
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:59:00 -
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guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:00:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
You're missing the point and like everything else in eve, I doubt anyone will tell you how\why |
Darth A30NZ
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
497
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:02:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
This just in...
Pilots in New Eden do random things that are illogical.
Moar on this at eleven.
if you can't wait till 11 you can always watch New Eden Spotlight for random capsular violence anytime. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=796969&#post796969 |
xanaxred
Black Moon Citadel The House Of Cards.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:02:00 -
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Hulkageddon seems unorganized....
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:03:00 -
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No it isn't illogical. Not everyone who participates in it complains about the prices. The event itself also doesn't affect the market all that much, so the prices are what they are regardless of hulkageddon. There are simply bigger factors, that determine the price levels and compared to them hulkageddon is just a minor bump in the road. The event is also fun for the players taking part in it, which is the entire point of playing a game, so no matter what your views on the rising prices are it makes perfect sense to take part. |
BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:03:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
You attempt to assign logic to a group and process that don't understand the meaning of the word.
The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC.
They only have a single focus; to ruin the game for as many as possible.
Their highest achievement is the rage-quit. They consider this the pinnacle of success.
These are no secrets. They have openly bragged as much, and continue to do so at every opportunity.
Once they finally manage to kill this game, they, like the invaders portrayed in the movie Independence Day, will simply move on to the next game that catches their attention, rinse and repeat.
There is no logic in this, so stop looking for it.
The best thing you *CAN* do is to ignore them.
Refuse to play the game their way. The greatest feature of EvE is that nobody can really dictate your gameplay; that only happens if you fall for the ruses and traps.
Just ignore them.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:07:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. Oh, well, if you don't understand the appeal behind it, then it's obviously not appealing. I guess you cleared up some things for us, that we weren't entirely sure about.
Alright guys, Hulkageddon is canceled. Go home to your children/wives/child-wives/realdolls.
BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC. Actually, we buy our stuff with the ISK we make from killing, ransoming, and extorting other players out of their hard-earned income. We spend ISK to buy PLEXes, not the other way around. The ones who spend real-life cash on in-game money are usually the bears who put all their eggs in one basket.
You were surprisingly spot-on about everything else you said though, so I give you props for that. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:07:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
You imply that those who gank hulks in highsec don't profit from it. Since all you need is a catalyst and the boost for player ship salvage, you will turn a profit on every gank. Every now and then you hit a jackpot. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:08:00 -
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The above poster is a numpty, i know plenty of people who take part in hulkageddon and also kill hulks themselves for the sole reason of market manipulation and to drive up the costs for both Hulks and minerals..
Those of us with enough smarts to be buying up Hulk BPC's making them and selling them are they ones that are winning at eve.
We made about 800misk from killing hulks one week.. Our ships in total cost less than 100misk.. So dunno where your coming out with the not profiteering from it. |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:09:00 -
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xanaxred wrote:Hulkageddon seems unorganized....
Yes, why cant this so called "event" be better organized. I'm sick of sifting through #tweetfleet looking for more info about Hulkageddon. I hate twitter! |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:15:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. You imply that those who gank hulks in highsec don't profit from it. Since all you need is a catalyst and the boost for player ship salvage, you will turn a profit on every gank. Every now and then you hit a jackpot.
Jackpot would be if it dropped, you had a glimpse of a possible small valued module, and ffs, 45mil is hardly a jackpot... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:16:00 -
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It's very logical. I am making money off it before it even started. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:17:00 -
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FYI Goons never stated they'd kill the game, they'd kill your game.
Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
Its logical if you have made a not so wild assumption that the mineral price increase is down because people are buying up the minerals and then selling them back to the market at ever inflated price. Currently all those minerals are sitting in Jita being trickled back into the market to make massive profits, with huge stashes saved up to sell now the prices is massively increased.
Hulkageddon is about fun but also about making a massive profit of people through deliberate market manipulation mixed with a steady drop on mineral supplies.
Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3410
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:20:00 -
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BellaDonna Nyghtshade wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. You attempt to assign logic to a group and process that don't understand the meaning of the word. The people behind this have no interest in the market; they buy their ships/etc with real life monies in the form of Plex and GTC. They only have a single focus; to ruin the game for as many as possible. Their highest achievement is the rage-quit. They consider this the pinnacle of success. These are no secrets. They have openly bragged as much, and continue to do so at every opportunity. Once they finally manage to kill this game, they, like the invaders portrayed in the movie Independence Day, will simply move on to the next game that catches their attention, rinse and repeat. There is no logic in this, so stop looking for it. The best thing you *CAN* do is to ignore them. Refuse to play the game their way. The greatest feature of EvE is that nobody can really dictate your gameplay; that only happens if you fall for the ruses and traps. Just ignore them.
You know what the WORST thing about them is?
They make wild inaccurate and self-serving generalisations. All of them! All the time! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:20:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. It's probably too late for the latter, to be honest. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:21:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:FYI Goons never stated they'd kill the game, they'd kill your game. Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again. Its logical if you have made a not so wild assumption that the mineral price increase is down because people are buying up the minerals and then selling them back to the market at ever inflated price. Currently all those minerals are sitting in Jita being trickled back into the market to make massive profits, with huge stashes saved up to sell now the prices is massively increased. Hulkageddon is about fun but also about making a massive profit of people through deliberate market manipulation mixed with a steady drop on mineral supplies. Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest.
^^ This guy gets it!
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Ravan Hekki
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:24:00 -
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Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:34:00 -
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Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales.
Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that? |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
84
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:35:00 -
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Sandra Vellocet wrote:Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that?
24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently). |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:36:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Sandra Vellocet wrote:Ravan Hekki wrote:Yeah all those miners should be jumping with glee! Go mine like crazy for a few weeks and then stop for Hulkageddon. About half way through sell your minerals - make money. Really its almost worth stock piling your minerals for a year and wait toll the 'geggen comes round. I certainly am hoping to profit from a combination of destroyer/hulk and mineral sales. Ok, fair point. give me an exact date that hulkageddon will start and I will do that... can you/anyone do that? 24th of April right after Jita gets burned to the ground (apparently).
Thank you (hope your right)
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
514
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:41:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:Is it just me or does having a Hulkageddon in the current market seem very illogical? on one hand players are complaning about the rising prices of ships and moduels because of the increason minerals prices.
but at the same time they are going out of their way to try and limite the supply of minerals even further buy killing the very ppl that could held drive the price back down where paying for pvp becomes resonable again.
Or on the other side of the coin they've planned it to be exactly at that point straight after the gunmining nerf and Jita burn when mineral prices are expected to spike upward as people live off their depleting reserves.
The logical response would be to go out and mine, the logical counter would be host Hulkageddon right there and then for maximum tears/exposure/internets fame and attentions. The latter of which certain people seem to constantly be whoring themselves out for.
So dock your barges, take a couple of weeks off, scout out your new mining homes and plan for your large scale post HG ops where you can cash in on the mineral prices. Laugh at the idiots who didn't listen and got their shiny barges blown up by Thrasher fleets and be safe knowing some guys are roaming around frustrated they didn't get to harvest your tears*.
To answer your question, yes, it's very logical from their perspective.
*No really, the amount of tears Carebears can harvest by denying people kills is extraordinary. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:04:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Best thing to do right now is get a mining barge or invest. It's probably too late for the latter, to be honest.
There is still time to make a quick buck. If you invest a few billion today in buy orders, you'll probably make a profit when you sell it all back tomorrow in sell orders.
What I'm curious about is when it becomes profitable to buy up items to reprocess to sell them back to the market as minerals. |
Justice Comes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:05:00 -
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I shall now explain it in one sentence: The people doing the killing are not the people that care about cheap prices on ships, etc. Google Chrome could not load the webpage because forums.eveonline.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:11:00 -
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Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it.
without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
then go play WoW |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:15:00 -
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In a world full of pirates robbing each other every second it's completely logical to remove the farmers sowing the seeds and harvesting the crops, 'cause it's so cool to hate them.
I hope I am around to see the last hulk burned by laser fire, only to notice people starting to mine in frigates and battleships again. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
515
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:19:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Kira Kasumi wrote:guess i just dont see it as that fun to kill stuff without any risk, if that's what i wanted i would play modern warfare or some other mindless nonrisk pvp game.
but yeah i dont really care im only profiting on it. i just dont understand the appeal for the pilots doing it. without risk lol, we have CONCORD that will kill the gamkers if they commit a "crime"
Let's be fair, losing a cheap Thrasher is hardly a risk when you're bringing down a ship that's 100x in cost. People would be less inclined to suicidegank hulks if they required any major investment. Enjoy your gaming.
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