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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:40:00 -
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Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is . but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are. I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules , You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
My corporation has currently arround 50 some members and non of them are pro war , im wondering how many players are arround eve with the same objective. Just having fun and get disconnected from the daily activities , after all its just a game , nothing else.
So , thats what i have to say regarding this matter , If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
I hope that this its red by any CCP people , and try to work on it so we can all enjoy eve , after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game and most of the people who plays it , its arround 30 or more years old with families and real life problems , and it is a shame that the only time we have to relax and disconnect from real life its been sabotaged by this useless game mechanics.
I excuse myself for my bad english , not my mother tongue.
Aleiceland CEO THE WARP RATS
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Leaving Eve
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:42:00 -
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Hi, I'm leaving eve.
I'm sure you'll know know how I feel in time. |
Saedis Myst
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Saedis Myst on 30/01/2009 19:51:05 I certanly hope not to feel like you , as I sayed , I love playing this game.
One suggestion i have its simple and i dont think its hard to apply on the game.
Make Corporations unable to declare war to corporations who never declared war to any other corporation.
Cant get simple and effective as that . This is my alt by the way.
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Kirzath
Amarr Sinister Elite
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game
Yes it is. |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:55:00 -
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Grief war decs are common. Particularly among newer corps.
Sadly the best way to deal with them is to just turtle up inside a station for a week and bore them to death. It costs them money to war dec and eventually they figure out you are no fun. In the meantime use ALTs in NPC corps to go about doing whatever it is you like in EVE.
If you go out to fight them that generally pleases them. If you do fight be overwhelmingly good so they are dying all the time and your guys never are (bottle them up in a station). They'll leave well enough alone if that is the case. Generally these are 1-2 man corps and you barely ever see them in space anyway. Some will fight though.
If you pay them off you just encourage them so don't.
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is .
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are.
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules ,
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
CAREBEAR ALERT!
Originally by: Aleiceland It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
CAREBEAR OVERLOAD! STOPPED READING ABOUT HERE...
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:09:00 -
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Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Scarlet Pimpdaddy on 30/01/2009 20:12:29
Originally by: Aleiceland
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
It is this sort of carebear whining that makes EVE that little bit less fun to play when CCP tries to accommodate for their wishes ('cause let's face it they wanna keep us all happy, or at least most of us). The logical conclusion of an EVE run by carebears is basically an ISK making game where no PvP is done at all. War dec's are a valid part of EVE as nowhere in this dark universe should be safe. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear off the bat. |
kor anon
Amarr The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Scarlet Pimpdaddy , i have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.
You say life (space) sim but when do you see overlords in RL that stop people from attacking you. Eve is a PVP centric game, prepared to be attacked. There are no 100% SAFE places, deal with it |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 30/01/2009 20:16:28
Originally by: Aleiceland Imperator , i believe you are right , ive been through another war before and we deal with it that way , but it cost us members and money (not been produced) also to us , not to mention fun time . unfortunally the only solution we have now its the one you mentioned.
Meh...good riddance to the ones who bail when things get a little annoying. Your corp is stronger with the members that remain and stick it out with you...even if you become a corp of 1 person.
Depending what you do you can get on fine during a war dec. We used to get them but our mains were a production corp. All we needed was deliveries of mats which were easily achieved using ALT haulers in NPC corps. Till the war decs were off we'd just use our ALTs to go do whatever. Not as ideal as your mains of course but relieves the boredom enough to get through a week or two till the war deccer moves on.
In our case they never, ever saw a one of us in space (well...one got me once and a corpmate fought a different one to a stalemate another time but the vast majority of the time they just never saw us at all).
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:20:00 -
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Scarlet Pimpdaddy, the idea of a simulator its to have the free will to choose your own path , thats why corporations are here for , nothing else , you achieve what you want and the people you share that belive within the corporation.
If a corporation choose the peace path , why you should think that they only way on eve , its war. , it makes no sens , i dont know how long youve been playing this game , but i certanly can tell you , that youre mistaken.
tolerance and the hability to coexist between war and peace , its what a simulator its about . otherwise , we all go play Call of duty m8.
and i certanly hope you are right about ccp taking hand on this matter and if you dont like it , Call of duty , Space invaders , or whatever other pew pew game you think it fits you the bets.
if you dont learn to coexists , you are not prepared to play eve m8 , i mean no offence with this.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:26:00 -
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Dear OP.....
You consent to PVP the moment you select a character at login. That pvp may come in the form of pewpew, local smack, market pvp, some one stealing your ore, or someone out socially engineering you out of isk and/or assests.
If you dont like that, I suggest you find a different game to play.
Myself I am a "carebear", but I realise at the drop of a hat, my whole world can be turned upside down by any random stranger. You know what, it is that uncertantiy about what might happen next that keeps me in love with this game, and playing religiously. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation.
No it isn't. Just hire someone else to fight for you. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:45:00 -
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Tippia That is still violence. no diff with what i sayed.
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Anferney
Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:45:00 -
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To the OP and people whining about war dec's:
There is a simple solution to your war dec woes. It cures boredom, doesn't cost a lot of isk and will probably make future war deccer's think twice about deccing you. THis solution is to use tech 1 frigates. Fit them cheap and have some fun empire pvp. You will lose a lot of ships. A while lot. But the people deccing you are more than liking using much more expensive ships so even if you kill just 1 of their ships, you have probably cost them more isk than they have cost you. You will get to have fun, the people that war decced you will either regret it or enjoy the fight and have respect for you and so you win either way.
Another option is to hire mercs to attack the war deccer's, but that sounds not nearly as interesting to me. Here it is. Isn't it unique? |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:49:00 -
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@ Op: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Play hello kitty online, or is that too hardcore for you?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Tippia That is still violence. no diff with what i sayed.
The difference is huge: you don't fight — you just keep doing your thing under the protection of your hired guards.
You want a game without violence? Don't play a PvP game. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:52:00 -
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Lothros . grow up m8 , this threath its of general talk , not meaninless comments , if you dont have anything intelligent to say , please , dont post . just read and watch diff opinions regarding the game with people who really understand what this post its about ok? you may learn something .
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland ...thats why corporations are here for , nothing else , you achieve what you want and the people you share that belive within the corporation.
This is where you've made your first mistake. While your Corporation may be peaceful, others may not be, and who says you have the right to impose your will upon them?
You're trying to say that every Corporation should have the option to say "no" to fighting in a war, and that's just not an available solution.
Personally, I believe you're probably really just looking for people to declare war on you, and trying to make us all think you're just a sad little corp of newbies.
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Aleiceland
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:56:00 -
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Tchell Dahhn why do i need to post to get war dec upon , i have eve for that. and if thats the case , this forum has no point then but to serve grifers.
in the other hand , my corporation its a fully running democracy . i do not imposse any rules or regulations , we dont like war , thats all. and we all share that view , otherwiser , you can join any other eve corporation wich supports that . arround 99% of them. we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Lothros . grow up m8 , this threath its of general talk , not meaninless comments , if you dont have anything intelligent to say , please , dont post . just read and watch diff opinions regarding the game with people who really understand what this post its about ok? you may learn something .
You're the one that posted flamebait on a PvP game's forum.
You Buddhist or something? Those that ignore the fact of war will only be destroyed by it.
Some Mercs you can hire will even join your corp and teach you PvP, so you can stop being scared of it.
But really what I think is:
Quote: Personally, I believe you're probably really just looking for people to declare war on you, and trying to make us all think you're just a sad little corp of newbies.
This.
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Anferney
Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Tchell Dahhn why do i need to post to get war dec upon , i have eve for that. and if thats the case , this forum has no point then but to serve grifers.
in the other hand , my corporation its a fully running democracy . i do not imposse any rules or regulations , we dont like war , thats all. and we all share that view , otherwiser , you can join any other eve corporation wich supports that . arround 99% of them. we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
Your corporation is doomed if it cannot defend itself or find someone to defend them. Think of it not as corporations but as nations. If a defenseless nation with no one willing to defend it is surrounded by nations that can defend themselves and can attack each other. What do you think will happen tot he defenseless nation that even refuses to fight for its territory? It will get eaten alive. Your corp is not demonstrating a more "eve-volved way," but a very idiotic way. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland
we have a more eve-volved way of seen things... thats why my corporation its about.
You keep saying how you are playing EVE the correct way and others are not.
I don't think you get EVE. Trying reading the FAQ sometime. |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:05:00 -
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I suggest to the OP that the answer is to understand what your wants, and deny it to them.
Empire griefer corps seek out other corps that offer an abundance of easy targets, so that they can pad their killboard and validate their e-peen. Your task is to deny them their chosen method of enjoying EVE, much as their are seeking to deny you your chosen method of enjoying EVE.
One way to do this is to fight back, either personally or by mercenary proxy, as suggested by others. This only works if you do so decisively, though. They are simply looking for fights, so if you fight them and lose ships, they win. You need to beat them down decisively and in a manner that is not in the slightest amusing to them; blob them, gank them, never give them easy targets that aren't bait for a blob ever. Of course, this doesn't work well with your goal to be peaceful.
Another option is to simply not fight them. Always watch local like a hawk, and if you see them in local, dock (or cloak) immediately. If you need to travel somewhere, fly stabbed frigates (better yet, interceptors). If you need to move a larger ship, mount stabs (note that with hictors, this is still not entirely safe), and fly a scout (stabbed frigate) ahead of the ship to check on the safety of gates. Instead of logging off, leave your character logged in at a station. Try to log on as early a possible after DT and leave yourself logged in all day.
Either of these options will generate truly gargantuan amounts of smack in local; ignore it and continue on your task. This is very important: don't respond to their inevitable smack in kind. At the very least, remain calm and respond little; better yet don't respond at all. Smack is an expression of frustration. Hearing it from them means you are doing your job well. Giving it to them encourages their e-peen and makes the war last longer.
None of this really very fun, by the way; at best it's satisfying knowing that you are annoying them as much as they are annoying you. Eventually, you are likely to come to the conclusion that your corporation has grown to the point that not only you have the skills and assets to take on the latest griefer corp, but your corp wants to take them on. Dealing with griefers on their own terms becomes more entertaining then.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
If I read correctly, you seem to believe that EvE is a "space life simulator", and as such, I have to ask you - how many space movies or TV shows have you ever watched that do not have some type of conflict between those who inhabit said space?
Star Trek, Star Wars (hmm!), Babylon 5, Firefly/Serenity, Space 1999... Every single one of these shows had some degree of conflict, and to strip that from a game such as EvE would be wrong, and would go against what I think you're trying to say.
Believe me - when I first started my Corporation, I wasn't interested in other Corporations declaring war on us, because I hated the thought of losing Members.
I quickly accepted that it's a way of life, and a major part of the game. You evolve, you learn, you play, and you accept what you have here. If it's not working out, then perhaps this game isn't what you're looking for, after all.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:20:00 -
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Solutions Fight back. Buy a dozen T1 ships (frigates will do,) gather your members every night and go out hunting.
Hire mercenaries. Some are quite cheap, others might even agree to help you for free.
Relocate. EVE is a large place. Using jump-clones it is easy to maintain more than one "place of business." If you move away temporarily, odds are that any casual agressor will give up wthin a week or two.
Disband. Shut down your corporation, move the assets to a new corporation. Please keep in mind, that repeatedly doing so is arguably a violation of "the rules."
Join an alliance. When a corporation joins an alliance, any current wars are subject to change (they have to be re-declare vs. the alliance instead.) You also ain the protection of a larger entity.
Conclusion As someone who has played since the game came out, I have seen around a thousand posts of this type. The advice people give is always the same. EVE is a harsh place. You must stand and fight. There are no safe zones, no places of harmony and tranquil peace. Undocking inevitably results in conflict and death.
All successful crporations have one thing in common - they know how to protect themselves.
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Soporo
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:21:00 -
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Peacefull corps can thrive and have few worries, as long as they have isk (to hire mercs), know wardec mechanics, and arent stupid (dont haul, mine, or mission during wartime, period).
War decs, from what I understand, get more expensive depending on the amount of decs the target corp has on it. Use your imagination and figure out an easy way to raise the cost of anyone else deccing your corp. Cheesy I know but hey, so is deccing n00bs and rookies.
Beyond that, get everyone to roll up a trial account or play on alts for a week. Create and Invite everyone to a channel so you can chat, and have fun. Other alternative is to corp jump until they get tired of it (not recommended).
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Hana Lena
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aleiceland Ive got to say I love eve , ive been playing it for a few months now and it never stops to amaze me how well developed the game is . but....theres always a but . It is impossible in the way that this game its concieved to be a peaceful corporation. my corporation its been arround and growing in numbers very well , but we always get molested by griefers corporations who wants to take advantage of newbies like we are. I believe they should be a major change in this game regarding WAR DECLARATION , theres absolutely no control or rules , You will be amazed how many people play this game without the intention to go to war so i think they voice its not bein heard .
It should be some kind of rules regarding this matter and fast .
My corporation has currently arround 50 some members and non of them are pro war , im wondering how many players are arround eve with the same objective. Just having fun and get disconnected from the daily activities , after all its just a game , nothing else.
So , thats what i have to say regarding this matter , If EVE tries to be a Space life simulator , wich i think thats the major aim. CCP should really take in serius considaration this problem. becouse im hearing over and over as a CEO the complains of people who dont want to be involved on wars and talk about abandon the game because of this.
I hope that this its red by any CCP people , and try to work on it so we can all enjoy eve , after all this is not a FPS or a pew pew game and most of the people who plays it , its arround 30 or more years old with families and real life problems , and it is a shame that the only time we have to relax and disconnect from real life its been sabotaged by this useless game mechanics.
I excuse myself for my bad english , not my mother tongue.
Aleiceland CEO THE WARP RATS
Look mate this here theres no way aroud it there are people out there that just want to KILL YOU for one (and or more) reasons like killing you and including but not limited to killing you. the only thing I can sugest is to disband your corp hide in NPC corps and use the same chat channel.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING!
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:27:00 -
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this is a pvp game and there are only but a few simple rules which will stead you through you eve life here
1. never trust anyone
2. adapt
you are being attacked so adapt and learn
This week EvE Life: Fleet fighting blog is now available
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Apoctasy
Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:30:00 -
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Wardecs are working as intended. With 50 people in your corp you've got three options:
A.) Pool money and hire mercenaries in your defense.
B.) Hide/run until your wardec is over. Bore them to death.
C.) Disband.
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