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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:39:00 -
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Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to.
We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA.
Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you.
The DUST 514 Development Team CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Maudrid
Exitus Vulnero Eminor
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:01:00 -
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Your NDA link is dead. |
malaire
366
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:02:00 -
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Maudrid wrote:Your NDA link is dead. It works after you remove "+" from end of it, which seems to be added by these Awesome Forums (tm).
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
17
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:08:00 -
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http://dust.ccpgamescdn.com/Dust514/client-text/NDA.txt |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
798
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:09:00 -
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Don't give the beta keys out to goons next time. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
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Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
47
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:12:00 -
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@CCP Navigator the following youtube videos should be reported/removed http://youtu.be/3V6kF8Kxj2Q http://youtu.be/DtaDlSSxC9U http://youtu.be/qpOIeURAyaM http://youtu.be/Db3OyH_KF5c
Alternatively just go to youtube search dust 514 and sort by most recent uploaded Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
azreal j
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:16:00 -
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Vihura
Vihura Cor
17
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:18:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to. We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA. Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you. The DUST 514 Development Team This is only your fault, giving beta key for random people who even don't know what dust 514 is or apply for it ....fail.. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:18:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Don't give the beta keys out to goons next time. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Actually, I think the bigger fear should have been the piles of bloggers (or news sites that might as well be blogs) who were given press passes as well as beta keys. |
azreal j
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:22:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to. We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA. Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you. The DUST 514 Development Team
i never even got chance to enter the beta it kept saying it was closed but also thanks for trading you dev pass at fanfest navigator
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:24:00 -
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azreal j wrote:never even got chance to enter the beta website keeps saying its closed.
Yeah, the people with Beta access right now were not the Fan Fest people. That will open in the "next week or so" based on this: http://www.dust514.org/home/item/first-wave-of-dust-514-beta-keys-rolling-out |
Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
48
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:40:00 -
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Vihura wrote: This is only your fault, giving beta key for random people who even don't know what dust 514 is or apply for it ....fail..
The beta invite to those PSN people must not have had the "NDA WARNING: WE WILL BAN YOUR ASS" text big enough.....
Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Kobal81
Awesome Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:45:00 -
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Maybe next time don't hand out beta keys to media bloggers, and give them to the REAL player base. |
Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:59:00 -
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Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
WTB : An image in my signature |
Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
49
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:10:00 -
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@CCP Navigator You guys need to hop on those youtube videos, I'm already seeing a russian mirror pop up on twitter Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Amy Garzan
Department of Defence Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:47:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
HEAR HEAR!!! |
Drazi Crendraven
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:00:00 -
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Yes, those who signed up for DUST 514: MorduGÇÖs Private Trials would like a beta key. |
Karim alRashid
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:17:00 -
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Devs high as fukk, talking about NDAs and shite. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
75
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:26:00 -
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You can tell the NDA is very important because 8 people have looked at the videos. Dead before it drew it's first breath. |
gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:34:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Recently, there has been a spate of instances where individuals participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta have breached their NDA. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that as part of the DUST 514 Closed Beta, accepting and adhering to the NDA is a legally binding requirement that all DUST 514 Closed Beta participants have agreed to. We understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for DUST 514. After all, it isnGÇÖt every day that one has the opportunity to participate in a ground breaking event that bridges two gaming platforms to create a new MMO genre. However, it is equally important that everyone follow the terms and conditions of the NDA so that we may protect the integrity of the DUST 514 Closed Beta testing phase. If you are not familiar with or do not recall the NDA, hereGÇÖs the link to the on-line location of the NDA. Going forward, we will continue to enforce the NDA to its fullest measure and any Closed Beta participants found in breach of the NDA will receive a permanent ban on their DUST 514 account(s), without exceptions. We realize and value the time and efforts from all of you participating in the DUST 514 Closed Beta to make DUST 514 a great MMO experience to the world and we wish to see all of you continue to contribute in this regard. Thank you. The DUST 514 Development Team
you got a damn cheek .... most the people in the fooking beta are not even eve players .... i got my beta key from fanfest and still cant use it on the damn site.
so take this up with your sony overlords.
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gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:35:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
well said sir .... well said ! |
Jonak
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:37:00 -
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That's the thing about Sony betas. They seem to be sent out randomly. There are probably people getting keys that have no interest in the game and don't even know what Eve Online is. This happens with a lot of their betas. Sometimes you need to be a Plus member. Sometimes a Qore member. Sometimes the beta, depending on the game, is just in the store for everyone. |
Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
49
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:44:00 -
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Jonak wrote:That's the thing about Sony betas. They seem to be sent out randomly. There are probably people getting keys that have no interest in the game and don't even know what Eve Online is. This happens with a lot of their betas. Sometimes you need to be a Plus member. Sometimes a Qore member. Sometimes the beta, depending on the game, is just in the store for everyone.
OK so now im curious how many of the 5000 players will actually be interested .... and if its significantly less than 5000 how is this supposed to be a "stress test".... Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Jonak
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:50:00 -
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It probably won't. Maybe some will give their keys away. Other will try it for a minute and move on, like me. But only because I can't play FPS for too long. Some will ignore it completely. |
Celeste Illinar
6th Armored Division
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:19:00 -
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I've written and rewritten this like a dozen times cause I'm ragin so hard!
Seriously CCP, get a grip on your product!
I'd be surprised if even half those people who were randomly assigned keys even bothered to read the NDA.
And I agree with the sentiments of previous posts... lambasting the rest of us for your breaches is salt in the wound.
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Falkor Jensin
The Strategic Response Unit Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:31:00 -
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I signed up for the Dust 515 Beta testing having an active account from the starting date of 6-03-2003 mite help me but I guess not lol, God i hope it is as fun as it looks! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
285
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:50:00 -
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Just as well that I couldn't give two ***** about DUST, and never will...Oh, well.
And, Sony:
Lol. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Stephan King
Seraphim Initiative
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:00:00 -
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I would have to agree with the collective sentiment here. I'm not one to complain but I have been registered for the MPT since December 26 and have been a paying player since July of 2007. I have to admit, I feel like i've been left hanging, and from what i am seeing I'm not the only one who feels this way. I thought the theme of fanfest this year was about putting the player base first? |
UnknownHuman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:38:00 -
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Navigator...
Sorry m8 but you got the wrong forum. This is Eve Online; not Dust 514.
And I think it is safe to say that your beta testers on the SONY network don't come on here to read about the NDA agreement.
Better to have given it to Eve players first so you could have linked it to their eve account and brought much more meaningful consequences. lol
Just food for thought.
-Unk |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
115
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:46:00 -
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ITT: WAAAAAA I'M AN EVE PLAYER WAAAAAAA THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILIGES WAAAAAAAA
Grow the hell up, the lot of you. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Din Tempre
Raven's Flight Vanguard.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:58:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:ITT: WAAAAAA I'M AN EVE PLAYER WAAAAAAA THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILIGES WAAAAAAAA
Grow the hell up, the lot of you.
A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years. It's just the frustration of luck trumping effort to see the game first. The cynic would reply that's why it doesn't matter if we get in the beta since we'll jump in anyway. But there is also something to be said of wanting perks for loyalty. |
Mixx
Endless Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:00:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
Very well said sir!
Some people are whining about "should get special treatment" but that's not the point here.
The point is that you CCP care so much about what you produce, as we the players care so much about how you shape our sandbox (Last year more than proved that as talked about greatly at FF).
Having invaluable feedback and real testing can have a huge positive effect on a development, game or otherwise, letting Sony add a mass hoard of anyone is not going to help the cause.
I'm sure there were politics involved, but it could have been handled much better. Why could the MPT sign-ups and FF people not be included in the 5000? If Sony did not care who got in.
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Jaiimez Skor
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:02:00 -
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I can completely understand the attitude some of the players have, I too would feel insulted to be given this warning of breaking NDA for a game that I havn't even been given access too, given I don't own a PS3 I havn't been able to apply for the Beta of DUST 514, but if I was in their position I would probably feel the same knowing they're being told off for breaking an NDA for a beta they don't even have access to currently. |
Din Tempre
Raven's Flight Vanguard.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:06:00 -
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Also, the NDA explicitly allows sharing what is already known. Since this is the same build that was displayed at fan fest, a vast majority of the videos so far feature legal content. Not saying I don't get the spirit, but perhaps this is overreaction. |
Robbie Robot
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
7
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:12:00 -
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CCP, release a patch that requires the user to pass a test that tests whether they read the NDA. Van Halen had the wits to specify in the middle of his contract with promoters that there should be no brown M&M's. Why you might ask? Because it was then easy for him to check the table for brown M&M's to see if they really read the contract. You can even read this very trustworthy link where Van Halen states the consequences of what happens when people don't read the contract.
http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.asp |
chadwill
Goldtooth of stellar enterprices
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:28:00 -
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wut?
closed beta startet allready?
http://www.dust514.com/en/redeem/
says soon.. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:33:00 -
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Please Ban them and give the keys to those that are mature enough to do what they agree to. I am available |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:00:00 -
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Noobs! MMO companies give bloggers beta keys as a legal maneuver to shut them up until the beta is done...and official release has occurred.
Once a blogger registers or uses his beta key, for all practical purposes he/she cannot say anything about the game that is not official CCP press release, no matter where he got the info or it is just his opinion. Quite often it legally ties up any soapbox organization they work for as well unless special "white room" measures are made to prove they didn't talk to anyone else in their organization. Most even semi-professional bloggers know that.
And its no surprise NDA is not highly read. Its two most common purposes are obvious public knowledge: protect new technology until patented and protect Public Relations status of game by not talking about any problems technical or personal. (Closed beta is rare occasion where you may get to talk direct to certain programmers with big egos and without social skills). Some NDA go as far as to prohibit publication of beta problems and evolutions forever to keep reputations pristine (we never did stupid stuff and have no asshats working here).
The one thing occasionally shows up that people may be ignorant about and which not every NDA carries is: Clauses that say
*** BETA Players are not to discuss game play issues with other BETA players.***
Why? Its like jury duty. The MMO is trying to prevent group think and influential players from altering your own first impressions of game in order to get valid statistics on problems and liked features.
Too lazy to read DUST514 NDA to see if that is there. But I would not be surprised if this was in fact the big issue CCP is scolding people about. CCP should probably just say - except they probably got too clever in NDA wording and would violate and invalidate their own NDA if they publicly got that specific.
[The most silly restrictive NDAs prohibit discussing or publishing the NDA itself in public (the actual NDA has a preliminary NDA about its own terms). Fortunately it doesn't seem CCP is quite that insanely obsessive.] |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3218
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:20:00 -
[39] - Quote
*hopes for the open beta soon*!!
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
18
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:24:00 -
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Sigh. Maybe you could .. * Read the NDA before you make a Wall of Text about it * Take a few minutes to read numerous statements by CCP that this is still a closed beta * Read the original post by Navigator where he says (yet again) Beta testers may discuss all aspects of the Dust Beta on their forum. * spend a few more minutes checking web sites where people are saying things like "I dont know why I got a beta key - I never heard of DUST before" and "Here, have my private trial key" -> http://www.ps3trophies.com/forums/general-ps3-discussion/15487-dust-514-privite-beta.html
WTB : An image in my signature |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
227
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:13:00 -
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Legally binding? that's a new one :) So all beta testers are in Iceland? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
115
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:50:00 -
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Din Tempre wrote:A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years.
You seem to be assuming that I haven't. Believe me, I have. And believe me, I want to get an email inviting me to play the beta as much as you.
Unlike you, I haven't translated my enthusiasm into a sense of entitlement and bratty impatience. The Beta is a testing tool, and an important one that's there to iron out kinks in the game before it's released. It's not a zarking reward scheme.
Astonishingly, one of the most important demographics that CCP will be wanting to get feedback on DUST from are people who aren't already emotionally invested in EVE Online, and who haven't been waiting patiently for DUST for a couple of years. The people who can give it a reasonably fair and unbiased opinion rather than fangasming all over it, in other words.
Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access in the form of Mordu's Private Trials and Fanfest beta keys. It's just not giving you immediate, right-this-second privileged access which is what you and so many other people seem to want.
Cultivate some patience. you've already waited a couple of years - what's another month going to harm you? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Zen Sarum
Hour of Reckoning
4
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:59:00 -
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We want an apology, only a relatively small number people who play EVE have a PonyStation, few if any of those have Beta keys release basically by Sony to PonyStation people ... as far as I am aware no Beta keys have been issued specificly to EVE players.
If you had issued Beta keys to EVE players only first you probably wouldn't be getting these issues now, and you would be getting far more useful feedback from them.
Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
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cApAc aMaRu
Burning Sword
9
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:04:00 -
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CCP: "If you get too excited we will ban you."
TROLOLOLOL |
Virr Kotto
Unknown Soldiers GIANTSBANE.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:10:00 -
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Well done, CCP, well done.
After last years fiasco with AURUM and "vanity items", I had really hoped you had learned a thing or two about HOW NOT to **** off your fans.
But EVE players may have the last laugh yet... SONY isn't doing so hot in the corporate way... huge staffing cuts... luckily, SONY's game division was allegedly "spared" thus far... but hey... the next round of cuts is only as far away as the next Quarterly Report ... and DUST isn't even on the shelves yet.
Just saying.
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Bullyboutya
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:15:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to playstation plus noob members what did you expect |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
549
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:07:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
right, most of us wouldn't leak the product if we paid to go see it and didn't break the NDA there. They gave it to people who didn't even know what it was. there is one guy who is stoned playing dust 514 up on youtube. He records the game and even laughs at the title closed beta test.
These are people you have testing your game ccp? not those of us who signed up months ago by following your dev blogs and playing you because we love eve as a product and want to test it for you?
Instead of give it to these people. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
549
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
Bullyboutya wrote:Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to playstation plus noob members what did you expect
That's not the point, CCP said and told the community that these 5000 keys were closed beta testers as in internal testers that work and volunteers to test games. CCP has something similar with the playerbase on the more secure testing servers where they have help from the playerbase.
If this had been true, and it was an offical stress test with people who were professional in other alpha testing events you would of been right. But instead the people that got beta keys were randomly selected, and that's why I now am on your side of the fence. I really didn't think they gave them out to random people. |
Mr Kitty Marstolt
Death 2 Bears
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bullyboutya wrote:Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waiting for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who don't give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us don't have access to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give access to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to play station plus noob members what did you expect
My brother who don't play EvE but has a PS3 got sent a beta key direct from Sony to his email address. He doesn't give 2 ***** about EvE or Dust but also don't care about posting video's of closed beta.
I'm not going to comment about the possibility of him posting video's as i do not want to be part of that, but I'm afraid where I'm from your DNA means NOTHING.
o7
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
549
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:14:00 -
[50] - Quote
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.
How would the people you gace keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them nt the break the NDA.
I mean, what were you thinking?!? |
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Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
51
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Posted - 2012.04.21 04:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.
How would the people you gace keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them nt the break the NDA.
I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.
So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 becuase they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.
1.check market, get confused by player options close market.
2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine
3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.
4. Non eof them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.
Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.
shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazing when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.
Beautifully put, this is an elegant persuasion why people who CARE about Dust 514 should have got beta keys first and regardless of that, why Fanfest people should have got in first. People over at Eve Uni who have created Dust Uni, or even anyone from eve really, might have been able to help the poor PSN nubs. Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Frontier Explorer's League The Methodical Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.04.21 04:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
Seriously? Why would you send out beta keys to random Playstation Plus members, most of which have probably never heard of EVE, if there is an NDA in place? You really think most console gamers are going to read/expect an NDA for a game they likely got a random invite to that they neither requested nor expected? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
551
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Posted - 2012.04.21 04:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:Seriously? Why would you send out beta keys to random Playstation Plus members, most of which have probably never heard of EVE, if there is an NDA in place? You really think most console gamers are going to read/expect an NDA for a game they likely got a random invite to that they neither requested nor expected? I hope ccp doesn't dodge the question |
Shiro Sudoku
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:11:00 -
[54] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.
How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.
I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.
So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.
1.check market, get confused by player options close market.
2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine
3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.
4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.
Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.
shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.
I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust.
Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special.
If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
552
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Shiro Sudoku wrote:MotherMoon wrote:oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.
How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.
I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.
So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.
1.check market, get confused by player options close market.
2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine
3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.
4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.
Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.
shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp. I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust. Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special. If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market.
see I 100% disagree with you. There are many more serious clans popping up everyday. The console gaming comunnity is growing and maturing and trying to push these people out. The problem is the games don't push these people out. Dust 514 is a great experiment to condense the hardcore FPS community into a single game that gives them more to think about because they are finally tire of playing games that don't require you to think. But it seems obvious that dust 514 will require you to think and use your brain.
I think all of the serious FPS gamers who want something different that is more invovling are going to pile into dust. The people who want fps to be boardcasted like a sport, the fps players that love complex gaming.
Hopefully dust will finally prove there is a breed of console gamers with a brain that are sick of the current generation of nonsense.
And on top of that it will get released for PC : )
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Elojs
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:
shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.
Um, CCP, talk to a lawyer... I mean, a real one. If Sony is randomly distributing the game prior to obtaining a binding consent on an NDA, isn't SONY is violation of the confidentiality agreements CCP signed with SONY?
Just another 2 ISK.
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Shiro Sudoku
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:Shiro Sudoku wrote:MotherMoon wrote:oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.
How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.
I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.
So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.
1.check market, get confused by player options close market.
2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine
3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.
4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.
Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.
shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp. I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust. Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special. If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market. see I 100% disagree with you. There are many more serious clans popping up everyday. The console gaming comunnity is growing and maturing and trying to push these people out. The problem is the games don't push these people out. Dust 514 is a great experiment to condense the hardcore FPS community into a single game that gives them more to think about because they are finally tire of playing games that don't require you to think. But it seems obvious that dust 514 will require you to think and use your brain. I think all of the serious FPS gamers who want something different that is more invovling are going to pile into dust. The people who want fps to be boardcasted like a sport, the fps players that love complex gaming. Hopefully dust will finally prove there is a breed of console gamers with a brain that are sick of the current generation of nonsense. And on top of that it will get released for PC : )
I really hope that is the case cause the Beta videos are pure face palm material. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
137
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:13:00 -
[58] - Quote
While I agree that it is a bit redundant to have a post about the NDA and Beta here on the forums, I hardly see it as an issue. Also, I'm fairly certain that the current Beta available to whatever Sony Playstation testers is one that I don't want to be in. Of course, I am hoping that we get on something a little more recent than an early stress testing beta.
Wouldn't want to use up my Beta access rights, (if I actually have any; that is, I get in), on something that early on. I'm looking at the opportunity to test the skills training, see what it's all about, try some of the new toys, and get a better picture of what it's going to be like when it hits full release.
June 2012 is sort of when we can expect it to hit full release stage afterall, and we are looking at that being only a month away really, so why not expect that CCPs granted access to Mordus Private Trials is going to be testing for the Pre-release Beta which anyone sensible would really want access to.
It is expected we will be able to continue on training and playing with our Beta account to one degree or another anyway. What is more rewarding than that. I can't say I expect the same to be available to the Playstation Beta access players but you never know.
I'm happy with whatever works out anyway and I don't really see CCP Navigator as flogging us in any way. You'd sort of have to be guilty of breaking the NDA to actually find any validity in such a statement with regard to yourself I should think. Having not done so, I hardly see the point in worrying about it. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Brinxter
Bite Me inc Exhale.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
+1
Well said sir. |
drillerkiller2004
Spontaneous Castigation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
WAR IS COMING!!!! |
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Kaela Arthropod
Wyrd Sisters
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:55:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
Its not about 'Eve players getting a hands on to the new product', you seem to misunderstand, it is about INCOME GENERATION and I bet a full five that Sony and CCP have already discussed and agreed a path forward, and hey, if that didn't include letting you get your greedy mitts on the gear, well tough luck, man up kid.
CCP and Sony are using a product they own to create an income stream for thier shareholders and it has nothing to do with you, the goons or any other player. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
555
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
Shiro Sudoku wrote:
I really hope that is the case cause the Beta videos are pure face palm material.
Dude yeah I know : ( |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
480
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:03:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Navigator, I'm sad to see you scolding the EVE playerbase over the video leaks when none of us are even able to leak the info even if we wanted to. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Xander Blackwell
Blackwell Industries IMPERIAL LEGI0N
2
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Posted - 2012.04.21 11:02:00 -
[64] - Quote
CCP WE DONT HAVE ACCESS TO DUST..... come on guys this is embarrassing. I am embarrassed for you.... Sort us out beta keys before abusing us.... glad to know who is most important to CCP though. PSN over EvE |
Whatisthis Idon'teven
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:27:00 -
[65] - Quote
Maybe if CCP had ever actually enforced a 'permanent' ban in the past and stuck to it, the threat of it might be taken seriously.
As it stands, because of the lack of commitment to rule enforcement throughout TQ and SiSi it's no wonder people are ignoring the NDA as just another set of CCP 'suggestions' rather than rules.
To be clear, how many days does a 'permanent' ban mean this time? |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
105
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:ITT: WAAAAAA I'M AN EVE PLAYER WAAAAAAA THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILIGES WAAAAAAAA
Grow the hell up, the lot of you.
This and on the other hand giving keys to everyone does give a more accurate info on the games overall appeal even if the testing quality might suffer compared to a public beta collected entirely from a fan base. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
119
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:51:00 -
[67] - Quote
Baneken wrote:Stitcher wrote:TL;DR - HTFU. This and on the other hand giving keys to everyone does give a more accurate info on the games overall appeal even if the testing quality might suffer compared to a public beta collected entirely from a fan base.
This, and DUST simply isn't aimed at existing EVE players. The entire point of it is to bring more players into New Eden from a completely different demographic, not to pander to the existing community.
CCP need to know that the game has appeal for and is accessible to people who aren't already part of the established community. They're not going to achieve that by throwing around beta keys like gratitude candy to every butthurt forum brat who unfairly and inaccurately accuses them of "neglect".
What I take from the leaked beta videos is that a vocal component to the information screens might be a good idea. Right now people are like "ugh, tutorial window CLOSE." and then spend five minutes trying to upgrade a skill that they don't have enough SP for or which is already at level five, whilst ignoring the green and red numbers that are supposed to let them know what is and isn't possible, and even ignore the error message they get every time.
An unskippable but short AURA announcement to accompany the error message might help. you know, something like "You do not have enough stored Skill Points to afford this skill level"[/i] in the same bored tone of voice that we hear "you are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled.". Maybe if they do it ten times AURA could get bitchy and be like "I assume that you must have ignored the tutorial window I helpfully displayed for you when you first attempted to access this feature. Would you like to refresh your memory? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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deart laves
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
hahahahahahahahahaha, so i sit here impatiently waiting for dust 514. waiting and waiting for the beta to start, thinking to myself that by the time CCP actually get's around to doing it E3 will be here. then as i'm logging in to eve i see the news posted about the nda and follow the link where i read this thread about how people who barely even know of the game are getting in......to that i say ROFLMAO. |
gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:41:00 -
[69] - Quote
so there leaving this posted about the nda when it seems non of the eve players here have got in and its the playstation plus guys messing up the nda and stuffs ....
CCP SORT YOUR SH~T OUT SON!
we the people who been to fanfest cant redeem the damn code given to us via the site you told us to use!
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Domin Mitauchi
NOMAD. RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
Like many of you I have been waiting for Dust for over 3 years now. With the release of the Sony Beta keys I understand it can be quite frustrating. It seems that Sony and CCP most likely have a shared database for key distribution so that they do not send keys to the same people when it came time to actually release them. Unfortunately it is my belief that Sony may of prematurely sent out the keys to 5000 random PS3 users. The database of beta testers most likely noted all of us who signed up for keys from CCP and made sure that we were excluded from the randomized list. This system would most likely be in place so that they did not send keys out to the same people twice.
Most of you may not care either way but I think it is important mention this for the following reasons:
1. I truly believe that with all the PR of Fanfest, CCP would never intentionally allow another beta group to get into the game before the Fanfest attendees. They did after all state that Fanfest attendees would be the first ones to beta DUST 514 and I do think it is important to CCP, as it should be for anyone interested in DUST, that it gain support within the Eve Community and be successful.
2. Every beta tester that I know of that has received a key has a PlayStation but did not sign up for the beta through CCP as they do not have an Eve Account. There may be the odd case where someone has received a key and has signed up on the CCP account management interface, but I have yet to find one.
3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.
Just my theory but it makes sense.
PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out. "We are everywhere for your conveince"
www.riseoflegion.com
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Doctor Caprician
Laurentian Abyss
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
So, if I'm understanding this correctly:
- The player base that wants beta access but cannot have it yet is being warned due to the activities of those who do have (But probably shouldn't, since they're most likely *not* the EVE player base anyway but instead random PSN users) it.
- The entity that gave out beta invites, and did so with apparently as much concern for the NDA as a politician has for the truth, isn't even CCP but is in fact Sony. Yet CCP is the one handing out the warnings despite the fact that those responsible for the violations made an agreement through Sony and it should be Sony throwing ban hammers at PSN accounts, not the other way around.
- The target audience for this admonishment most likely wont ever see it since, as previously stated, they're not EVE players but are instead PSN users and most likely don't even know this forum/thread exists. That alone renders the entire thread, and quite possibly my own reply to it, moot.
Did I get all that right? I'm usually pretty quick on the uptake but the level of jackassery here was quite overwhelming.
I have only recently returned to EVE from an extended break and I see a lot has changed. It is refreshing however to see that it is in fact true that no matter how much things change they always remain the same.
Achievement Unlocked: A legendary amount of ridiculousness!
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
229
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
Dust? Isn't that a cross between Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex and with some EVE missiles? I already have those games, thanks. |
gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:01:00 -
[73] - Quote
looks like im gonna be spamming twitter all day what fun . |
Doctor Caprician
Laurentian Abyss
1
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:06:00 -
[74] - Quote
Domin Mitauchi wrote:Like many of you I have been waiting for Dust for over 3 years now. With the release of the Sony Beta keys I understand it can be quite frustrating. It seems that Sony and CCP most likely have a shared database for key distribution so that they do not send keys to the same people when it came time to actually release them. Unfortunately it is my belief that Sony may of prematurely sent out the keys to 5000 random PS3 users. The database of beta testers most likely noted all of us who signed up for keys from CCP and made sure that we were excluded from the randomized list. This system would most likely be in place so that they did not send keys out to the same people twice.
Most of you may not care either way but I think it is important mention this for the following reasons:
1. I truly believe that with all the PR of Fanfest, CCP would never intentionally allow another beta group to get into the game before the Fanfest attendees. They did after all state that Fanfest attendees would be the first ones to beta DUST 514 and I do think it is important to CCP, as it should be for anyone interested in DUST, that it gain support within the Eve Community and be successful.
Yet those who attended Fanfest actually weren't the first ones invited to the beta, so there's that.
Domin Mitauchi wrote:2. Every beta tester that I know of that has received a key has a PlayStation but did not sign up for the beta through CCP as they do not have an Eve Account. There may be the odd case where someone has received a key and has signed up on the CCP account management interface, but I have yet to find one.
If everyone you know who got a beta key has a PSN account but not an EVE/CCP account then what is the basis for your "CCP/Sony shared database" theory? The only way Sony would have my CCP info in order to send me a key would be if CCP gave it to them, which I didn't authorize. It would work the other way around too, from Sony to CCP.
Domin Mitauchi wrote:3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.
Just my theory but it makes sense.
PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out.
Um, what?
You state you received some sort of mail that restricts your ability to go into deep detail, implying an NDA is place regarding your statements. You then say you have not yet received an invitation into the beta, thereby negating any potential NDA governing your comments.
Which is it?
/confused |
Chimz Domsathanas
Hedion University Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:27:00 -
[75] - Quote
Kossaw wrote:Navigator,
You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....
And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.
Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.
Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.
couldn't have said it any better myself. great post |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
231
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
So learn to be patient and wait for the game along with everybody else.
Beta testing is not a free ticket to playing a game early. it is to TEST. You all sound like you just want to fluff about playing a game before everybody else and get an "I'm Spewcial" hat. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
629
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:CCP Navigator, I'm sad to see you scolding the EVE playerbase over the video leaks when none of us are even able to leak the info even if we wanted to.
Aye, seems rather ackward doesn't it.
Then again where else would they post it. Dust webpage is rather bad (no forum, bad spelling/punctuation, etc).
Perhaps they think all the randomly selected dust testers will flock to this forum. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
11
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:42:00 -
[78] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:Please Ban them and give the keys to those that are mature enough to do what they agree to. I am available Yes. We Books are mature. Still burly. But of advanced years.
Browncoats.... FTW |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
231
|
Posted - 2012.04.21 18:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
Dust is gona flop anyway, why get in a hissy fit over it?
Come back later and tell me I am wrong :P
Question is, what happens to CCP if Dust does flop? Seems to me they are banking on it not flopping, otherwise they are DUST. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
482
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:00:00 -
[80] - Quote
Domin Mitauchi wrote:3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.
Just my theory but it makes sense.
PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out. You can't break and NDA unless you sign/accept it. So unless you are in the closed beta you have not signed a thing yet.
The mail you most likely are referring to was posted on a random ps3 forum including beta key and everything. The interesting part is that it stated May 17th for the beta while it actually happened a month earlier. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
232
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:14:00 -
[81] - Quote
The NDA is worthless outside the country of origin. I bet you could even then use Severability to shred half of it as unenforceable clauses due to overreaching or being too vaguely/broad worded or just plan breach of existing laws. Regardless, electronic signatures are worthless too. Checkboxes do not mean agreement or proceeding with various actions does not mean agreement. There is so many ways in which it is as useful as a piece of toilet paper. Well, toilet paper has more applications depending on the ply count. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
253
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:42:00 -
[82] - Quote
Good start.
:ccp:
C. |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
42
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Din Tempre wrote:A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years. You seem to be assuming that I haven't. Believe me, I have. And believe me, I want to get an email inviting me to play the beta as much as you. Unlike you, I haven't translated my enthusiasm into a sense of entitlement and bratty impatience. The Beta is a testing tool, and an important one that's there to iron out kinks in the game before it's released. It's not a zarking reward scheme. Astonishingly, one of the most important demographics that CCP will be wanting to get feedback on DUST from are people who aren't already emotionally invested in EVE Online, and who haven't been waiting patiently for DUST for a couple of years. The people who can give it a reasonably fair and unbiased opinion rather than fangasming all over it, in other words. Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access in the form of Mordu's Private Trials and Fanfest beta keys. It's just not giving you immediate, right-this-second privileged access which is what you and so many other people seem to want. Cultivate some patience. you've already waited a couple of years - what's another month going to harm you?
Actually, it's the complete opposite. I have been following DUST since its inception and that first highly vague trailer, since before basically any information had been released about it. I have since followed all announcements about it and all videos posted of gameplay. You suggest that our experience with EVE and attention to DUST's ongoing development biases our opinion in a way that would hurt the validity of the beta, but I say nay. The fact that we know how EVE works, how sov mechanics work, how FiS mechanics work, and that we know the purpose for DUST, means we would have more applicable questions/suggestions. If we see something in DUST that could potentially break game balance for FiS, we could call that out, because we know how FiS works. Random people don't. Additionally, I won't have a "fangasm" over DUST unless it's actually as good as it's been hyped up to be, as good as I expect it to be. My expectations aren't lower because I've followed DUST for 2 years, they're higher. Much higher.
And you said "Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access..." That's exactly the point. We (and myself in particular) signed up for that closed beta minutes after the devblog was posted with the link, and the vast majority of us didn't get into the beta. No one is claiming more of a sense of entitlement than that. We didn't start that; CCP did when they offered (possible) closed beta keys exclusively to EVE players with that first devblog. It's more of being let down than feeling entitled. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
556
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:26:00 -
[84] - Quote
Celebris Nexterra wrote:Stitcher wrote:Din Tempre wrote:A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years. You seem to be assuming that I haven't. Believe me, I have. And believe me, I want to get an email inviting me to play the beta as much as you. Unlike you, I haven't translated my enthusiasm into a sense of entitlement and bratty impatience. The Beta is a testing tool, and an important one that's there to iron out kinks in the game before it's released. It's not a zarking reward scheme. Astonishingly, one of the most important demographics that CCP will be wanting to get feedback on DUST from are people who aren't already emotionally invested in EVE Online, and who haven't been waiting patiently for DUST for a couple of years. The people who can give it a reasonably fair and unbiased opinion rather than fangasming all over it, in other words. Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access in the form of Mordu's Private Trials and Fanfest beta keys. It's just not giving you immediate, right-this-second privileged access which is what you and so many other people seem to want. Cultivate some patience. you've already waited a couple of years - what's another month going to harm you? Actually, it's the complete opposite. I have been following DUST since its inception and that first highly vague trailer, since before basically any information had been released about it. I have since followed all announcements about it and all videos posted of gameplay. You suggest that our experience with EVE and attention to DUST's ongoing development biases our opinion in a way that would hurt the validity of the beta, but I say nay. The fact that we know how EVE works, how sov mechanics work, how FiS mechanics work, and that we know the purpose for DUST, means we would have more applicable questions/suggestions. If we see something in DUST that could potentially break game balance for FiS, we could call that out, because we know how FiS works. Random people don't. Additionally, I won't have a "fangasm" over DUST unless it's actually as good as it's been hyped up to be, as good as I expect it to be. My expectations aren't lower because I've followed DUST for 2 years, they're higher. Much higher. And you said "Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access..." That's exactly the point. We (and myself in particular) signed up for that closed beta minutes after the devblog was posted with the link, and the vast majority of us didn't get into the beta. No one is claiming more of a sense of entitlement than that. We didn't start that; CCP did when they offered (possible) closed beta keys exclusively to EVE players with that first devblog. It's more of being let down than feeling entitled.
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UnknownHuman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.21 23:59:00 -
[85] - Quote
The good news is; by the sounds on the videos of those who leaked Dust, they seem to rather enjoy themselves with a pre-fanfest version of the game.
I think it is safe to say a good chunk of those testers do not play Eve Online.
That being said, this is an Eve Online forum and not a Dust 514 forum. So the message isn't properly addressed to the SONY testers since I don't think they'd come here just to read about the NDA.
I think it is sweet of the core Eve players to point out in the comments on youtube to remind those of the NDA. Now please give the keys to those worthy of it!
So lets not focus on what CCP may or may not have done wrong here and focus on why the Eve community is awesome!
Kaplaa!
-Unk |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
119
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Posted - 2012.04.22 01:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Celebris Nexterra wrote:Actually, it's the complete opposite. I have been following DUST since its inception and that first highly vague trailer, since before basically any information had been released about it... I have since followed all announcements about it and all videos posted of gameplay.
You mean Torfi's "TotalHellDeath" video from that Fanfest Keynote speech? Yeah, I was in the front row.
Here's the thing. trying to demonstrate that you have the biggest fanboy hardon for DUST is infantile, not impressive. A lot of people have been following this thing from the moment the first breadcrumbs were thrown. You're not unique in your enthusiasm, nor does being the BIGGEST DUST FAN EVAR entitle you to special treatment.
Quote:You suggest that our experience with EVE and attention to DUST's ongoing development biases our opinion in a way that would hurt the validity of the beta, but I say nay. The fact that we know how EVE works, how sov mechanics work, how FiS mechanics work, and that we know the purpose for DUST, means we would have more applicable questions/suggestions.
You're missing the point. They don't yet need feedback on sov mechanics and how the game impacts FiS right now. I guarantee you that those are among the things to which they've given the most serious thought, in fact. Us EVE veterans are, at the moment, less likely to have valuable feedback for them next to the feedback from the much, MUCH larger target audience of people who are not EVE veterans.
Sure, CCP will almost certainly want to hear the veterans' opinions on the things you mentioned. But what they want and need most at the moment is to know whether or not somebody with no prior experience of EVE Online can pick up the game and get their bearings quickly because if their New Player Experience isn't up to scratch then that's the first priority to get fixed.
For example, you are familiar with the idea of a skill having a maximum of five levels. Somebody completely new to the setting won't be, and CCP will want to know, among other things, whether or not that maximum is made clear enough to avoid people getting confused and complaining about not being able to skill up.
Quote:And you said "Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access..." That's exactly the point. We (and myself in particular) signed up for that closed beta minutes after the devblog was posted with the link, and the vast majority of us didn't get into the beta.
"And myself in particular?" Okay, I'll come back to that in a second, but before I do... Have you never heard of the word "yet" before? You are not in the beta YET.
YET.
Quote:yet (/yet/) Adverb: Up until the present or an unspecified or implied time; by now or then: "I haven't left yet".
Quote:No one is claiming more of a sense of entitlement than that.
Remember that "and myself in particular" bit? As if you're somehow the super special princess snowflake pony and CCP should be worshipping you and combing your mane?
"Oh, it's okay. I don't have a sense of entitlement. I just want my nice gift RIGHT NOW. I'm owed it because I am more excited for DUST than you are."
Let me tell you what you're actually entitled to:
The service you are buying from CCP is access to Tranquility and play time in EVE Online. that's it. That's all your money is good for, and all they're legally obliged to give you under the terms of the contract between company and customer. Things like anniversary handouts, beta keys, fanfest goodies and so on? they're gifts. Perks. bonuses. CCP being nice and giving us stuff that we didn't actually pay for because they're good people like that.
And you're throwing a tantrum because you weren't the first kid to sit on Santa's lap this year.
Let me be perfectly clear: YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LET DOWN.
Sure, if the game actually goes to full release without any EVE player ever getting into the beta, THEN we'll have been let down. THEN it would be reasonable to complain.
Right now what's happening is that the first wave of the beta has started, you weren't lucky enough to get in on it, and so you're raging. Can't you see how childish that is? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dilaro thagriin
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
35
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Posted - 2012.04.22 02:28:00 -
[87] - Quote
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:Seriously? Why would you send out beta keys to random Playstation Plus members, most of which have probably never heard of EVE, if there is an NDA in place? You really think most console gamers are going to read/expect an NDA for a game they likely got a random invite to that they neither requested nor expected?
Right.... i see your mistake...
you're asking CCP to answer for something done by SOE ...
you understand of course that, in essence, that's like asking microsoft to explain why your linux installation is not working the way you want it to?
you have an issue with how Sony handled giving out these beta keys, TAKE IT UP WITH SONY... it's not like CCP sent them out.
Yeesh. Give navigator and co a break guys. Sony messed up. to cover things from CCP's end, navigator made a post on this forum to reach the number of eve subscribers who may be affected by this. it was not only prudent but right for him to have done so.
while i haven't checked, i'm sure that a simillar message has been put on the DUST forums, and probably on the Beta forum itself.
quit whining. wait for your turn to join the beta, and in the meantime keep playing the games that are already released, whether they be console, mac or PC.
oh, and stitcher... +1 lol |
Valkerias
Society of Friends
0
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Getting mad because a promise made to you was broken and then YOU were yelled at because someone else is breaking the toy YOU were promised is childish. GROW UP AND QUIT WHINING, YEESH!
Umm, OK. Seriously, I couldn't care less about DUST. I am no fan of FPS games, but when a company makes promises to its subscribers, note: "Go to fanfest, get the key become the FIRST to beta test" and then we find out that the subcontracted company, SONY, is seemingly, NOT honoring its agreements and giving out keys to 5000 random people while NOT honoring the fanfest keys is bad enough.
To then come onto the EVE forums and start shaking the BAN HAMMER at the player base, which didn't even get the keys, because of the actions of SONY players/ execs, is really beyond the pale.
It's getting harder and harder to actually promote this company to others.
"The tax on custom offices in concord space will be DOUBLED" means "the costs will explode exponentially because we are now adding market value to the calculations." (In other words, DOUBLE means "multiplied by whatever number we feel like.)
"Pos fuels should be converted into blocks in about a week, traditional fuels will no longer work after this" means "keep traditional fuels in the towers for up to a month while we work everything out."
I could go on, but I trust you get the point.
It's not about "ME PLAY EVE! GIVE ME MOAR STUFF! RAAARRRGGGG!"
It's "Hey! You said one thing, and are doing something else, and now you're yelling at US about it!" |
Peter Powers
FinFleet Raiden.
77
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Posted - 2012.04.22 12:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
this might be a stupid question but - i received a beta key during fanfest, but i still have no clue where to enter it - where do i enter it? |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
484
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Posted - 2012.04.22 13:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
Peter Powers wrote:this might be a stupid question but - i received a beta key during fanfest, but i still have no clue where to enter it - where do i enter it? The instruction is written on the piece of paper with the key. However the FanFest trial isn't open for another week or so which is why the webpage only showing a coming soonGäó banner for now.
The NDA breaching people mentioned in this thread are using the Sony distributed keys so completely different. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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Deira Lenia
Esokal Command
0
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Posted - 2012.04.22 15:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
WTS: PS3, Still in packaging, didnt even remove the wrapper. Got it as bday gift but i prefer my xbox 360. Pawnshop doesnt want to give me more then 100USD for it, if anyone bids higher, ill ship worldwide through ebay, accepting paypal |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
123
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Posted - 2012.04.22 16:46:00 -
[92] - Quote
What Valkerias said I wrote:Getting mad because a promise made to you was broken and then YOU were yelled at because someone else is breaking the toy YOU were promised is childish. GROW UP AND QUIT WHINING, YEESH!
If you can find me a legitimate definition of the term "broken promise" which allows for a promise to have been broken before it's due to be honoured, I will personally buy you sixty PLEX*. The ACTUAL promise is that we'll be getting our access to DUST sometime during the next few weeks. See update 2 in this linked article.
And... "breaking"? Seriously? We're not talking about a pretty glitter fairy doll here that your little sister decided to give an impromptu haircut here. How the hell can it be broken by somebody getting to play a version that's actually an older build than the one at Fanfest before you get to come along and try out a more up-to-date version?
*Comment intended as rhetoric and does not constitute an actual offer. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Firnas
The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
11
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:16:00 -
[93] - Quote
I believe the lady on the first page noted that the game is probably DOA anyway, because some video had gotten 8 views?
I don't care enough about DUST to go find the video and confirm her hypothesis, but I will remind you guys this......
You are getting pretty excited about a console shooter. Those things have a shelflife of about 6 months at most. Really. You might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself..... emotionally when DUST flops like a dead whale at a Maori whaling ceremony.
Honestly though, DUST is as bad an idea as Ambulation was. Just divorce yourself from it emotionally, and remember to undock your spaceship, and everything will be ok. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
123
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:06:00 -
[94] - Quote
Firnas wrote:You are getting pretty excited about a console shooter. Those things have a shelflife of about 6 months at most.
Counterstrike, Team Fortress 2, Quake 3 Arena and Planetside spring to mind as exceptions to your rule. TF2 and Planetside especially can draw parallels to DUST, in that both have character persistence, though only one was a formal MMOFPS.
Don't think of DUST as a console shooter. think of it as a first-person perspective sandbox MMO. The big reason that console shooters fail is that after a while a new FOTM comes along, the servers start to become empty and it stops being worth playing the game.
I may be wrong, but I personally think that the added persistence and sandbox aspects of DUST, plus the fact that it's plugged in to EVE, is going to make a hell of a difference.
Firnas wrote:Honestly though, DUST is as bad an idea as Ambulation was. Just divorce yourself from it emotionally, and remember to undock your spaceship, and everything will be ok.
WiS isn't even a finished feature yet, and I personally actually quite like it so far, minimal functionality though it may have.
Was Trinity a bad idea, or a waste of development resources? No. EVE needs to expand in order to thrive, and it's this sort of attitude which is the main reason I'm not raking in billions from running a casino in Jita by now. If it's not FiS then a lot of people just don't want to know. It must be horrible to be so short-sighted. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ibeau Renoir
Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction
26
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Posted - 2012.04.22 18:42:00 -
[95] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Firnas wrote:You are getting pretty excited about a console shooter. Those things have a shelflife of about 6 months at most. Counterstrike, Team Fortress 2, Quake 3 Arena and Planetside spring to mind as exceptions to your rule. Counter-Strike and Planetside are console shooters now? Ceci n'est pas un sig. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
123
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:23:00 -
[96] - Quote
no, but they illustrate the point nicely. Shooters on PC have very frequently had similar longevity problems. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Synthmilk
The United Peoples of Synth
0
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Posted - 2012.04.22 19:46:00 -
[97] - Quote
Valkerias wrote: "Go to fanfest, get the key become the FIRST to beta test"
I have attempted for about ten minutes to hunt down a news article, dev blog, or advert regarding Fanfest that makes a claim close to that, and I can't find any.
Please direct me to where CCP made that promise.
Ibeau Renoir wrote:Stitcher wrote: Counterstrike, Team Fortress 2, Quake 3 Arena and Planetside spring to mind as exceptions to your rule.
Counter-Strike and Planetside are console shooters now?
Counter-Strike is on Xbox 360 and PS3, Stitcher appears to be mistaken about Planetside being on consoles though there was a time Sony implied Planetside 2 would be on the PS3 as well as PC. So as a response to Firnas, her claim is false as her proof is false, an FPS on a console can remain popular for a long time.
I don't know why people are crying about CCP putting this reminder up on the EVE Online forums. It's just a reminder to any EVE players who may have gotten into the group currently beta testing DUST, no harm in covering all the bases. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
237
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:32:00 -
[98] - Quote
Synthmilk wrote:Valkerias wrote: "Go to fanfest, get the key become the FIRST to beta test" I have attempted for about ten minutes to hunt down a news article, dev blog, or advert regarding Fanfest that makes a claim close to that, and I can't find any. Please direct me to where CCP made that promise. Ibeau Renoir wrote:Stitcher wrote: Counterstrike, Team Fortress 2, Quake 3 Arena and Planetside spring to mind as exceptions to your rule.
Counter-Strike and Planetside are console shooters now? Counter-Strike is on Xbox 360 and PS3, Stitcher appears to be mistaken about Planetside being on consoles though there was a time Sony implied Planetside 2 would be on the PS3 as well as PC. So as a response to Firnas, her claim is false as her proof is false, an FPS on a console can remain popular for a long time. I don't know why people are crying about CCP putting this reminder up on the EVE Online forums. It's just a reminder to any EVE players who may have gotten into the group currently beta testing DUST, no harm in covering all the bases.
You forgot TF2. |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
6
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:51:00 -
[99] - Quote
I'm sorry, but I knew this was going to happen as soon as the PSN got in, which is why I expected them to be the very last people let in. Oh well, I guess it's clean-up time now. |
Ibeau Renoir
Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
Synthmilk wrote:Counter-Strike is on Xbox 360 and PS3 Ah, didn't know that. I knew TF2 was though. Ceci n'est pas un sig. |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
559
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
Deira Lenia wrote:WTS: PS3, Still in packaging, didnt even remove the wrapper. Got it as bday gift but i prefer my xbox 360. Pawnshop doesnt want to give me more then 100USD for it, if anyone bids higher, ill ship worldwide through ebay, accepting paypal
I'll bite if it's a ps3 slim.
message me in game/through eve gate |
cApAc aMaRu
Burning Sword
9
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:38:00 -
[102] - Quote
DUST made me want to get a PS3, but now I'm scared I'll be banned for excitement. |
Gordon Fell
Acura Tech
6
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:59:00 -
[103] - Quote
Dear CCP,
Get me an invite, I'll shut up, promise.
Thanks. |
Ghoest
336
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:22:00 -
[104] - Quote
@ CCP
You invited members of an organization,with a professed dedication to destroying your other game, to a beta. An organization which has made tangible efforts to carry out its goal both IRL and in game.
Now you are crying that people arent following your rules for being in beta.
Seriously CCP - are you this dumb or is it pretend? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
125
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:52:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ghoest, you really need to learn the difference between "crying" and "reminding of a legal obligation". It's not like they're eating a pint of Ben and Jerry's while listening to Christina Aguilera and telling each other that people are big stupid mean doo-doo heads.
They're pointing out that if you're in the beta, that means that you have agreed to and signed an internationally legally binding document and that failure to honour that document will have appropriate consequences.
and AFAIK, "tangible efforts to destroy" something don't usually involve eager and active participation. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:36:00 -
[106] - Quote
@Ghoest
Have you somehow confused Goonswarm with Sony Beta Testers ?
You have your tinfoil hat on backwards |
Budsin Adar
kackpappen Pink Fluffy Pussycats
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:10:00 -
[107] - Quote
I was wanting to test it but never found out any info. via emails But wished to have tried it Via Computer like EVE is. Since the PS3 they not have the game ready. Also goon swarm should have never had the keys to the game they screw everything up.
Now I hope we know when its coming out i tried to find out from future shop and other places and no 1 has a release date WHY is that????? thanks everyone. now CCP pls answer this 1 tyvm. |
Osirus Bayne
The Social Network Cordon Sanitaire Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
I have a Beta Code from fanfest but when I go to the site on the card it says the Beta Registration will begin soon. Am I missing something? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
125
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
Osirus Bayne wrote:I have a Beta Code from fanfest but when I go to the site on the card it says the Beta Registration will begin soon. Am I missing something?
nope. Exactly what it says on the tin. Beta registration begins SOONGäó
This article explains what's going on. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.04.24 00:57:00 -
[110] - Quote
Gordon Fell wrote:Dear CCP,
Get me an invite, I'll shut up, promise.
Thanks.
What this guy said.... We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
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kardjaval
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.24 07:14:00 -
[111] - Quote
hey, navigator, if you give me a beta key, i do solemnly swear not to leak any of the info i gleam from it, so, um how long until i can expect my invite? do we need a bible, or a plex to put my hand on for my oath to be binding? |
ExHeVoRaZ KhaN
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:00:00 -
[112] - Quote
This beta is for PlayStation 3 users or is in other platforms ??
Some one think in use the PSX 2 emulator to bring a version for PC ???
That would be AWESOME !!!!!
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Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:28:00 -
[113] - Quote
PS3/PSN+ players that get into BETAs have no idea how to spell NDA much less what it means. |
Chal0ner
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:06:00 -
[114] - Quote
The whining in this thread ... @CCP - next time you send out beta keys include trojan that installs as well to keep track of all texts containing the ttitle of the game in beta. That way only the guilty will be addressed.
Of course, then the whiners would blame their children, nephew or cats ... |
Fair Warning
Not Even Light Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
UnknownHuman wrote:Navigator...
Sorry m8 but you got the wrong forum. This is Eve Online; not Dust 514.
And I think it is safe to say that your beta testers on the SONY network don't come on here to read about the NDA agreement.
Better to have given it to Eve players first so you could have linked it to their eve account and brought much more meaningful consequences. lol
Just food for thought.
-Unk
I heard DUST514 is related to EVE, like it's done by the same company or something.
If anyone looks for me, i'm hidden in Jita. |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:41:00 -
[116] - Quote
I don't get it, why are you posting this here CCP.
I guess next you'll post EVE patchnotes on the WoW forums? |
ELECTR0FREAK
4
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:46:00 -
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Fair Warning wrote:UnknownHuman wrote:Navigator...
Sorry m8 but you got the wrong forum. This is Eve Online; not Dust 514.
And I think it is safe to say that your beta testers on the SONY network don't come on here to read about the NDA agreement.
Better to have given it to Eve players first so you could have linked it to their eve account and brought much more meaningful consequences. lol
Just food for thought.
-Unk I heard DUST514 is related to EVE, like it's done by the same company or something. If anyone looks for me, i'm hidden in Jita.
Problem with that logic is that, as far as we know, no EVE Online players actually have access to DUST 514 at this time as SONY handed out 5000 beta keys to random PSN members, not EVE Online players.
Statistically, Navigator might have gotten his message across to a couple EVE Online players that happen to be PSN members that happened to get beta keys. A few more hardcore Dust 514 fans that play EVE might have bought keys off of PSN members.
But the reality is, if you go out and look at the leaked videos (not that I would ever! ) it's very obvious that the people breaking the NDA are not EVE Online players. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
127
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:07:00 -
[118] - Quote
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Problem with that logic is that, as far as we know, no EVE Online players actually have access to DUST 514 at this time.
What difference does that make? EVE players will be getting access to DUST in the near future, and the NDA is going to be just as relevant then as it is right now. We're pre-emptively warned this way. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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ELECTR0FREAK
4
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:50:00 -
[119] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Problem with that logic is that, as far as we know, no EVE Online players actually have access to DUST 514 at this time. What difference does that make? EVE players will be getting access to DUST in the near future, and the NDA is going to be just as relevant then as it is right now. We're pre-emptively warned this way.
Everyone is pre-emptively warned when they are presented with the NDA, so that's a moot point. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
127
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Posted - 2012.04.26 08:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Everyone is pre-emptively warned when they are presented with the NDA, so that's a moot point.
Except that apparently a lot of people were just like "BLABLABLASCROLLSCROLL YES I HAVE READ THE TERMS AND BLOODY CONDITIONS YAWN GO AWAY BORING LEGAL STUFF I WANT TO BLOW S**T UP"
Which, I mean sure there's a good argument for letting natural selection take its course here, but it's only fair to give people a second clear message and ultimatum about this stuff. Especially seeing as CCP don't want the NDA to be breached. The more different places and formats you present information in, the more likely it is that people will actually get the message. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Nicholas Barker
Drunken Wookies BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:18:00 -
[121] - Quote
Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
127
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Posted - 2012.04.27 19:15:00 -
[122] - Quote
Nicholas Barker wrote:Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest?
I'd LOVE to hear you explain how people ignoring a legal warning and breaking contract is the company's fault. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Enkryption
Intergalactic Pool Boys
10
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Posted - 2012.04.28 18:28:00 -
[123] - Quote
NDA's have a lot of bark and pretty much no bite in all seriousness, especially in the gaming world against the individual player. If it's a blog/news website they will get a cease and desist but to the individual sharing info anonymously, there is nothing they can really do about.
This is a just sayin' sort of thing, I don't break NDA's ;) |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:25:00 -
[124] - Quote
Josef Stylin wrote:I don't get it, why are you posting this here CCP.
I guess next you'll post EVE patchnotes on the WoW forums?
becuase dust is tied into 0.0 sov warfare, deal with it. |
ELECTR0FREAK
16
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:08:00 -
[125] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:ELECTR0FREAK wrote:Everyone is pre-emptively warned when they are presented with the NDA, so that's a moot point. Except that apparently a lot of people were just like "BLABLABLASCROLLSCROLL YES I HAVE READ THE TERMS AND BLOODY CONDITIONS YAWN GO AWAY BORING LEGAL STUFF I WANT TO BLOW S**T UP" Which, I mean sure there's a good argument for letting natural selection take its course here, but it's only fair to give people a second clear message and ultimatum about this stuff. Especially seeing as CCP don't want the NDA to be breached. The more different places and formats you present information in, the more likely it is that people will actually get the message.
Stitcher wrote:Nicholas Barker wrote:Is CCP capable of doing anything without it turning into a shitfest? I'd LOVE to hear you explain how people ignoring a legal warning and breaking contract is the company's fault.
You seem to be missing the point. I, if not most of us here, are not saying that it's CCP's fault, simply that they were addressing the wrong audience. The Dust 514 keys have gone out, but typically when a closed Beta is started, attention is brought to the NDA, with the understanding that breaching the NDA has consequences for future play. Generally fans are more likely to respect an NDA than people who don't care about the game (and have little reason to care if they get banned). The people who broke the NDA obviously didn't care about it and obviously weren't fans.
It's simply that it seems the first place CCP decided to "remind" everyone about the NDA was here, on a forum, where virtually nobody had a beta key because the first keys were handed out to random uncaring nobodies instead of the dedicated fanbase.
This could have been handled more tactfully. In any case, it's pretty much a moot point now that the FanFest attendees finally have access to the beta, but this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated. Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:17:00 -
[126] - Quote
PSN name is Degren
How bout dem codes! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
129
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:30:00 -
[127] - Quote
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated.
Well that's just bloody unreasonable.
Look, we've been over this. Let me summarize my points.
1) DUST is not aimed at the existing EVE fanbase, it's aimed at a completely different demographic. The feedback of your "random uncaring nobodies" is precisely what they're going to want MORE than that of the self-interested EVE player.
(Also, "random uncaring nobodies"? Really? you need to check your arrogance, son.)
2) The more places and avenues an announcement like this is made in, the more people it will reach. Given that the plan is for Fanfest attendees and us players who've signed up for the Beta to eventually get access anyway, it makes sense to remind us of this stuff. It's still relevant and important.
3) Paying for an EVE subscription does not entitle you to anything other than being able to play EVE. Anything else you get is a bonus or gift, but such gestures are not required of a company. It is NOT reasonable to demand them.
4) Grow the hell up. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Craterius
Symple Onez
9
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:17:00 -
[128] - Quote
I have been playing EvE since August 2008, sometimes with as many as three accounts.
I have not seen anything about Dust 514 that would motivate me to play it. I am willing to be agnostic about it, so long as the effort to create the New Thing does not ruin the Old Thing, which I like.
I suggest everyone check out the Sony Dust 514 Trailer, on Youtube. Sony is advertising Dust 514 as a typical FPS, with legions of EvE players lining up to be killed by the FPS guy, one after another.
The game, as Sony is portraying it, would not interest me from any perspective.
The loyal (and profitable, and growing) EvE player base is a valuable asset for a game. Trying to replace the existing player base with another one, in the hope it will be larger and therefore more profitable, is a very high risk business strategy. Personally, I would not do this, if I were CEO of CCP, or had financial responsibility for the company. A few months ago we saw the first detonations from this probably flawed strategy.
But, we shall see.
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MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:44:00 -
[129] - Quote
Craterius wrote:I have been playing EvE since August 2008, sometimes with as many as three accounts.
I have not seen anything about Dust 514 that would motivate me to play it. I am willing to be agnostic about it, so long as the effort to create the New Thing does not ruin the Old Thing, which I like.
I suggest everyone check out the Sony Dust 514 Trailer, on Youtube. Sony is advertising Dust 514 as a typical FPS, with legions of EvE players lining up to be killed by the FPS guy, one after another.
The game, as Sony is portraying it, would not interest me from any perspective.
The loyal (and profitable, and growing) EvE player base is a valuable asset for a game. Trying to replace the existing player base with another one, in the hope it will be larger and therefore more profitable, is a very high risk business strategy. Personally, I would not do this, if I were CEO of CCP, or had financial responsibility for the company. A few months ago we saw the first detonations from this probably flawed strategy.
But, we shall see.
what? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
129
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:38:00 -
[130] - Quote
Okay, so the game doesn't crank your engine, fine. Taste is an entirely subjective thing after all.
But this sort of knee-jerk "I don't like anything new" conservatism is NOT how you run a company successfully. The fact that you personally aren't interested in DUST is not proof that it's going to flop.
also, I've got a word for you to learn: "Expand". meaning to increase, grow or enlarge. THAT's what DUST is intended to do: expand CCP's customer base, not replace it. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Craterius
Symple Onez
9
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:46:00 -
[131] - Quote
Stitcher:
You might actually look like you have read a thread, before you give your standard "defense of Dust 514" speech. (Are you a shill for CCP? Are you CCP?)
I said I was "agnostic" to Dust 514. This means, I am willing to see what happens, & give it a try. I also said I did not object to anything, even a new feature that I did not want to play, so long as it did not destroy the play that already exists, which I like.
This sounds a lot like what you suggest I do. It also, generally, sounds pretty reasonable from any perspective.
Now, what about the concerns I, and others, have expressed? Do you have a viewpoint on those? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1088
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:53:00 -
[132] - Quote
Quote:3.1 Participant represents and warrants to CCP that: [...] (e) Participant will keep all copies of the Private Trials Copy on a computer that is password protected ... You don't say... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:35:00 -
[133] - Quote
Akita T wrote:Quote:3.1 Participant represents and warrants to CCP that: [...] (e) Participant will keep all copies of the Private Trials Copy on a computer that is password protected ... You don't say... Well-played, sir. Well-played.
If only we had DUST available on the PC, I'd be all-in.
Alas, Tanks, Tribes and BF3 are closer to my heart as my girl, EVE, fades away...
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ELECTR0FREAK
18
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:18:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:ELECTR0FREAK wrote:this thread did leave a bitter taste in many a mouth of CCP's most dedicated. Well that's just bloody unreasonable. Look, we've been over this. Let me summarize my points. 1) DUST is not aimed at the existing EVE fanbase, it's aimed at a completely different demographic. The feedback of your "random uncaring nobodies" is precisely what they're going to want MORE than that of the self-interested EVE player. (Also, "random uncaring nobodies"? Really? you need to check your arrogance, son.) 2) The more places and avenues an announcement like this is made in, the more people it will reach. Given that the plan is for Fanfest attendees and us players who've signed up for the Beta to eventually get access anyway, it makes sense to remind us of this stuff. It's still relevant and important. 3) Paying for an EVE subscription does not entitle you to anything other than being able to play EVE. Anything else you get is a bonus or gift, but such gestures are not required of a company. It is NOT reasonable to demand them. 4) Grow the hell up.
1) Regardless of what demographic DUST is aimed at, obviously it appeals to a large percentage of the EVE fanbase and shares the same universe and backstory. Obviously CCP knows this or they wouldn't have spent so much time presenting it at the EVE Fanfest, and then there's that little fact that they handed out beta keys to Fanfest attendees. And, it's obvious you didn't see any of the leaked videos. Too bad they've been removed from YouTube because if you had watched a few you would understand why I called them random uncaring nobodies.
2) I'll repeat myself... I, and most others on this thread, have little issue with a heads-up about the NDA and consequences for breaking it. The issue lies with the fact that CCP decided to warn everyone on THIS forum, the EVE Online forum, not a DUST 514 or PSN forum, about the NDA immediately after a bunch of random PSN players posted videos talking about how crappy the game was and how basically it was a Halo knockoff. This while the Fanfest attendees were still sitting on their hands waiting for the exclusive beta key they were promised. It felt to many like an accusation aimed at the Fanfest attendees that didn't even have the beta key they essentially paid for since they were told they'd get one for attending the Fanfest. Go back to the beginning of this thread and read some of the posts... the anger is palpable.
3) But, paying for a ticket to EVE Fanfest did entitle you to a beta key; it was used as a means to advertise the Fanfest and sell tickets, so your statement is an empty one. A lot of people were frustrated that they were told that if they paid for EVE Fanfest they would have exclusive beta access... but then it turns out that 5,000 random people who hadn't paid anything, and the vast majority of had never heard of EVE or DUST 514 beforehand got into the DUST beta first.
4) I'm not your son, and there's a good chance I'm older than you are, so lay off the insults, particularly since I did not insult you in any way. I would suggest you heed your own words, slinging insults at someone who made "u mad" on the internet by writing a post that happens to disagree with your sentiment.
This is my last post on the subject as the whole thing is water under the bridge now that the EVE Fanfest attendees have their beta keys. I'll reiterate simply that CCP could have been more tactful in the manner they handed this "warning" to players that felt like they'd been given the short end of the stick and then admonished for it. Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:26:00 -
[135] - Quote
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:so much
Calm down, son.
Also, still waiting on them keys. . |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
386
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:46:00 -
[136] - Quote
Let's get it all straiht.
CCP makes EVE players all happy about Dust with Beta Keys.
EVE players with Beta Keys can't go Beta because Sony uses it's arsebuddy system first.
Chances of someone being an EVE player and a Sony arsebuddy limits the amount of EVE players in DustBeta a lot.
Random people in Dust Beta break the NDA. (all of them people selected by Sony to get the working Betakey)
CCP starts to complain about this towards the big crowd of which MAYBE only a few actually have access to the incrowd of Sony.
Can we haz a WHAMMMMMBULANCE of care?
Because I actually don't care.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:59:00 -
[137] - Quote
That's what happens when you cut a deal with Big Gaming. You get used. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
25
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Posted - 2012.05.26 09:25:00 -
[138] - Quote
I got a beta key... wish I hadn't... :( |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2012.05.26 10:53:00 -
[139] - Quote
NDAs are a joke esp ones that involve video games. This just in DUST 514 is a fps just like all the other shooters. ccp your shooter isnt special sorry to burst your bubble. I have more space likes than you.-á |
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