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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:12:00 -
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CCP Dr.EyjoG talks about the influence of the Crucible expansion and the upcoming Escalation changes on the EVE Online economy and mineral prices. Check out the dev blog here.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
482
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:16:00 -
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First! Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:28:00 -
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4-2 !!! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:30:00 -
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Perfect double bottom on the ships chart, now all go buy my minerals, I am only up 40% profit now! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:31:00 -
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First to confirm being mega rich thanks to mineral speculation. *edit* damn u VV
Hands up if you jumped on this early on when minerals(highs) were less than half of what they are now
o/ Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Morpheus Mishima
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:33:00 -
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FIX HUGE IMAGES PLEASE! |
eidenjunior
Nor-rigs
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:42:00 -
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so it is not all the mining bots that no long works?(do to changes in the lanc that caused the higher prices. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:45:00 -
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Ya, you didn't touch on the mining bot factor.
How much has that played in?
Interesting stuff. Minerals aren't really my specialty though. :) Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Kyr Evotorin
Alternative solution inc
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:49:00 -
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Could someone do me the pleasure of quoting the devblog here? Corporate countermeasures to keep me from viewing what needs to be viewed involve using 11 year old Internet Explorer. Can't view community pages. |
eidenjunior
Nor-rigs
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:58:00 -
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Quote:Afternoon all profit seeking pod pilots, We have noticed in the past few weeks increased discussion on our forums with regards to what is going on in the EVE economy these days. The fact is that a whole lot is going on GÇô and it is about to become a even more interesting when the changes described in this DevBlog earlier in April will take place. Crucible turned out to be a really successful expansion from the standpoint of the EVE economy. Figure 1 shows the monthly Gross User Product (GUP) in EVE from October 2010 until March 2012. http://content.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2012/Escalationf1.pngFigure 1: This figure shows the total value created by players in EVE Online (Gross User Product - GUP). Total GUP, in nominal terms, is shown on the left axis and GUP per capita is shown on the right axis. The GUP takes a jump with the launch of Crucible at the end of November 2011. Per capita GUP jumped by 28% between November and December 2011 and has just continued to increase since then. This is attributed to increased production (Tier 3 battlecruiser anyone?) but also simply from increased activity in general due to both older players returning to the game and new players joining the pack. Now as any economist knows, good times and good partying always comes at a cost ;-) and in this case it is increased inflation in EVE due to increased aggregate demand. Of course there is also the issue of balancing ISK sinks and faucets which you can learn more about here, so we will not dwell on that part in this short devblog. The impact of Crucible and the announced changes that are upcoming in Escalation has been somewhat different than we have seen in the past. In 2010 and 2011 inflation has been driven by price changes in more advanced items in-game, such as Tech 3 ships, Tech 2 items and moon material. With Crucible things turned around and we saw the largest price increases in basic minerals and Tech 1 items. It started with changes in Mexallon due to increased demand for the production of the new Tier 3 battlecruisers. Figure 2 shows clearly the jump in Mexallon between November and December in 2011. http://content.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2012/Escalationf2.pngFigure 2: Price index for all base minerals in EVE. March 2011 set at 100. Mexallon starts to increase in December due to the new Tier 3 battlecruisers which need mexallon in large quantities. Tritanium starts to increase between December and January due to increased overall demand in the EVE economy and all minerals show an increase in price in March due to speculations on the upcoming changes in Escalation. Another interesting change at that time is the increase in price of Tritanium, which has since continued. This is attributed both to increased demand for production of Tech 1 items and due to speculations with hoarding ongoing in some areas of the universe. Speculations seems to become the primary factor in March when we see a jump in Zydrine and Morphite prices. It seems like the announced changes to the Drone regions as well as the removal of Tech 1 loot is doing exactly what we expected, creating some market uncertainities which will be interesting to see how the free market in EVE will adjust to. Some might call it a market mayhem GÇô a true Escalation to the Inferno! http://content.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2012/Escalationf3.pngFigure 3: Monthly price changes in Tech 1 ships from January 2010 to March 2012. Current price increases are similar to the Incursion price increase in early 2011. The upcoming changes in Escalation will impact the mineral market significantly and those price changes will impact the price of Tech 1 ships since they are directly correlated. Figure 3 shows the changes in prices for Tech 1 ships. As the figure clearly shows then price started to increase quite significantly at the end of 2011 and have simply continuned to increase since then. The price increase is simililar to price increases we saw around the Incursion expansion These changes are sharp but they are well understood and basically as expected due to the changes that are happening in EVE. We do not know the future, but we do know that there are some interesting times ahead for anyone willing to risk it and try to outsmart the market. Good (market) hunting! Dr. EyjoG |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:22:00 -
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Interesting!
/c
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TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:25:00 -
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Maybe mineral prices wouldn't be so bad if you weren't planning to turn the market into a clusterfuck. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Charles Sandford
Mosquito Alley
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:27:00 -
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Morpheus Mishima wrote:FIX HUGE IMAGES PLEASE! Yes, the images are huge. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:28:00 -
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When you have Goons calling for mining ops, and not getting laughed at for being ironic or funny, I would say ineresting indeed. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:31:00 -
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Nice |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:46:00 -
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CCP, not sure what you did, but I like it.
If we consider Hulkageddon is almost upon us, perhaps the mining and ratting bots in Empire could be studied for a little more time, while the players divert their frustrations away from the Jita Monument for the duration, and learn to recognise a typical Bot also, for reporting purposes.
This could help stop good people who, by accidence, real miners and haulers.
If the mineral trend continues, I will be using my morphite mining skills for real this time, maybe take them cargo rigs of my Rorqual, even buy that Hulk I trained for, build my own Carrier... Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Jesslyn Daggererux
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:49:00 -
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"we herped and derped the market and it's about to suck. Interesting isn't it?" In the same way I would call a special person with three arms. It's odd, but probably going to end in failure. 10% VG nerf is too small. It's an easy faucet. I do them, because for the time invested it's derp derp easy for good money. |
BigCountry
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:12:00 -
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I like how you also didnt mention the fact that there has been a civil war in the Drone Regions for the past 4 months .... Im sorry but yet again the devs take credit for stuff they accidently happened on .. Yes almost 99% of the mineral prices for low ends is a result of the civil war, which is a good indicator of what is going to happen when alloys are removed from the drone regions except it will be worse after patch. The civil war is also a reason behind the rise in high end min prices.. becuase basically you have several regions where the players living there are not able to get out and mine the hidden sov belts...which is the only thing that has truly hurt the high end market.. As more people start to repopulate the drone regions now that the civil war is over.. high end prices are gonna start dropping .... And after the patch as people accustomed to living a certain lifestyle in EVE start needing to jump trit out to 0.0 , you are gonna see huge demands for trit without a adequate supply.. therefore trit is going to continue to rise..... Lets see if CCP is patting themselves on the back in 2 months when trit is 12+ ISK a unit and battleships are running 400mil+ |
Diametrix
Wavefront Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:34:00 -
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BigCountry wrote:I like how you also didnt mention the fact that there has been a civil war in the Drone Regions for the past 4 months .... Im sorry but yet again the devs take credit for stuff they accidently happened on .. Yes almost 99% of the mineral prices for low ends is a result of the civil war, which is a good indicator of what is going to happen when alloys are removed from the drone regions except it will be worse after patch. The civil war is also a reason behind the rise in high end min prices.. becuase basically you have several regions where the players living there are not able to get out and mine the hidden sov belts...which is the only thing that has truly hurt the high end market.. As more people start to repopulate the drone regions now that the civil war is over.. high end prices are gonna start dropping .... And after the patch as people accustomed to living a certain lifestyle in EVE start needing to jump trit out to 0.0 , you are gonna see huge demands for trit without a adequate supply.. therefore trit is going to continue to rise..... Lets see if CCP is patting themselves on the back in 2 months when trit is 12+ ISK a unit and battleships are running 400mil+
Hate to break this to you, but you're not as important as you seem to think you are. |
Orion Sebestes
Terran Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:47:00 -
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Please don't use 3 super high-rez images in one post... it makes scrolling painful |
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:22:00 -
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Is the GUP derived from completed manufacturing jobs and ISK price at time of job delivery/completion or what happens to be on the market?
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Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:03:00 -
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- I like the fact that now mining makes sense;
- I like that mining returns to be the key activity in generating value in this game; and I hope to see giant mining ops with escort.
- I hope this thing lasts, but I fear it's partly overshooting by market speculation.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:05:00 -
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Stupid changes.
1. t-1 stuff will become super expensive. 2. Because of this less pvp will occur. 3. Less pvp, less ships lost, less ships made.
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Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
90
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:08:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Stupid changes. 1. t-1 stuff will become super expensive. 2. Because of this less pvp will occur. 3. Less pvp, less ships lost, less ships made.
Instead I see people going for cheaper ships, except the ones who also mine or play the market with success. Enjoy your rifter |
Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:23:00 -
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BigCountry wrote:I like how you also didnt mention the fact that there has been a civil war in the Drone Regions for the past 4 months .... Im sorry but yet again the devs take credit for stuff they accidently happened on .. Yes almost 99% of the mineral prices for low ends is a result of the civil war, which is a good indicator of what is going to happen when alloys are removed from the drone regions except it will be worse after patch. The civil war is also a reason behind the rise in high end min prices.. becuase basically you have several regions where the players living there are not able to get out and mine the hidden sov belts...which is the only thing that has truly hurt the high end market.. As more people start to repopulate the drone regions now that the civil war is over.. high end prices are gonna start dropping .... And after the patch as people accustomed to living a certain lifestyle in EVE start needing to jump trit out to 0.0 , you are gonna see huge demands for trit without a adequate supply.. therefore trit is going to continue to rise..... Lets see if CCP is patting themselves on the back in 2 months when trit is 12+ ISK a unit and battleships are running 400mil+
Let me say the same thing that was said before..
You vastly overestimate your importance...your arrogance is only matched by the Mittani and we all know what happened to mittens. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:38:00 -
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After looking at the Dr E's 3rd graph & seeing a negitive slope instead of a positive slope which he seems to be implying I'm confused: "Figure 3: Monthly price changes in Tech 1 ships from January 2010 to March 2012. Current price increases are similar to the Incursion price increase in early 2011. The upcoming changes in Escalation will impact the mineral market significantly and those price changes will impact the price of Tech 1 ships since they are directly correlated. "
Looking at the graph ( http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2012/Escalationf3.png ) it seems to contradict what Dr E writes: I see a peak of 6% in DEC 2010 which sharply downturns during Jan-APR 2011 & actually starts deflating for a bit.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Larofeticus
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:38:00 -
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Theory 1: "Mineral speculation in anticipation of drone alloy removal is driving a rise in prices for goods from which minerals are a primary component." Theory 2: "Herp Derp Aggregate Demand!"
Distinguish between these two theories by comparing the price changes of a good which is very affected by mineral prices, such as T1 ships, with a good that is not primarily affected by mineral prices, such as learning implants or deadspace/non-lp store faction items.
The only economist on earth with access to the greatest economic experiment generator ever created, with the ability to collect completely accurate information on every step of production, and guy still just aggregates everything and phones it in. A real economist with this kind of access to Eve would have earned a nobel prize by now. |
Rascal deJascal
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:53:00 -
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Looks like CCP may repeat the fiasco of last summer, in a new way.
Eve is a complex system, why adjust so many factors at once? To reach a new equilibrium screwed up in a different way?
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:14:00 -
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Rascal deJascal wrote:Looks like CCP may repeat the fiasco of last summer, in a new way.
Eve is a complex system, why adjust so many factors at once? To reach a new equilibrium screwed up in a different way?
I disagree & think these changes will be staggering ( especially to newbies that won't be able to afford even mediocre BS's for many MORE months ) these changes will be managable eventhough the shaking up of the ant farm ( everywhere but in Wormhole space ) will add some spice. Expect huge upheavals & near hyperinflation for a month to two ( I bet the graph for T1 ships inflation will exceed 10% ( I predict at least 15% )in April)... but agreed only time will tell. To rephrase I thinks an ESCLATION of inflation will create a Market INFERNO To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Tom W4tson
Backup Squad II
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:01:00 -
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CCP Dr.EyjoG - this dev blog is very poor and i dont see any point WHY you wanted to write about this stuff every active player knows - prices are rising. Eureka!
Saying "Good (market) hunting!" is a joke, right?
Please tell your friends we need dev blogs about - new modules - FW - game mechanic changes - graphic updates - ship rebalance - improvments
etc etc..... sorry, do better next time, this stuff is just not intresting at all. |
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