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Sernum
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:44:00 -
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1: Is solo PvP sustainable? Can I expect to win more than i lose once i learn the trade? - After some practice sure, but i'd reccomend going at it with some friends first.
2: E-war, cloaking, are they useful for solo PvP? Or is better to invest skills and slots purely on damage/tanking? - Personally i would start with dmg/tanking skills then branch out once you have a better feel
3: Race, if you should start from scratch, what race would you use for solo PvP? (Because of: active/passive tank, armor/shield tank, racial weaponry, racial ships, et cetera) - I think minmatar! they are fast and they have good all around ships!
4: Ship size, what's a sensible top size for solo PvP? Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, BC, strategic cruiser...? - hurricane, drake are a good start i think.
5: are there teaching resources and/or corps for learning solo PvP? - If you can find a corp/alliance that has 100+ kills a day try to join them!
6: Red vs Blue, is it useful in order to learn PvP? It is fun i think, but they mostly use frigates. there is no "thrill of the hunt" or long term strategy for RvB but it is deffinatly fun if you just want to dive in.
7: FW, is it useful in order to learn PvP? - I cannot speak from experiance, but i would imagine so. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:57:00 -
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If you want to learn (solo) pvp .. JUST DO IT!
Dont ask to many questions .. JUST DO IT.
Dont overthink it .. JUST DO IT.
Buy 10 Ruptures, 50 Thrasher and 75 Rifters and get out into 0.0. |
Karl Planck
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:37:00 -
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Soooo many bad responses in this thread. I am scared to read all the responses from the sheer amount of crap i have seen so far.
This does not apply to everyone, with 1 account, solo pvp is one of the harder things in eve to do, let alone what it looks like your goals are. With that in mind
1: Is solo PvP sustainable? Can I expect to win more than i lose once i learn the trade?
Yes, especially at the low end (frigs and dessies). This works on both your questions. First, with the cheaper ships you costs are almost purely in mods and ammo, both of which you pick up from your victims. Additionally, pod ransoms also help lubricate your wallet, which, again, go hand in hand with small ships. Finally, you will win more than lose only if you stay in small boats. The bigger you get the slower you are. Also, the longer it takes for you to die, the more ppl that will show up while you are trying to kill something (for the most part). However, yes, its very very possible for both.
2: E-war, cloaking, are they useful for solo PvP? Or is better to invest skills and slots purely on damage/tanking?
With no pvp skills? T2 guns>ship>supplimental skills (engineering/navigation)>lvl 5 weapon skills>ewar. This is true for solo pvp with the exception of very specific circumstances.
3: Race, if you should start from scratch, what race would you use for solo PvP? (Because of: active/passive tank, armor/shield tank, racial weaponry, racial ships, et cetera)
with no skills? probably matar. This has been answered enough up top, but its just easier not to suck early on with mater (less skill intensive, cross training)
4: Ship size, what's a sensible top size for solo PvP? Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, BC, strategic cruiser...?
Frig/dessy
5: are there teaching resources and/or corps for learning solo PvP?
already been dicussed.
6: Red vs Blue, is it useful in order to learn PvP?
Its a class of pvp, and as far as solo for a bigginer, a BIG NO. The fact that you can't pod means you will always be on the sh*t end of the stick in a solo fight until you have max skills and implants of your own. It is however good at getting you the barebone basics.
7: FW, is it useful in order to learn PvP?[/quote]
I would say moreso than RvB, but it again its for a certain class of pvp. As far as for solo it will be more friendly due to plexes, but you are going to feel like a little fish in a big pond if you know nothing of fw.
GL
If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
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Yiole Gionglao
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:10:00 -
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Hey, THX to al the good answers! Now I got some food for thought! 
I will keep considering this, as I am extremely carebear (to be honest) and this char is a miner so there's not enough earnings to sustain a PvP alt with ship prices rising as fast as minerals do. |
GenesisMike
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:38:00 -
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1: Is solo PvP sustainable? Can I expect to win more than i lose once i learn the trade?
Yes and no, you'd have to win alot more than lose and there are no guarantees ever.
2: E-war, cloaking, are they useful for solo PvP? Or is better to invest skills and slots purely on damage/tanking?
Yes and no, depends on what you are hunting and the situation all around. Pick which ship you want to fly and train for it, there isn't 1 ship that is free and clear the best ship although there are more commonly flown ones.
3: Race, if you should start from scratch, what race would you use for solo PvP? (Because of: active/passive tank, armor/shield tank, racial weaponry, racial ships, et cetera)
Again fly whatever you want, all have strengths and weakneses, learning those is almost as valuable as your piloting skills.
4: Ship size, what's a sensible top size for solo PvP? Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, BC, strategic cruiser...?
Start small and work your way up. Each ship class has its own ups and downs. Fly whatever you like but remember being able to get out quickly will help avoid losses and give you the option of choosing your fights.
5: are there teaching resources and/or corps for learning solo PvP?
Yup, previously listed.
6: Red vs Blue, is it useful in order to learn PvP?
Before I joined I had all my toons in Lowsec/Null corps plugging away. While there are differences with pvp from High-low-null-wormhole space, ultimately you need to decide what you want out of the game. Null/Low/WH people tend to say that you get "real" pvp experiences there. Thats per opinion though. What you do get in those zones is the human nature factor that people don't like to lose, and in accomplishing this they will go to lengths such as outnumbered fights and favorable odds. Not always but that is the general theme i've found. Nothing wrong with that but just be aware that the majority of pilots out there playing eve are not looking to lose they are looking to blow you up and avoid any situation with a large amount of risk. Think in terms of playing soccer and the other team has 8 more players on the field, it's not really a fair match and thats what most of eve is, people wanting to have a near guarantee of victory otherwise most of them will not give you an opportunity. So maybe it is "real" in that sense lol.
The way I choose to play EvE is that I want to have fun=get as many fights as possible in the time that I am logged on. I would like to have a chance at winning, not a guarantee but a chance. Sometimes I will go into a hopeless situation and DIAF and that is great fun too.
With that in mind I decided to give RvB a try and here is what I found:
1.Yes you do have arranged fights, however those are generally vaguely arranged ... ie both fc's agree on ship classes of cruiser and down and a general count. Not meet at this spot and such but just "we will be out and we should be somewhat close in numbers/size" Which accounts for fun on both sides not just one. Plus you get a competitive fight and you dont just know you will be safe which makes things interesting.
2. Like anything RvB is what you make of it. We are full of former Null/Low/WH/Merc pilots who will gladly lend a hand and teach newer people anything we know.
Bottom line is give it a try for yourself and see if you like it.
7: FW, is it useful in order to learn PvP?[/quote]
Never done FW, I've hunted them in their systems but never joined, but they seem to be fairly active.
Hope this helps. |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:42:00 -
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Helo Primus wrote:Gibbo3771 wrote:Helo Primus wrote:I wouldn't visit the above guys site mate, he is a complete jerk that just wants to make a quick buck. Just take a look at his chat logs with garmon over the eveiseasy fiasco. Garmon and co however do make good videos and you can check out the free ones here http://eve-is-easy.com/ I wouldnt go to either site, both just money grabbers. I agree that's why I mentioned the free videos. That abbadon21 is a right clown though. Got my angry just reading the chat logs
eve-is-easy.com is the one still being run by Garmon.
eveiseasy.com is the one that Abbadon still owns.
@op
It is worthwhile for your friend to watch the free vids on eve-is-easy.com, even if he has no intention of subscribing there. Some of them have pretty good pointers and tips. |
Rhealee
An Eye For An Eye
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:51:00 -
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I learned how to pvp solo from scratch with little to no help. If i could recommend to you one key thing you need to know it would be SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. knowing where you are who your foe is and the positioning of you and your target will determine the fight 9 times out of 10.
Skills and ships and things like that do play a role but if your wanting to learn solo you need to focus on one ship at a time you can afford. Master that ship, watch movies on it see how other people fit it, talk to people about common tactics with your ship.
Also another part of the awareness is your target. Are you engaging him on his home turf or your own? How much time do you have to kill him untill his friends arrive, whats your range from gates or stations to delay his friends or destroy his dps abilities.
There's so many variables in any fight its almost impossible to list them all and your certainly wont know every variable during the actual fight. The more intell you have the better but dont let that be a crutch.
I cant count how many fights i have engaged in where i was at a severe disadvantage but i had enough awareness and enough intell to predict the outcome of the engagement and flip it to my advantage.
I know this seems vague but its a general idea on the key factors i find in any engagement weather its solo or 200 plus.
If you want to talk or need more advice or have specific questions on a certain ship or tactic feel free to mail me or convo me, more than happy to help people learn pvp. Its more fun to kill experienced opponents than just noobs that triple tank their ship with the wrong weapons :p |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:40:00 -
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You can get vital ship knowledge and good practice in on the test server. Good place to start gettin the feel for it in a semi-controlled environment. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:26:00 -
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Yiole Gionglao wrote:There's those empty slots on my account and i ask myself: what about actually trying PvP with a PvP alt? I do have some questions, so, let's start... please be clear, i don't know anything on PvP.  1: Is solo PvP sustainable? Can I expect to win more than i lose once i learn the trade? 2: E-war, cloaking, are they useful for solo PvP? Or is better to invest skills and slots purely on damage/tanking? 3: Race, if you should start from scratch, what race would you use for solo PvP? (Because of: active/passive tank, armor/shield tank, racial weaponry, racial ships, et cetera) 4: Ship size, what's a sensible top size for solo PvP? Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, BC, strategic cruiser...? 5: are there teaching resources and/or corps for learning solo PvP? 6: Red vs Blue, is it useful in order to learn PvP? 7: FW, is it useful in order to learn PvP?
1. Maybe, if you only engage when you're sure that you can win. That's no fun, though, IMO. There is more of a thrill in a close fight, or one in which you're hopelessly outmatched.
2. Used wisely, they are very useful. A cloaky ship can get you past most gate camps or blobs, and some EW lets you get away with ridiculous things.
3. They all have good solo PvP ships. Pick and choose
Amarr: Slicer, Coercer (yes, I said it), Retribution, Vengeance, Sacrilege, Pilgrim, Curse
Caldari: Kestrel, Merlin, Hookbill, Cormorant, Harpy, Hawk, Rook, Drake
Gallente: Tristan, Comet, Catalyst, Ishkur, Enyo, Taranis, Vexor, Thorax, Ishtar, Deimos, Talos, Myrmidon, Dominix
Minmatar: Rifter, Thrasher, Jaguar, Wolf, Claw, Rupture, Vagabond, Rapier, Huginn, Cyclone, Hurricane
4. Whatever rocks your boat. You can solo PvP in a carrier if you want, but there are always both upsides and downsides to moving up ship classes. Upsides in how much damage and tank you can dish out, downsides in your flexibility, speed, blob anf frigate vulnerability, etc.
5. Not sure about corps, but there are definitely resources out there pertaining to solo PvP. Blogs and such, plus threads with people who want to help.
6. I suppose? RvB tends to run gangs, though, and that's not very interesting for someone looking to solo.
7. Yep, there are a ton of FW targets that you can take on solo.
Putting one last thought out there: solo PvP with neutral scouts and neutral leadership boosts and neutral reps (in hisec) is not solo. True solo PvP (just you and your ship) is sort of "Eve hard mode" because you're giving up one of the biggest force multipliers: other people. Still, it's possible, so good luck!
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Executus Primus
Black Phoenix Legion
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:50:00 -
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Yiole Gionglao wrote:There's those empty slots on my account and i ask myself: what about actually trying PvP with a PvP alt? I do have some questions, so, let's start... please be clear, i don't know anything on PvP. 1: Is solo PvP sustainable? Can I expect to win more than i lose once i learn the trade? 2: E-war, cloaking, are they useful for solo PvP? Or is better to invest skills and slots purely on damage/tanking? 3: Race, if you should start from scratch, what race would you use for solo PvP? (Because of: active/passive tank, armor/shield tank, racial weaponry, racial ships, et cetera) 4: Ship size, what's a sensible top size for solo PvP? Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, BC, strategic cruiser...? 5: are there teaching resources and/or corps for learning solo PvP? 6: Red vs Blue, is it useful in order to learn PvP? 7: FW, is it useful in order to learn PvP?
1: Only if you pick your fights very very carefully, which today means you won't get much pvp at all. A solo pvp pilot is very rare nowadays and most often is a bait ship. Those people who do solo pvp usually do so against the odds and consequently use ships you can't hope to kill in a T1 frig or cruiser. If you fly around in lowsec you will soon see that most people fly in a gang and use T2/T3/BC+. The only niche you could abuse is anti frigate T1 cruisers, which gets boring really quick. There are a few other edge cases, which i won't elaborate on. For people who can fly better ships solo pvp usually means kill/seperate the bait guy before his gang can arrive. There are people who engage multiple enemies solo and win, but those usually have superior experience (tactics), skillpoints and ships.
2: Ewar is usefull. ECM usually isn't solo, sensor dampening is rare, tracking disruption can be a nice unexpected counter against turret ships if you can dictate orbit or range (and can deal with drones if they have any). Neuting is very important from cruiser and up and its counter NOS is usually important on frigs to keep modules going against ships that apply neuting. Despite what people say a cloak can be a usefull tool. If you fly solo, most often you will have to evade a gang that is after you. The same guys that cry foul on cloaks are often the ones that camp a lowsec gate with a remote sensor boosted web-loki, 2 scimitars and 4 cynabals. With the mwd+cloak trick you can sort of move freely in lowsec. You can also engage people on your terms, be it pve ships or pvp ships. With good skills and timing (decloaking on d-scan arrival) the penalty on a cloak is managable on ships with an utility highslot. A cloak is less usefull in 0.0 however, since the bubbling mechanic negates much of the advantages of mobility. All things considered you won't need a cloak on a frig (because it can usually dictate engagement anyways), it might be worthwhile on a cruiser though.
3: Race has no influence on anything, but a miniscule starting SP investment in racial frigates. Choose what you like.
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Frigates are nice for learning, but don't expect many victories in a T1 frig. AFs is where it is at for a newer solo-pvp character, because they combine a reasonable mixture of low SP-investment, low ISK-investment, GTFO potential and killing-potential. I would choose an AF over a destroyer, because an AF can sig tank bigger targets and has diversity, what a destroyer often can'tdo /doesn't have.
T1 vanilla-cruisers work for baiting frigs, also some T1 cruisers like rupture, thorax, vexor and arbi work against some profiles. The problem with that is, that i haven't seen that profile in ages in space. T2 cruisers and pirate cruisers work rather well if you know what you are doing, but are also expensive on the ISK and SP side.
BCs are great but lack GTFO options. If you go solo in this one, you will die to a gang rather sooner than later, also needs high SP and T2 fittings to perform reasonable.
Strategic Cruisers obviously work, but wouldnt be my choice for a new player since they are quite expensive.
Personally i'd say that for new player pvp my option would be AF for solo, for fleet BC.
5: don't know
6: don't know
7: FW usually has a wider range of (read: also less skilled) pilots. I guess there is no reason not to join, exspecially since it provides you with targets you can engage on a gate in a frigate class vessel.
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Yiole Gionglao
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:36:00 -
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Oh, here I come again.... I have an additional question which i hadn't thought before... are there ways to PvP without losing security status? |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:40:00 -
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Yiole Gionglao wrote:Oh, here I come again.... I have an additional question which i hadn't thought before... are there ways to PvP without losing security status?
You want to pvp in nullsec, there is bubbles however which can lead to podding but after lots of 0.0 trips and several pods you learn how to avoid/deal with these.
I am mostly a purely solo pvp'er, I tend to hit nullsecs up all over eve. If you want to give it a go hit me up when I am on, if I can be bothered/not busy we can roam for a bit in a 2 man gang (i'll pay for the ships)
I can show you some easy methods to seperate large gangs and take them on in manageable numbers, other than learning that the rest sort of comes in time and with common sense.
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Asheru
Fweddit
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:22:00 -
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You're in the wrong game if you really want to be ~elite solo pvp~.
Go play Street Fighter IV or something. |
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