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Piezo Mnemonic
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Posted - 2009.02.08 09:46:00 -
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I received this after my hulk was destroyed in a .5 system. by 4 people [MADDAN69,MAUD' DIB,VILLWRATH,BACCI GALU] in catylists running bombs. The police ships did nothing to save my ship and hampered my attempts to escape in my pod. My wreck was pillaged and all items of worth taken. I then received a mail in eve
-------------------- 2009.02.08 03:32
Sorry that you had to be part of operation "Free The Carebears", and we appologize for your exhumer loss. We would much prefer to have you as a valued client instead of a target.
Our teams are constantly scouting all high sec regions around Jita including but not limited to Lonetrek, Black Rise, Citadel, Essence for exhumers mining, and when we find one, our dessie teams will go out to get them.
For a limited time we are offering you BLUE +10 standings with our corp, and all of our allies for ONE FULL MONTH period (30 days). This will cost you ONLY 100 million ISK for the month, and your exhumer will be SAFE from any of our attacks.
If you reject our offer, we will add you to a buddy list folder, and we will run locator agents on you whenever we see that you are online. You will become a primary target for us first over any other random exhumers.
Pay 100 million ISK to Villwrath now, and you get FULL MONTH without harrassment. --------------------
I will no longer play eve until you can stop this harassment, I'm also going to tell everyone I know about what happened and whatever response you give or fail to give.
response to my last petition was ----------------- Sent - 2/8/2009 8:41:00 AM Hi,
I am afraid that this is a legit use of game mechanics. We unfortunately cannot assist you with this matter.
If you have any further need for assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards, GM Horse EvE Online Customer Service Support -----------------
Take this seriously instead of just screwing around players.
either not letting -10 standing in anything above .5 systems. or making it imposable to use bombs in any system above .5
or something, Miners don't play this game to PvP. I Play this game to have fun if it isn't fun they will stop playing and you loose all your Mining people the eve economy will suffer.
And like me they will quit this game.
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Irn Bruce
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:23:00 -
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You must have started playing after they nerfed suicide ganking. Just be glad it took 4 of them, and in all likelihood the four of them now find it very hard to get into highsec. A few months ago it would've only taken 1 catalyst, and he could have kept coming back and doing it repeatedly.
Besides, the petition is right, it's a legitimate mechanic, concord aren't there to protect you, they're there to avenge your death, basically. They're a deterrant, not protection. To be frank, if you really can't live with that, then quitting is the right thing to do, Eve's obviously not the game for you.
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:33:00 -
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Can I have any of the stuff you have left?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/02/2009 11:00:43
Originally by: Irn Bruce You must have started playing after they nerfed suicide ganking. Just be glad it took 4 of them, and in all likelihood the four of them now find it very hard to get into highsec. A few months ago it would've only taken 1 catalyst, and he could have kept coming back and doing it repeatedly.
they will live in high sec forever without any problem.
Leave station in pot, get alt to drop fitted destroyer at safespot, board it when targets spotted.
Faction navy will not touch them even if they are -10.
So -10 standing as no real meaning.
Tot he OP: add them and the whole corp to the buddy list, you will be warned when they are on lyne.
Dock or safespot when they are in system. As they will be -10 you can attack them freely. Get a probe launcher an probe them out, then kill them as often as possible. It will still have little effect on them, dessie pilot alts, no real loss even if podded repeatedly, the clone cost little, but it will be something.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:50:00 -
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Try mining higher than .5, much faster concord response time. Otherwise it's all legit mechanics ___________________
I for one welcome our new bee overlords |
Aya Sin
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:21:00 -
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It's a stupid system. They pay less than nothing to blow up a 150M ship. CCP tried to address this issue but failed. I'm not quite certain, but I don't think apo is going to improve that situation either.
Best thing you can do is moving a couple of jumps deeper into highsec, maybe find a nice 0.5 bubble. These guys will most likely have better things to do than following you through deep highsec. Wardec/Mercs will not help as these guys will not lose anything but noobships.
Oh and before the piratebears start talking crap: No I don't want highsec to be 100% safe. But the risks should be on both sides. Losing 0.1 ISK worth of T1 crapships does not qualify.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Typhado3 on 08/02/2009 13:32:23 is there a idea in here anywhere?
only 2 things I saw you suggest is for concord to hunt down anyone with -5 sec in high sec which tbh I though concord already did that. The other idea is bombs which I also already thought couldn't be used in high sec along with bubbles including dictor/hictor bubbles.
Maybe I'm wrong in which case I would agree it should be changed, think someone mentioned a -10 sec guy could hop in a ship before concord attack in which case make a small concord squad follow their pod. I would however suggest you make your idea much clearer and point out the issue with the game not the problems that you are having with the local pirates.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:29:00 -
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Quote: ...making it imposable to use bombs in any system above .5...
If you mean smartbombs - surely you're not that short sighted? If they blocked smartbombs they'd just swap to another weapon system or ship.
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:51:00 -
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Miners don't play this game to pvp looooooooooooool
"hay guise I want to mine safely in highsec without any pvp at all so can you nerf suicide ganking to nothing again kthxbai"
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.02.08 15:00:00 -
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They would have used smart bombs to destroy the hulks drones. I would be curious if they keep using alts until they can't go in high sec then creating new ones. IF that is the case I have a problem with it though I do no know how to deal with it.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:22:00 -
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All valid game mechanics. Next time set up a trap for those people. Put on some useful modules to harden your shields or armor. Those suicide runs are very calculated and tight, it takes only tiny amount of extra HP to deter them. The result will be Concord blasting the suckers and YOU looting THEM. Been there, done that.
You can also switch ships and whatnot. In other words: Stop playing like idiot. You got exactly what you deserved.
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Moon10
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:45:00 -
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lol
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Aya Sin
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hariya All valid game mechanics. Next time set up a trap for those people.
What would be the point? That they lose a couple of Cats or in the worst case an impless clone? Whoohoo.
This isn't really about suicide ganking itself. It's about risk vs reward. The risk is zero. The reward is a ****ed off player and some nice loot. That's what's broken.
Now if they had to bring about the same amount of ISK into the game that their target does and their chances were about 40-60% than that would be balanced. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:19:00 -
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Hulks can fit a tank. In fact, a very nice tank.
Just because you were shortsighted and put no tank it it does not mean the game's broke. In fact, hisec's already too safe.
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Luzz Bightyear
Caldari The PeacekeeperZ
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:55:00 -
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I don't know what makes me giggle more, that you hadn't tanked your hulk or that you expect CCP to give a damn about it. |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aya Sin
Originally by: Hariya All valid game mechanics. Next time set up a trap for those people.
What would be the point? That they lose a couple of Cats or in the worst case an impless clone? Whoohoo.
This isn't really about suicide ganking itself. It's about risk vs reward. The risk is zero. The reward is a ****ed off player and some nice loot. That's what's broken.
Now if they had to bring about the same amount of ISK into the game that their target does and their chances were about 40-60% than that would be balanced.
The sec status punishment should be a penalty, a big penalty. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:32:00 -
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all together now!
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
i lost my hulk to two dessies with blasters, pre-suicide nerf.
welcome to eve.
also, they told you where they were operating. why not mvoe elsewhere?
"I will no longer play eve until you can stop this harassment, I'm also going to tell everyone I know about what happened and whatever response you give or fail to give."
jolly good. if your friends see that as a bad mechanic rather then a good one, we dont want them, either! |
Piezo Mnemonic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:15:00 -
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Perfectly valid and good responses (If I ever take up this game again I'll probably take the advice). Just some of your opinions support turning eve into a group of @$$holes flying around harassing whoever they want.
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Ineun
Minmatar Cogito Facio Fio Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Piezo Mnemonic Just some of your opinions support turning eve into a group of @$$holes flying around harassing whoever they want.
eerrrrr guys..... wasn't this THE WHOLE DAMN IDEA OF EVE??? GO BACK TO HELLO KITTY ONLINE |
Aya Sin
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3 The sec status punishment should be a penalty, a big penalty.
Let me quote the pour soul for you again:
Quote: [...] either not letting -10 standing in anything above .5 systems [...]
Unless of course he's exaggerating, that -10 pirate would probably be more concerned about losing the perfect -10 by accidentially blowing up a couple of rats (along with the barge).
Concord doesn't pop egged pirates. Somewhat creative use of game mechanics then provides them with the ships, once in highsec. Nothing new and perfectly fine.
Originally by: Ineun eerrrrr guys..... wasn't this THE WHOLE DAMN IDEA OF EVE???
That's only part of it. You're also supposed to kick 'em back where it hurts the most! That's kind of not possible here. |
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:29:00 -
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Welcome to eve it's a beautiful universe where nothing is fair, a bit like real life but with bigger bangs and ships.
Can't beat them join them.
But a realistic solution is to get an alt or a corp mate to help you out. |
Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:44:00 -
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HELLO OP GO BACK TO ****ING WOW YOU ARE SAFE THERE |
Onys Cissalc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:02:00 -
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Ok, firstly, you got hit by BYDI members using their mains, not alts.
Secondly, if you prevent people from using smartbombs (not bombs - bombs are something completely different all together) in empire, a lot of people that are used to using them for missions are suddenly going to face a very big problem (hint: in some missions you genuinely want to have a smartbomb fitted or you're going to have trouble finishing the mission, or even surviving if your tanking skills or tank are poor)
Thirdly, as stated by others, you could have tanked your hulk up a bit, making it take a lot more effort for them to come gank you (read: they'd have to get more people in on the hit)
Denying -5 or lower players from entering 0.5 or higher systems is a bad idea. You, as a miner, may not be interested in PVP, but they very much are, and they, like you, would like to have some degree of freedom to move about as they please. They are already limited to not using ships in empire (the navies can and often do catch up with them and gank them, and surviving them is between difficult and impossible for most ship setups), just so that they can move between the different low-sec or 0.0 regions.
They are also vulnerable to being attacked by anyone anywhere in the game by having a -5 or lower security rating.
Aya Sin, before trying to tell off 'piratebears' (lol?), it might be worth getting a cl00.
The ships being used for this kind of act cost around 1mil a pop. Their clones (villwrath, muad'dib and co) cost a good few dozen million each, and I don't doubt they're implanted for a few dozen mil (if not hundred mil) each while doing this as well.
The risk vs reward for them is plenty. They risk going in with 10mil worth of ships to blow up a '150' mil ship, fine. They also go in risking a 15mil isk per character clone each, so let's say 60mil + 10mil in ships, that's 70mil. Ok, so we're up at almost 50% risk to reward.
Except, they may blow up a ship that itself only costs 95mil. They aren't guaranteed to get any decent loot at all - they could just end up getting a T2 cargo expander or a mining crystal or two. In the same way, the miner COULD have tanked himself up or taken note of the multiple "Criminal in system!!!1oneeleven" messages going up at the top of his screen.
You're not at your keyboard all the time to see those messages? Well boo-bloody-hoo for you - the rest of us aren't playing afk-miner-online, we're playing EVE-is-a-harsh-world-where-undocking-means-you-consent-to-nonconsentual-butt-bangage-if-you're-not-paying-attention-Online.
Seriously, if you pay a little bit of attention to what you're doing in the game, dying in empire (when not at war) is pretty hard to do unless you throw yourself at death intentionally.
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Piezo Mnemonic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Onys Cissalc Ok, firstly, you got hit by BYDI members using their mains, not alts.
Secondly, if you prevent people from using smartbombs (not bombs - bombs are something completely different all together) in empire, a lot of people that are used to using them for missions are suddenly going to face a very big problem (hint: in some missions you genuinely want to have a smartbomb fitted or you're going to have trouble finishing the mission, or even surviving if your tanking skills or tank are poor)
Thirdly, as stated by others, you could have tanked your hulk up a bit, making it take a lot more effort for them to come gank you (read: they'd have to get more people in on the hit)
Denying -5 or lower players from entering 0.5 or higher systems is a bad idea. You, as a miner, may not be interested in PVP, but they very much are, and they, like you, would like to have some degree of freedom to move about as they please. They are already limited to not using ships in empire (the navies can and often do catch up with them and gank them, and surviving them is between difficult and impossible for most ship setups), just so that they can move between the different low-sec or 0.0 regions.
They are also vulnerable to being attacked by anyone anywhere in the game by having a -5 or lower security rating.
Aya Sin, before trying to tell off 'piratebears' (lol?), it might be worth getting a cl00.
The ships being used for this kind of act cost around 1mil a pop. Their clones (villwrath, muad'dib and co) cost a good few dozen million each, and I don't doubt they're implanted for a few dozen mil (if not hundred mil) each while doing this as well.
The risk vs reward for them is plenty. They risk going in with 10mil worth of ships to blow up a '150' mil ship, fine. They also go in risking a 15mil isk per character clone each, so let's say 60mil + 10mil in ships, that's 70mil. Ok, so we're up at almost 50% risk to reward.
Except, they may blow up a ship that itself only costs 95mil. They aren't guaranteed to get any decent loot at all - they could just end up getting a T2 cargo expander or a mining crystal or two. In the same way, the miner COULD have tanked himself up or taken note of the multiple "Criminal in system!!!1oneeleven" messages going up at the top of his screen.
You're not at your keyboard all the time to see those messages? Well boo-bloody-hoo for you - the rest of us aren't playing afk-miner-online, we're playing EVE-is-a-harsh-world-where-undocking-means-you-consent-to-nonconsentual-butt-bangage-if-you're-not-paying-attention-Online.
Seriously, if you pay a little bit of attention to what you're doing in the game, dying in empire (when not at war) is pretty hard to do unless you throw yourself at death intentionally.
I had my Hulk tanked to the best of my abilities. I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T.
"They are also vulnerable to being attacked by anyone anywhere in the game by having a -5 or lower security rating." Bull, it gets to a point where it's just better to leave them alone since they're operating with such low security ratings they will definitely have the backing to retaliate and the time and allies to pick you out when they find you.
your calculations are bull, once they've destroyed their target they have no risk of being poded (I beleave Concord doesn't pod people) so there goes your cost of the clones. 10mil is all that's left. And then there's their extortion racket to make then 100mil a month off each sap they kill. Even if only 1 in 6 pay it still makes them profit for the month and many more to come.
"Criminal in system!!!1oneeleven" <--- never seen this before or at the time of the incident.
As for being away from my comp I was there the whole time trying to warp away when they started.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aya Sin
Originally by: Typhado3 The sec status punishment should be a penalty, a big penalty.
Let me quote the pour soul for you again:
Quote: [...] either not letting -10 standing in anything above .5 systems [...]
Unless of course he's exaggerating, that -10 pirate would probably be more concerned about losing the perfect -10 by accidentially blowing up a couple of rats (along with the barge).
Concord doesn't pop egged pirates. Somewhat creative use of game mechanics then provides them with the ships, once in highsec. Nothing new and perfectly fine.
Originally by: Ineun eerrrrr guys..... wasn't this THE WHOLE DAMN IDEA OF EVE???
That's only part of it. You're also supposed to kick 'em back where it hurts the most! That's kind of not possible here.
just make concord send a frig around to follow the pod and the moment he jumps in any ship have him jammed, scrammed and webbed. Or hell even make concord pod his ass if he sits around for more than a min. I thought the whole idea of sec status and concord was to kill pirates in empire. |
Listheria
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:46:00 -
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it really is taking advantage of the system. ccp does want a safe section of space but aside from barring them from high sec all together they are having problems controlling it.... they should not be allowed in high sec for x many days if they high sec gank. its rediculous
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.09 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Listheria it really is taking advantage of the system. ccp does want a safe section of space but aside from barring them from high sec all together they are having problems controlling it.... they should not be allowed in high sec for x many days if they high sec gank. its rediculous
There is plenty of safe space. Go to 1.0. |
Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.02.09 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 09/02/2009 08:21:35 Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 09/02/2009 08:21:19 don't pay and start mining in a tanked ROKH with 2 large smarties fitted ... they will stop after a few incidents like that :-)
you will have lower income, but you will still have your ship and some fun ...
btw you have killrights on them, make that count :-)
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.02.09 08:56:00 -
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Find other players who are victimized and extorted by them, team up, corp up, fleet up and defend each other. Mine as gang, not alone.
The fleet leadership boni alone make it worthwhile, add quite a bit to your defense and also increase your mining yield.
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Osiris Andras
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:12:00 -
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I ask for this alleged hulk tank.
Also welcome to eve, where its HIGH security space not SAFE space. Concord aren't there to hold your hand, they're there to kill the bad men who touched you.
Eve is a hard, niche game, if you want mainstream there is plenty out there for you to play instead.
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