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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:19:00 -
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Introduction
Onto the test server I go to test out the new probing system. I wanted to share with you what I learnt. Firstly no more spam the scan button chance based system having a good method to your scanning will result in you finding things faster. The first bit of bad news this will mean ships take 2 minutes sometimes to scan sometimes more so this is a PvP scanning nerf. The only other bit of bad news is you now have to use your brain a bit.
Currently there are lot of issues on the test server. The first is that some plexs are impossible to find, this will be tweaked. Secondly you need astrometrics V to be able to use probes... ooops. Thirdly is once you find your wormholes you can't go into them yet. It is however worth giving scanning a try just to get used to the new system.
Probing for Wormholes Guide
0) Step 0 was an afterthought of how to set up so you can scan for only deadspace signatures. Firstly click the triangle as shown below and create an new filter.
Go to the the cosmic signatures section tick the box and bam you are only probing for them. The same could be applied to only probe for titans in PvP.
1) First jump into the system you want to scan and load the longrange probes. (Deep Space Scanner Probe I)
2) Hit the solar system map, and set up the solar system map as shown so that you aren't getting 100 differnt poppups on screen. If you are on the star map hit the toggle button on the map control panel.
Also note the picture below shows that you can simply right click a probe to edit its range.
3) I then decided it was best to set your first probe at the middle of the system so the probe doesnt seem to eat your whole screen. I set it to 64au which meant the bubble covered my whole solarsystem map.
4) Select your current probe by clicking it and hit the blue circle with the target in the middle to get yourself a result if there are any in system. Then select your result you will see a sphere like in the picture below this is the area where the result could be.
5) So how do we narrow this down? Well this is where triangulation comes in! Put a second probe up and use the arrows to drag them so they both cover roughly 3/4 of they system and overlap each other.
Then scan when you get your results back you will see that in this area where your probes were overlayed you get a red circle. These are all the possible locations of the plex anywhere on this circle. Select the result to see this if the result isn't in the overlay area then you will still only be able to view the bubble you got previously.
6) So now we have narrowed it down some more. Lets add another point of referance and see what we get. Same proceduce make sure the circle is the the probes overlay move them around and your ready to scan.
This third point of referance gives you two possible locations, however its advisable to find it down to one then you get to lay less probes in the later stages.
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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:20:00 -
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7) Ok lay a 4th probe and now we have it one unique point. This is a red circle on the map, you cannot warp to this yet as you need a scan strength of 100%.
If you dont get one point move your probes around a bit to ensure they are overlaying both the potential points.
8) Now return your probes as they are reusable wooot!
9) Change probe type to the small ones. (Core scanner probe I)
10) Set these probes to their shortest range 0.25au and lay 4 of them so they overlap each other on this one red dot in space. Dont have them directly on top of each other just make sure they overlay and are at slighly different distances from the red dot.
11) Hit scan and get your result if the strength is 100% you can right click the result and warp to it. Otherwise move your probes slighly then you will be able to warp to it on the next scan.
12) So what does a wormhole look like? Well it has no graphic currently just a placeholder.
Also expect the old Radar, Ladar, Mag and Gravi sites to pop up too with new names. You can't distinguish between the different types but now it only takes 5minutes to find them who cares if its not what you want find a new one!
Conclusions
This is so so easy for exploration when you have plenty of time! Probing titans out as they cloak will be near on impossible however and catching ***s bouncing around your system good luck.
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IronPants
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:55:00 -
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It would be nice to have a bit more info on the site before warping to it...radar versus grav etc but My experience has been that its much much faster to find sites now. This guide seems to be pretty much on with my attempts on test server too.
The only problem im having its its a bit clunky moving the probes around and the directional placement arrows get way too large. Good Guide.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:26:00 -
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nice guide, cheers
but I do share the concerns about probing out of safespotted ships, its hard enough to do now when they dont recycle their spots, should be next to impossible then even with maxed skills unless I miss something |
Sonorra Baki
Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:31:00 -
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Nice guide there Danny
What I don't get is the 2.5 sec scan. This totally neglects player skills as there is now no insentive to train Signal Aquisition to 4 or 5. My alt is doing 5 atm, and Im gonna have to stop it and do something else.
I also agree with the combat probing. Its gonna take way longer now. |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sonorra Baki Nice guide there Danny
What I don't get is the 2.5 sec scan. This totally neglects player skills as there is now no insentive to train Signal Aquisition to 4 or 5. My alt is doing 5 atm, and Im gonna have to stop it and do something else.
I also agree with the combat probing. Its gonna take way longer now.
There's been discussions of replacing the scanning time with a scanning strength bonus. But it's just talk atm. Because as you say, training an x5 skill just to cut off 4 seconds is...meh :D |
Sonorra Baki
Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:40:00 -
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its 8x skill This may not be work safe -Capsicum |
Malvaroth Vidaru
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:42:00 -
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Hey, can we edit objects with 3dMax ingame now? I'd feel more comfortable leaving design tools in the hands of CCP..
On a more serious note however. This doesn't look at all inviting to me, which I thought was one of the main reasons for a change in scanning?
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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:55:00 -
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I really like this system it look complicated but it takes what used to be a hour+ job down to a 5 minutes job. This is pure epic win!
I am glad I have cov ops alts though to try and run around like mad finding the best sites these things are going to be instarun straight after DT now.
This system is a bit too fast is the only possible thing I would say, thats in terms of exploration though. Combat wise it kind of sucks at the moment but as long as the system scanning array stays the same you will be able to defend your own space! Just makes probing out plexing guys and mission runners harder. When scanning for ships I don't want the possible signals to display just 'Ship' at the least I want to see 'Battleship' if not 'Raven'. |
Dragossin
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dragossin on 09/02/2009 23:11:02
Originally by: Danny Centurai I really like this system it look complicated but it takes what used to be a hour+ job down to a 5 minutes job. This is pure epic win!
Well, i guess this depends from which side you look at it. While i welcome the changes i will miss the old system a lot. There was nothing better than scaning in a system, knowing that at least 3 other people were scanning for the exact same thing, pinpoint it, clear it and maybe even brag about it
Nothing better than P-V-P (Probe vs Probe) |
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Danny Centurai When scanning for ships I don't want the possible signals to display just 'Ship' at the least I want to see 'Battleship' if not 'Raven'.
It will display that as you get closer, you need a strength of above 50% I think to display Battle Ship and 90% to get Raven. |
Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Danny Centurai When scanning for ships I don't want the possible signals to display just 'Ship' at the least I want to see 'Battleship' if not 'Raven'.
It will display that as you get closer, you need a strength of above 50% I think to display Battle Ship and 90% to get Raven.
No freaking good still compared to current system for PvP. Instead of 30s scans it takes what 5 minutes? Jumping safes now means you are 100% immune, maybe this is in preparation for the 'cloak nerf' and the 'omgnolocalchat' ideas that may be implemented.
/me goes back to rubbing his crystal test server ball. |
Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:03:00 -
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Excellent. but now what advantages does my Sisters launcher give me under the new system? |
Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Excellent. but now what advantages does my Sisters launcher give me under the new system?
0.2 seconds faster scanning perhaps. The faction stuff needs to be balanaced! Better triangulation would be my suggestion so smaller deviations and can get to final result faster. The triangulation in its current state is basic it needs deviations to make probing more challenging I think. |
rubico1337
Caldari nefarious badgers inc
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:51:00 -
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is it possible that the scan time is reduced ti make testing easier? i cant see a 5 sec scan time to be anywhere near good |
Unctom
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:55:00 -
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There's no reason to use covops or astrometrics frig now that the ship bonus for scan time does almost nothing then? |
Optical Illusion
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:07:00 -
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I have been conned. The OP's title says 'simple'
I think the scanning/plex/probing interface was fine, i liked warping round the planets, deciding which planets to launch probes at, using google to convert AU - km and vice versa, and i admit openly that it needed improving, and changes to make it more usable.
My oppinion, this implement made things worse. |
Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337 is it possible that the scan time is reduced ti make testing easier? i cant see a 5 sec scan time to be anywhere near good
The way the system is now it's not longer based on having a long scan time. The time you would earlier have spent watching the timer go down you now spend moving the probes into position. It would defeat the purpose of the system to have a long scan time. So I doubt it will change. |
Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Optical Illusion I have been conned. The OP's title says 'simple'
I think the scanning/plex/probing interface was fine, i liked warping round the planets, deciding which planets to launch probes at, using google to convert AU - km and vice versa, and i admit openly that it needed improving, and changes to make it more usable.
My oppinion, this implement made things worse.
It took me 20minutes to figure it all out, 10 minutes later I have my first wormhole. 30minutes later I had made a guide on the thing and found 4 complexs in the one hour. This isn't a 'push button recieve bacon' interface but I like it. |
Optical Illusion
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:13:00 -
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do you scan for ships regulally in pvp?
am pretty sure that just got smakced in the face.. is one of the main things am saying.. |
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:14:00 -
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its a lot simpler |
Cailais
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:22:00 -
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Those maneuver boxes look stupidly big tbh. The interface looks really 'clunky' in UI terms - I was rather hopping to be able to move probes in a fashion more like ship movement in homeworld.
At the very least I hope CCP change the box & big pointy arrows. Doesnt look very 'high tech' to me.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Optical Illusion do you scan for ships regulally in pvp?
am pretty sure that just got smakced in the face.. is one of the main things am saying..
Agreed, didn't you read my emo tears about it earlier? I am now however over that and more interested in how these wormholes are going to pay for my dreams. :)
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Those maneuver boxes look stupidly big tbh. The interface looks really 'clunky' in UI terms - I was rather hopping to be able to move probes in a fashion more like ship movement in homeworld.
At the very least I hope CCP change the box & big pointy arrows. Doesnt look very 'high tech' to me.
C.
I envisioned it exactly the same. select a probe, right click-> move, click someplace to move to... it moves there. Seems simple i suppose.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Dal Thrax
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:41:00 -
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Are the old onboard scanner based cosmic anomalies still around? What would be the minimum time to probe if I set probes extremely close at gate (i.e. if I where to try to probe a snipe point). Finally can I move probes around on grid to try to decloak a cloaked ship?
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.10 03:40:00 -
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Nice guide. I am looking forward to playing with this once the server comes back up.
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Johnathan Kimble
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Posted - 2009.02.10 03:51:00 -
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Very nice guide!
Any idea when the Tert Server will be up again?
tx |
Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.10 03:53:00 -
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so covert ops and signal acquisition are now basically meaningless? this better not be final |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.10 04:12:00 -
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Nice guide! The new client keeps ctding on me so I couldn't even get to the point to launch one. As to the people worrying about all the time they put into perfect probing skills ccp has stated in the dev blog in the info section that you will get a significant advantage once they finish out the probe mechanics. Remember this is just a rough beta test to give us something to play with and to brainstorm ideas.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Olari Vanderfall
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Posted - 2009.02.10 06:40:00 -
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Nice guide. Now I just need Sisi up to try it. It seems like it's too easy now and there is no deviation from the signal. It showed 14 AU distance. Why would the 0.25 AU probes pin it down?
To go from a Deep Space Probe signal to 0.25 AU in such a short time suggests to me it's not working as intended. |
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