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Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.10 22:29:00 -
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Seriously. Don't do it.
I've looked at some of screenshots so far and the female avatars look stunning. I've definitely visited a couple strippers who remind me of the character models in those images but really, it's enough.
I have a few reasons why the female avatars should not be too sexy:
1. Realism: Unless the entire universe is Beverly Hills, these women shouldn't have perfect eyes and everything else *cough. If I leave my pod, enter a bar and everyone is dressed like a high couture reject from the matrix with a membership to Bally's, I'm just not going to believe it.
2. Sexism: Yes. Sexism.
I'm a guy and I like strippers and women but I don't always want my entertainment to grossly, hyper-sexualize female characters. Not entirely because I think it's inappropriate but because throwing some fap fap material at me like I'm some horny teen is a bit insulting to my tastes and ideals.
3. Variety: Let's add variety or the option for such variety to these avatars. This applies to the male avatars as well. I want to see different body types. Not just skinny ***** and fat ***** but angular frames, straight frames, shapely ones, etc. I'd like to enter some social area where I can infer ideas about the player based on their choice of body type. I want to see some tomboys in there; scrawny guys with gross mustaches; butch girls and of course some sexy ones.
Please do consider this. Modern games don't need to make every character some ultra-superhero and super sexed up vixen.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 10/02/2009 22:41:38 1) Don't we have genetic engineering in the future? So isn't it likely, that people could alter themselves to look as they wanted. They do it today, only it takes a scalpel. Heck, you could have a Clone grown, with slight modifications, and look like a different person every day.
2) Umm... it's an adult game. No one ever said Eve was G rated. That's not to say it's XXX either. But being prude doesn't mean the rest of the world should bend over backwards to spare your virgin eyes.
3) The ability to alter the basic dimensions of your avatar!? Why... I've never seen such a thing, in every single other MMO that exists. I'm pretty sure there will be some custom settings in there somewhere, given how much you can manipulate the facial features already for our awesome "drivers license" characters we have currently. --- Don't take my ranting personally. I may just be arguing the topic, unless you're saying something stupid, and then I mean every word. "Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 22:50:00 -
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I don't think he wants forced ugliness, I think what he wants is real choice, which I certainly could agree with. |
Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.10 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 10/02/2009 22:41:38 1) Don't we have genetic engineering in the future? So isn't it likely, that people could alter themselves to look as they wanted. They do it today, only it takes a scalpel. Heck, you could have a Clone grown, with slight modifications, and look like a different person every day.
2) Umm... it's an adult game. No one ever said Eve was G rated. That's not to say it's XXX either. But being prude doesn't mean the rest of the world should bend over backwards to spare your virgin eyes.
3) The ability to alter the basic dimensions of your avatar!? Why... I've never seen such a thing, in every single other MMO that exists. I'm pretty sure there will be some custom settings in there somewhere, given how much you can manipulate the facial features already for our awesome "drivers license" characters we have currently.
1. This is a good point. In the context of the game universe, I guess its likely and possible that everyone engineers themselves to look like models.
2. As for your second point, sexism is not the same as "sex". The game can have **** and nudity for all I care but too many games sell the idea of over-sexed vixens when in many instances it's so unnecessary it's bit insulting.
3. I'm referring to a wide ability to change an avatar. I don't think it should be so limited so that all avatars end up looking like Brad and Jolie. I want the option to put some ugly in my avatars. |
Osiris Andras
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 10/02/2009 22:41:38 1) Don't we have genetic engineering in the future? So isn't it likely, that people could alter themselves to look as they wanted. They do it today, only it takes a scalpel. Heck, you could have a Clone grown, with slight modifications, and look like a different person every day.
2) Umm... it's an adult game. No one ever said Eve was G rated. That's not to say it's XXX either. But being prude doesn't mean the rest of the world should bend over backwards to spare your virgin eyes.
3) The ability to alter the basic dimensions of your avatar!? Why... I've never seen such a thing, in every single other MMO that exists. I'm pretty sure there will be some custom settings in there somewhere, given how much you can manipulate the facial features already for our awesome "drivers license" characters we have currently.
just to dabate point 1, genetic engineering is outlawed in the game lorewise. This is universal, there are a couple of chronicles on this. Cloning is allowed but modification as far as I know is not.
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Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Osiris Andras
just to dabate point 1, genetic engineering is outlawed in the game lorewise. This is universal, there are a couple of chronicles on this. Cloning is allowed but modification as far as I know is not.
Then nevermind about agreeing with that point. I'll go back to my original argument. We need variety. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Osiris Andras
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:55:00 -
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Yes we do need variety. I would like scalar qualities for body similar but more extensive than the Guild wars one. Maxims and Minums for height in "average" catagories, possibly related to race and bloodline.
If we were to go by the average pod pilot there would most likely be no heavy catagory since pod pilots are physically weakened by extended stays, as such we player capsuleers live in our pods so realistically the best we could hope for realisms sake would be an equivalent of average or slighty above average.
Though It doesn't have to be like this (see the binary systems contradiction). I would like to see ancestry playing a large part as well. Mostly because people would set up khannid cybrids for massive RP value of the fact that you are man/machine.
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Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Osiris Andras Yes we do need variety. I would like scalar qualities for body similar but more extensive than the Guild wars one. Maxims and Minums for height in "average" catagories, possibly related to race and bloodline.
If we were to go by the average pod pilot there would most likely be no heavy catagory since pod pilots are physically weakened by extended stays, as such we player capsuleers live in our pods so realistically the best we could hope for realisms sake would be an equivalent of average or slighty above average.
Though It doesn't have to be like this (see the binary systems contradiction). I would like to see ancestry playing a large part as well. Mostly because people would set up khannid cybrids for massive RP value of the fact that you are man/machine.
I agree with whatever this guy said. |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.02.11 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 11/02/2009 02:23:11
I'd like to add that if everyone looks 'perfect', then the world of EVE loses a lot of it's harshness. Which would be a real pity to be honest. I like the dark, menacing world. And for this atmosphere to work you also need shady characters and ugly thugs. If everybody looks like a cast from 'EVE's next topmodel' that might have some slight contra-productive effects.
Personally I don't like the bulimic, androgynous, metrosexual style of most modern games. Makes me wanna puke tbh. I prefer a slight dose of reality. Sure, New Eden has genetic engineering. But I don't think that everyone can afford it (NPCs), or wants it in the first place (NPCs + PCs).
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Twenty Five
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 03:25:00 -
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+1 for non-compulsory hawt chix. Oh, the irony. - Totally not a miner alt. |
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Thunderbird Anthares
BLACK BARONS Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.11 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 11/02/2009 04:35:05 No. i like my database of all female characters i encountered well,almost all of them
Rpeg,not all of them are sexy,its just most of the time people creating female chars/alts take time and do the facework propertly
and yeah,we`re a couple of thousand years in the future,even plastic surgery is an antique here face it
MOAR SEXINESS
edit: this is just got to be the most unusual thread i ever posted in |
Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:02:00 -
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More variety for avatars is desperately needed.
Be it more or less beautiful facial bone structure, more different choices of makeup, more clothing, more hairstyles, more backgrounds (especially some that look like a background and not like police station mugshot)...
After a while, you see the almost same avatars over and over again.
These things are simple additions that do not take forever to create. Been there, done that.
And while they are at it, they should make up some uniforms for certain faction agents. It is just an axe in the face of immersion, when all military and intel agents look like a cross-breed of fashion models and punky **** actors.
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Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Rpeg on 11/02/2009 05:41:27
Originally by: Thunderbird Anthares Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 11/02/2009 04:35:05 No. i like my database of all female characters i encountered well,almost all of them
Rpeg,not all of them are sexy,its just most of the time people creating female chars/alts take time and do the facework propertly
and yeah,we`re a couple of thousand years in the future,even plastic surgery is an antique here face it
MOAR SEXINESS
edit: this is just got to be the most unusual thread i ever posted in
I should clarify that I'm referring to the avatars/character models in the eventually released "walking in stations" expansion.
Here's an example:
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/3/1/2/5/0/5/ss_preview_WiS_screen_18.jpg.jpg?slideshow=true
-- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Thunderbird Anthares
BLACK BARONS Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.11 05:44:00 -
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ok,i didnt get that nevertheless,same reasoning as i said earlier,i like sexyness
if anything,the MALE avatars should be just as sexy (for women ofcourse) like female ones are sexy to the male part of the players
hell,i dont play games to look at someones ugly face,i play games for recreation,and in recreation i really prefer things pleasing to the eye in favor of realism,atleast mostly ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself. |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.11 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Typhado3 on 11/02/2009 06:26:03
Originally by: Rpeg
2. Sexism: Yes. Sexism.
I'm a guy and I like strippers and women but I don't always want my entertainment to grossly, hyper-sexualize female characters. Not entirely because I think it's inappropriate but because throwing some fap fap material at me like I'm some horny teen is a bit insulting to my tastes and ideals.
This, I don't want eve to be like DOA with spaceships.
It's fine to have strip clubs but a little variety rather than just all strippers and beer in ambulation is what I want. Also for avatars stuff like scars and whatnot possibly even some more facial implants.
When ambulation comes I'll probably leave my main similar to what he is now (hansom isn't he). As for my 2 alts; one I'll go pretty (think jamyl) and the other will pretty much be a female version of my main. None of my characters (including the cyno alts) will I be doing scantly clad, giant bounce factor characters. |
Isabella Montague
Gallente RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg
1. This is a good point. In the context of the game universe, I guess its likely and possible that everyone engineers themselves to look like models.
Especially the Gallente |
Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Osiris Andras
just to dabate point 1, genetic engineering is outlawed in the game lorewise. This is universal, there are a couple of chronicles on this. Cloning is allowed but modification as far as I know is not.
Then nevermind about agreeing with that point. I'll go back to my original argument. We need variety.
aggreed - the character portrate sliders should allow us to toy with uglyness, not just go from 'hawt' to 'omghawt' :P
from an RP perspective - even with genertic engineering there are socio-tactical benifits to looking ugly or plain.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:28:00 -
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gief me moar p0rn in eve! |
deepfreeze007
Caldari Swordfish LLD
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Isabella Montague
Originally by: Rpeg
1. This is a good point. In the context of the game universe, I guess its likely and possible that everyone engineers themselves to look like models.
Especially the Gallente
So true. |
the secratery
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:53:00 -
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Actually i find the females of the caldari Achura to be the most distasteful in the game. There like the real office staff type girls. |
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Aynen
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:12:00 -
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There's another factor that comes into it, concerning the model-like qualities if digital females.
We're talking about costom-made characters, made by the players themselves. Having played Second Life for a long time, where players can make themselves look like a smurf or inanimate object or any type of body they wanted, I've noticed that by far most people who choose to have a female avatar choose to also make it look like a model with a rather vuloptious cup-size (if not an outright unrealistic cup-size).
If you wanted to have average, or even ugly characters in stations, you'd have to either stimulate players to make their characters deviate from what is considdered pretty, or use NPCs to add the diversity to it. Not a lot of players will do it out of their own free will if it doesn't offer some advantage. |
shady trader
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Posted - 2009.02.11 19:12:00 -
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In one of the talks CCP have given they said that some of you actives in game will alter your characters appearance. If you eat to much you start to put on weight etc. There is also going to be player run plastic surgery clinic (Sweeney Tod's slice and dice walk in surgery any one?). So not every one has to look like models, I personal plan to give my characters a bit more character both in design and dress style.
There was a reasonable long thread in general discussion a while ago were a lot of this types of questions were answers.
As for the original issues, CCP are aware of them, that is part of the reason they have a proper designer for cloths as they realized their developers seamed to like leather, PVC and latex to much then it came to character dress styles for it to work. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
Gaulian Fidelis
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:34:00 -
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I agree, but there's a limit to the variety you can have in a game. If you really want pure variety, it would be a pain in the ass to make the character first of all (I HATED Elder Scroll 4 Oblivion's character thing) and it lets people purposely make these hideous characters that they sometimes use just to annoy people and to run around harassing other people while dancing (this happens a lot in PS home).
Either way, Variety would be nice. It would take a lot longer to make the program though if they put a huge amount of variety in it.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.12 00:27:00 -
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Yeah, what OP said...I like my women to be unorthadoxedly fat and covered in warts, moles, and multiple yeast infections...
CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
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Funkcikle
Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:03:00 -
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If I wanted to look at grim chicks, I would open my curtains and look out of the window
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Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.12 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Funkcikle If I wanted to look at grim chicks, I would open my curtains and look out of the window
New Jersey? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:07:00 -
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If what the OP is saying is that he wants to see body types kept realistic, Ill agree with that. Realistic doesn't mean ugly btw.
Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew! |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.12 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 10/02/2009 22:41:38 1) Don't we have genetic engineering in the future? So isn't it likely, that people could alter themselves to look as they wanted. They do it today, only it takes a scalpel. Heck, you could have a Clone grown, with slight modifications, and look like a different person every day.
2) Umm... it's an adult game. No one ever said Eve was G rated. That's not to say it's XXX either. But being prude doesn't mean the rest of the world should bend over backwards to spare your virgin eyes.
3) The ability to alter the basic dimensions of your avatar!? Why... I've never seen such a thing, in every single other MMO that exists. I'm pretty sure there will be some custom settings in there somewhere, given how much you can manipulate the facial features already for our awesome "drivers license" characters we have currently.
1. and you think every chick would want to look like a pole with two balloons nailed to it?
grow up.
2. adults are called that because they have moved beyond teenage stupidity, and that includes moving beyond turning everything into a sexual reference.
an adult game doesn't HAVE to include sexiness. an adult doesn't HAVE to include verbal abuse. an adult game doesn't HAVE to include violence. an adult game is one that mixes those components when they are needed to make it better.
and that is the critical point. eve is an adult game. it does need the option to be a hot chick with a fab body. that would improve the game. but if that was your ONLY option, it would severely detract from it.
so it also needs the option to be a merc chick who genetically modified her chest so its almost totally flat, so she can aim the sniper rifle properly.
it needs the middle aged minmatar trader lady. somewhat dumpy, short, and always ready to sell you minerals at a cuthroat price.
if you remove the second and third option, the game becomes a peep show, and that would be a sad way for eve to end up.
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Thunderbird Anthares
BLACK BARONS Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:02:00 -
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ure absolutely right
i do love looking at pretty chicks,and im sure against removing the dr00l candy,but at this point i think our opinios of a "chick" differ
you see,i want to have a visually pleasing game,and that does not necessarily involve a nice ass and D cups (actually i dont even like big boobies) i think your worries are built on water,and im sure not going to be the one that will play with a female avatar with baloons that give a warning in the room before i`d enter i have a male char that looks like a santa claus on some heavy duty weed (thank god there will be plastic surgery) and 2 females on the same acc just because i need a placeholder somewhere
and please,if you dont like it and cant hold your own hormones at bay,stay the hell in your pod ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself. |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.14 07:21:00 -
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I can support this. I like some realism and variation with my fiction.
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