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Varden Gage
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:25:00 -
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We've all heard it a thousand times.
But how many here actually live up to this philosophy? While it certainly sounds like sage advice and it's hard to put forth any rational argument that it's a good idea to lose a ship that you can't afford to lose, is that really the way you play EVE? Now be honest, how many here have never risked more than they could afford to lose? Do you plan to get ahead in EVE by always playing it safe and placing small bets?
"Don't risk a ship you can't afford to lose," uttered in the context in which the phrase is usually recited, begins to sound suspiciously like "never take any risks at all" or "never get into a fight you might not win." I submit part of what makes the game so much fun is precisely because of the risk inherent in most any endeavor EVE has to offer.
Is "don't risk a ship you can't afford to lose" sound advice, or is that just a wise sounding cover for "always play it safe"? |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:27:00 -
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Thats how it works for pvp. For pve you can use a ship you cant instantly recover from because you would have to be pretty stupid/unlucky to get killed in pve.
For pvp you should be able to buy 10 of them, and should in fact HAVE 10 of them already at the nearest station, because you are going to get blown up, repeatedly.
Unless you are some sort of %$#$^ coward who only flys around with a falcon blob. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:27:00 -
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The new philosophy is:
Don't fly ships for PVP |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:28:00 -
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Apparently people generally have been adhering to the philosophy of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose".
Haven't you heard?
We're all too rich apparently.
Maybe we should fly what we can't afford to lose. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:29:00 -
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You can always afford to lose a ship. You will never be totally screwed, as you can always, at the very least, have a noobship mining in 1.0 to work your way back up.
What the phrase actually means is "don't fly what you'll /emorage if you lose" or "Don't fly what you're unwilling to lose" |
Cyno Elev
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:32:00 -
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When it comes to pvp i follow the rule 100%
However, when i PvE or something i rarely follow it, like, i'm flying a 1,3 billion worth Kronos in missions atm, which means that if i lost it i would be sitting on 200m.
Now i'm back up at 1 bil so i have soon covered the cost entirely and can begin to actually earn something with the purchase. (took a week to earn those 800mil so it's relatively fast considering that it's a no-risk-enviroment :P) |
Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:36:00 -
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Actually the phrase doesn't make much sense really.
Losing a ship does not cost you anything, it is free (it even gives you some money over basic insurance at least)
It is the replacing of a lost ship that cost money, so the phrase should be:
"Don't risk what you cant afford to replace." This is actually reasonable imho, if a single loss knocks you out business you didn't do yourself or your mates a favor.
(and even that is debatable, if you don't plan on replacing something should you lose it (or can't do that - Impoc anyone?) then you are free to risk and lose it anyway) |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Apparently people generally have been adhering to the philosophy of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose".
Haven't you heard?
We're all too rich apparently.
Maybe we should fly what we can't afford to lose.
Is there anything we can't afford to lose? I mean, we're rich and all.
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:45:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned the rule only applies to a certain point. Once you have a couple bill sitting around you can afford to lose a couple battleships in a row and still not feel any real pain. Doesn't make it any less exciting to get a nice shiny faction boat and use that for the occasional skirmish though, just don't break the bank fitting it and leave enough liquid isk to get back to former riches
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice corp you got there...would be a shame if something happened to it. |
Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 10/02/2009 23:46:30
Originally by: Kahega Amielden You can always afford to lose a ship. You will never be totally screwed, as you can always, at the very least, have a noobship mining in 1.0 to work your way back up.
What the phrase actually means is "don't fly what you'll /emorage if you lose" or "Don't fly what you're unwilling to lose"
This^
something more awkwardly worded like "Don't fly a ship if it will ruin you to loose it" is more accurate..
I have flown ships headlong into PVP that I didn't have cash on hand to replace... but I had other ships to fly and the ability to easily make more money if(when) I lost it.
Things like having to have 10, or being able to buy another of the exact ship, are nice, but not really a requirement. Something I heard said once was "don't risk your ratting ship" It doesn't matter what I loose, as long as I retain the ability to do the daily stuff that needs to get done.
TL:DR: I don't undock in anything I'm not willing to loose.
Originally by: StevieSG Verone looks like data from star trek. that is all.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 10/02/2009 23:46:26 OP completely misunderstand what they're saying.
They're not saying "don't take any risks". They're saying take calculated risks.
I'm out there flying in battleships and T2 ships. But I have my missionrunning battleship sitting in a high-sec remote L4 hub so that if I ever lose my ship and my 0.0 ISKmaking assets and my low-sec missionrunner and my trade-resources and my etc etc I can still easily get my ISK back again.
I've never put more than 20% of my assets on the line at any single time (these days it's more like 5% of my assets at most at any given time), I regularly get my stuff out of 0.0 and into high-sec (it's not yours until it's in high-sec or in your wallet) so that no matter how magnificent the disaster is I can still recover and still have fun during the time I'm recovering. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Varden Gage Now be honest, how many here have never risked more than they could afford to lose?
You can always afford to lose everything and start from scratch. The saying should go : "never risk more than you can stand losing".
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:54:00 -
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every battleship i have is insured so when i loose it it doesntreally matter
i live to this rule becuae i hate making isk TBH |
Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 10/02/2009 23:56:47 This is also relevant to skill loss on t3, people say they won't fly them becuase they will perpetually be training the subsystem skills...
Don't always fly a t3 ship?
I kinda get the impression that a large portion of people in the game have only 1 ship they fly... "variety is the spice of life" (I hate that quote)
Example, If I'm screwing around in 0.0 in a t3 ship and I trip and fall on a DDD, who the hell says I have to get right back in t3 ship? I can always fly one of the other tons of ship types in the game lol
Foot note for the stupid: Mix things up and fly something besides cookie cutter FOTM |
Ottersmacker
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang "Don't risk what you cant afford to replace."
what if.. one did not want that ship anyway? |
Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ottersmacker
Originally by: Amy Wang "Don't risk what you cant afford to replace."
what if.. one did not want that ship anyway?
Well there is always the self destruct mode. Or to sell it. You're not funny. Be quiet and go away |
Ottersmacker
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ottersmacker on 11/02/2009 00:16:03
Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr Well there is always the self destruct mode. Or to sell it. You're not funny. Be quiet and go away
Games are supposed to be fun. In EVE, the main sources of fun for me are pew-pew and drama. Unfortunately self-destructing or selling an unwanted ship is usually not fun and therefore pointless within a game. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:24:00 -
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The rule applies to PvP situations. PvE is grind. Some PvP requires that people grind together, most can be done by individuals. There is no risk to losing a ship. L4 in a Rifter isn't risk. You will lose it. Simple. PvP can't be done by individuals. PvV can, where it's a hauler or other victim of chance. A Battleship against a battleship or a HAC against a HAC, never happens in EvE. The scenes of PvP make One on one a no kill arena. Just a beat me to the point of fail, then I jump or warp off or dock. Blob is a lottery. If you get primary, you are toast. No ship can or should be able to tank 15000 dps for 5 minutes.
The argument don't fly what you can't afford to lose only works when you can afford to lose alot. Can people? What does it matter? They don't want to. EvE players don't fly based on what they can afford to lose. They fly based on what they need to win. Plenty of people fly what they can't afford to lose. So they don't fight. They stay cloaked or they blob and smother the system and any gate to it with cloaked intell.
Short answer: It's a failed argument to say such things. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
Originally by: Ottersmacker
Originally by: Amy Wang "Don't risk what you cant afford to replace."
what if.. one did not want that ship anyway?
Well there is always the self destruct mode. Or to sell it. You're not funny. Be quiet and go away
i endorse ottersmacker only if he role plays ingame
he is not goign away
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.11 00:48:00 -
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Never fly a ship you can't afford to lose.
This is rule #1 for me, and for my corp mates.
It's a very good rule. |
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:24:00 -
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"Don't risk a ship you can't afford to lose"
Eve has not been like this for a long time.
The new motto is "Use whatever you want but only engage when you have no chance of losing."
Eve's PvP is more about running away from a fight and running to a gank. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito "Don't risk a ship you can't afford to lose"
Eve has not been like this for a long time.
The new motto is "Use whatever you want but only engage when you have no chance of losing."
Eve's PvP is more about running away from a fight and running to a gank.
come to the real fleet fights ;) there be no running away i either kill or get killed liek the other day
if you face overwelming odds and you die then meh , i dont run away :P
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:27:00 -
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I fly a freighter very often (in high sec) i can't really afford another one, but i'm pretty sure i won't lose it by a suicide gank and i'm not stupid enough to fly it during a war.
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:32:00 -
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Personally I feel the saying has some merit depending on the conditions.
If you just spent every last isk you have for a BS fully T2 fitted, and had to sell all your other possessions to purchase it, then yes, flying it into PvP would be idiotic.
But if you have a lvl 4 mission running ship fully fitted out and then go and spend the rest of your money on a fitted BS, who cares, you'll be able to buy another one shortly afterward.
It's all in perspective. The phrase is geared more towards noobies who switch ships often, going from a frigate to a cruiser, BC, then finally a BS. If they're constantly selling off a new ship to barely afford a new one then they are in need of that advice (read: stupid).
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:36:00 -
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Unfortunately I dont listen to the philosophy.
As such my wallet goes down to 20-30 mill after an expensive CS loss or w/e on multiple occasions.
If only misisons/ratting werent so boring EVE history
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:40:00 -
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I think the phrase should read
"Don't fly your source of income into combat"
EG, supposing you make money mission running/ratting in raven, don't fly that raven in a defense fleet. Pick another ship... even saaay a faction fit HAC or a dread and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/02/2009 01:45:19 It means, if you one day decide to PvP then leave that deadspace-fit CNR in hi-sec
- Infectious - |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:47:00 -
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It means, if you one day decide to PvP don't leave that deadspace-fit CNR in hi-sec
Only time I've really ever flown something I couldn't afford to lose was when I was trying to get my Charon full with everything I own back from Curse by myself. That was tense... |
echohead
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Posted - 2009.02.11 02:05:00 -
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Hey I always have a vealator with a civilian mining laser... |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.02.11 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Apparently people generally have been adhering to the philosophy of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose".
Haven't you heard?
We're all too rich apparently.
Maybe we should fly what we can't afford to lose.
i already do that, so it makes no difference to me |
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