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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.22 22:38:00 -
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I am going to put this idea out, knowing quite well how some will hate it, but it is something I want CCP to consider.
Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.
What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum.
I know it is a harsh idea, but seeing how some players do absolutely everything only to play for free (including botting) and yet voice their ideas and opinions everywhere might it be a good idea when there is a sub section on the forum where CCP can get at least the guarantee that everything said comes from players who have paid them money. It might give CCP a better picture of what players want and what they are willing to pay for.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Ai Shun
710
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Posted - 2012.04.22 22:41:00 -
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Getting their feedback is still useful. CCP will be able to tell how a player is subscribed. Whether they check this or if it is even relevant to them is another matter EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1299
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Posted - 2012.04.22 22:48:00 -
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Eve already has paying-customer-only forums. They're every forum other than the Trial Accounts forum. CCP actually gets a tiny bit more from PLEXed accounts rather than credit card accounts due to the fact that PLEX cost more than $15. Trying to break people up into a caste system is just stupid. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:15:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Eve already has paying-customer-only forums. They're every forum other than the Trial Accounts forum. CCP actually gets a tiny bit more from PLEXed accounts rather than credit card accounts due to the fact that PLEX cost more than $15. Trying to break people up into a caste system is just stupid. It is not a caste system. You simply have to pay for getting access to it. Such a sub forum might even have its own atmosphere different from the rest of the forum. It is at least worth a try and should not fall victim to total liberalism. We have not been heard enough by CCP in the past and it seems only fair and logical to have a sub forum without people who do not pay.
I would then not hesitate to place the entire CSM related part into it to give further meaning to the CSM. People have been complaining about Goonswarm making it to CSM or that the CSM would only represent minorities, because they think it makes the CSM a joke. Whatever the reasoning behind these complaints are do I find a CSM elected only by paying customers much more attractive than anything else.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:52:00 -
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umm, you do know scammers plex accounts quite easily, right? the dark side of eve of eve has little to no issue running the main and the forum alts full plex.
Since you say goons...here's how mittens got votes 3-4 at a time. Cap main, 2-3 cyno alts with the "jita" alt for scams/trading on it.. Cap mian spams havens, "jita" alts does the gimme 1 bil and I'll get you in goons, and spams 0.0 incurisions and finds the occassional ratter with shinies. All the isk needed to plex several accoutns right there. Or runs 0.0 PI if not enough.
If you want true paid only access....can't be plex. has to be 100% cc hit the account management screen per month. Plex....you have no quality control of member ship in the exclusive forum. All the mittens, snotshots, even derek chu's of eve....generally have no issues plexing and would be in the club as it were.
If you want quality control gonna have to leave these boards. Go to places like failheap. If you can deal with the ban 11's, the minimal post count before you even get to post in some forums....gratz you found your exclusive forum home. You get some good posts from people who don't even play the game since oddly enough...the more eve changes the more it stays the same in some regards. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:14:00 -
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Misanthra wrote:umm, you do know scammers plex accounts quite easily, right? the dark side of eve of eve has little to no issue running the main and the forum alts full plex.
Since you say goons...here's how mittens got votes 3-4 at a time. Cap main, 2-3 cyno alts with the "jita" alt for scams/trading on it.. Cap mian spams havens, "jita" alts does the gimme 1 bil and I'll get you in goons, and spams 0.0 incurisions and finds the occassional ratter with shinies. All the isk needed to plex several accoutns right there. Or runs 0.0 PI if not enough.
If you want true paid only access....can't be plex. has to be 100% cc hit the account management screen per month. Plex....you have no quality control of member ship in the exclusive forum. All the mittens, snotshots, even derek chu's of eve....generally have no issues plexing and would be in the club as it were.
If you want quality control gonna have to leave these boards. Go to places like failheap. If you can deal with the ban 11's, the minimal post count before you even get to post in some forums....gratz you found your exclusive forum home. You get some good posts from people who don't even play the game since oddly enough...the more eve changes the more it stays the same in some regards. Maybe I was not clear enough. Only accounts that are being paid with subscriptions or GTCs will have access to the sub forum. Accounts that are being run with PLEX bought through ISKs will have no access. If you pay with a subscription, but use a PLEX to avoid the cost for a month will you also lose access to the sub forum for the same duration.
What people then say on this sub forum may or may not be be different from the rest of the forum, but it will come from players who are paying for the game and are getting recognized as such by CCP, which will likely lead to a better relationship between us.
People have used their subscription to voice their opinion in the past, including me. This should stay a single incident and not become the normality and such a sub forum could be of help here to identify problems sooner.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
655
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:27:00 -
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I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Whitehound
184
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:31:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum. No. You just hate it, but you are not ruining anything. You make my point even when you do not want to. Or what is the point of paying with money when you would not want to do this for CCP, but just to stop others from posting? It is this kind of logic that I would like to see being shut out.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
655
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:36:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum. No. You just hate it, but you are not ruining anything. You make my point even when you do not want to. Or what is the point of paying with money when you would not want to do this for CCP, but just to stop others from posting? It is this kind of logic that I would like to see being shut out. Because:
A) I was partly joking, I already pay for one account by direct debit.
B) Terrible ideas like this spam the forums, ruin discussion for everyone, and bury the few decent threads that crop up.
C) Stupid people don't deserve to be sheltered from the opinions of smarter people.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Stigman Zuwadza
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:01:00 -
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I'm inclined to agree...with myself.
You'd probably find you'd be double posting if there was a private / public setup of forums, you'd only miss out on all the good posts, ideas and discussion being had on the public front.
CCP could by all means create a private forum but it would only be to humor such paying customers as you. CCP would not want the public voice quelled, quashed or diminished in any way, shape or form.
Its also a little foolhardy to think that those paying with PLEX are not as committed to Eve as you, I think every Eve player that makes it past the trial is hooked ...well maybe a little longer.
Have a good one. o7
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1348
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:23:00 -
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Yes, that's what this forum needs: divisive elitism. "Hurr durr we deserve special treatment because we don't plex."
Why do you want to punish me for 1) being good enough at eve that I can afford PLEX, and 2) being frugal enough to save my hard-earned money? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
105
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:23:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:I am going to put this idea out, knowing quite well how some will hate it, but it is something I want CCP to consider.
Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.
What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum. So, you clearly don't have any plan how the PLEX system works. Do you? |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:18:00 -
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CCP should make a subforum where only OPs who use bold text are allowed. The entrance fee should be one million US dollars, to be delivered in un-marked, out-of-sequence, one-dollar bills. Or gold bullion. Only people who have their own superyacht should be able to post, the others should be read-only. For reference, if it isn't big enough to have its own helipad, it's not a superyacht. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1246
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:48:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.
What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum.
I would support this idea if it meant us freetards were able to build block lists of all the entitled elitists who post in those exclusive forums only accessible to players who are not smart enough to pay for their game time in PLEX.
The first rule of investment applies here too: only ever spend other people's money. |
Katerwaul
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:02:00 -
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People who play the game enough to earn a plex for their character have no idea what constitutes fair/fun/creative gameplay?
Those same people don't invite friends & enrich the game for others and as such can have no game enriching ideas?
You feel entitled to have your own soap box to stand on while threatening not to pay any more money if you don't get your way in front of everyone else who pays money?
It might be number 3. Working with everyone to improve New Eden -- Internet Spaceships Iz Serious Business. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
820
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:09:00 -
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Toasting in horrible elitist idea thread. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Alain Kinsella
104
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:46:00 -
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Not going to work. In fact its likely to encourage *more* grief, since you've now created a forum that is not searchable by Google et al (therefore immune to most corporate and other background searches).
The original Second Life forum (circa 2004-2007) was setup this way, that only residents who had payment data on-file could access it. Nothing I've seen here even comes close to what I've seen over there (in particular their GD - which was eventually scrapped, after two attempts to revive it).
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:47:00 -
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Katerwaul wrote:People who play the game enough to earn a plex for their character have no idea what constitutes fair/fun/creative gameplay? You would still be able to post into the regular forums. Only what people have to say who pay for their game with money and who enabled you to play for free would not be visible to you when they post in this sub forum. They can also choose to post into the regular threads. And if the fun of EVE is important to you, then why not pay for the game?
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Toasting in horrible elitist idea thread. Paying with money for a game you like is now elitist?
Seeing the other "arguments" against the idea gives a small picture of what we might get rid off when we would have such a sub forum.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
3
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:54:00 -
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Your idea is dumb and based on "omg, all plex users are botters!!!!!". Some of us actually simply know the game very well to make isk the easy way, so they should probably listen to us more than mere subscribers. Also, you realise that people who use plex actually net CCP more income? I propose that people who use subs are only allowed to pot in a specific S(cr)ub forum. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:18:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Also, you do realise that people who use plex actually net CCP more income? No, they do not. The people who buy GTCs and who sell them in game as PLEX do. It is these players who shall be heard, and without the voices of those who cannot afford to pay for the game. CCP is a company and as such needs to make money and have a growth. While giving everyone a voice here on the forum, which you will continue to have, should one also respect the interests of CCP as a company. I, as a paying costumer then do not wish to be treated like a "cashcow" or a "freeloader" by CCP only to be forced to voice my opinion with my wallet in the end.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:20:00 -
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What if I just happen to notice one day that I have an awful lot of isk I'm not using, and plex my account a few times to save money? Do I lose access to the forums? -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
663
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:24:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:No, they do not. The people who buy GTCs and who sell them in game as PLEX do. It is these players who shall be heard, and without the voices of those who cannot afford to pay for the game. And if richer players didn't buy PLEX with ISK, poorer players wouldn't have bought PLEX with real money. The PLEX market would crash, and everyone would return to paying CCP directly or RMTing.
Whitehound wrote:CCP is a company and as such needs to make money and have a growth. While giving everyone a voice here on the forum, which you will continue to have, should one also respect the interests of CCP as a company. I, as a paying costumer then do not wish to be treated like a "cashcow" or a "freeloader" by CCP only to be forced to voice my opinion with my wallet in the end. This is the point you don't understand, the PLEX market is a massive source of income for CCP, especially since they get slightly more from those buying plex than from those paying by direct debit.
The fact that you aren't smart enough to buy PLEX with in game money, doesn't mean you have some innate understanding of Eve's core game mechanic's, or that you are more interested in what is "good for the game". Conversely, I'd argue that those among us too stupid to earn large amounts of ISK probably have a much weaker understanding of the game, and their opinion is probably of less value.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Whitehound
188
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:32:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:What if I just happen to notice one day that I have an awful lot of isk I'm not using, and plex my account a few times to save money? Do I lose access to the forums? Yes. You will have to take this into consideration when you want to stop paying CCP for their game and instead choose to play for free.
An alternative for you could be to create an alt account with your ISKs/PLEX, but keep paying for at least one (your main) account and thereby to keep your voice on such a particular sub forum.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:34:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:This is the point you don't understand, the PLEX market is a massive source of income for CCP, especially since they get slightly more from those buying plex than from those paying by direct debit. Nothing about PLEX would change. It would keep giving CCP money.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
663
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:42:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Nothing about PLEX would change. It would keep giving CCP money. It is about creating a sub forum with limited access. It is not going to affect your game in a bad way. Only the people who pay for the game can cause the game harm and therefore should be recognized and heard exclusively in a special sub forum. You just don't get it do you.
What happens if we who buy lots of PLEX, stop buying PLEX? The price of PLEX plummits? You space poor guys stop buying it, thereby paying less money to CCP, and CCP is hurt.
We are buying game time, and we are buying it through you. If I were to unsub the six accounts I pay for with PLEX, and leave only my main, this is not "good" for CCP. We drive the PLEX market, the PLEX market makes CCP money.
Understanding yet?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
3
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:57:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Also, you do realise that people who use plex actually net CCP more income? No, they do not. The people who buy GTCs and who sell them in game as PLEX do. It is these players who shall be heard, and without the voices of those who cannot afford to pay for the game. CCP is a company and as such needs to make money and have a growth. While giving everyone a voice here on the forum, which you will continue to have, should one also respect the interests of CCP as a company. I, as a paying costumer then do not wish to be treated like a "cashcow" or a "freeloader" by CCP only to be forced to voice my opinion with my wallet in the end.
1 If we don't buy your plex, you have no one to sell them to 2 subscriptions are cheaper than using plex
Those two combined means that us plex subs are GOOD for EVE while also being good for you as you wouldn't be able to buy isk otherwise, and would probably turn to RMT. You really don't understand how this whole thing works. Then again, looking at your BC entries you don't seem to understand the game as a whole.
Stop voicing your thoughts. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:25:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:1 If we don't buy your plex, you have no one to sell them to 2 subscriptions are cheaper than using plex
Those two combined means that us plex subs are GOOD for EVE while also being good for you as you wouldn't be able to buy isk otherwise, and would probably turn to RMT. You really don't understand how this whole thing works. Then again, looking at your BC entries you don't seem to understand the game as a whole.
Stop voicing your thoughts. Why not buy a subscription when they are cheaper than PLEX? The answer is simple. You do not want to pay at all, but you want others to pay it for you. You do not care that those who allow you to play for free have to pay more for it than a subscriber does, but it serves you as an argument for your own cause, which is to get as much for free as possible. This is the kind of attitude I wish to see being shut out by having a sub forum for paying customers only.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
3
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:42:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:1 If we don't buy your plex, you have no one to sell them to 2 subscriptions are cheaper than using plex
Those two combined means that us plex subs are GOOD for EVE while also being good for you as you wouldn't be able to buy isk otherwise, and would probably turn to RMT. You really don't understand how this whole thing works. Then again, looking at your BC entries you don't seem to understand the game as a whole.
Stop voicing your thoughts. Why not buy a subscription when they are cheaper than PLEX? The answer is simple. You do not want to pay at all, but you want others to pay it for you. You do not care that those who allow you to play for free have to pay more for it than a subscriber does, but it serves you as an argument for your own cause, which is to get as much for free as possible. This is the kind of attitude I wish to see being shut out by having a sub forum for paying customers only.
God you're dumb and annoying. Time to do an activity check on your whole alliance.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
664
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:45:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:1 If we don't buy your plex, you have no one to sell them to 2 subscriptions are cheaper than using plex
Those two combined means that us plex subs are GOOD for EVE while also being good for you as you wouldn't be able to buy isk otherwise, and would probably turn to RMT. You really don't understand how this whole thing works. Then again, looking at your BC entries you don't seem to understand the game as a whole.
Stop voicing your thoughts. Why not buy a subscription when they are cheaper than PLEX? The answer is simple. You do not want to pay at all, but you want others to pay it for you. You do not care that those who allow you to play for free have to pay more for it than a subscriber does, but it serves you as an argument for your own cause, which is to get as much for free as possible. This is the kind of attitude I wish to see being shut out by having a sub forum for paying customers only. And you do not want to play the game, and earn ISK like the rest of us. This is exactly the kind of attitude I would like to see shut out of the game.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Whitehound
188
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:50:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:And you do not want to play the game, and earn ISK like the rest of us. This is exactly the kind of attitude I would like to see shut out of the game. What makes you say that? I have ISKs and I pay for a subscription.
No more crappy expansions!-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired!" - CEO 'Mr. Nice' Hilmar |
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