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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:23:00 -
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let me explain how pax amarria worked
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11585
You can buy a single unit of PA for 3,328 ISK. It refined into two (2) isogen and six (6) nocxium. Iso went for 80 isk, so that leaves us with 3168 isk. Divide that by 6 and you get a price of 528 isk/unit.
Pax Amarria can be acquired in literally infinite supply, which means that any time buys went above 535 or so (taxes/couriers factor into the slight bump), you could crush them with literal infinite supply. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:24:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:let me explain how pax amarria worked http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11585You can buy a single unit of PA for 3,328 ISK. It refined into two (2) isogen and six (6) nocxium. Iso went for 80 isk, so that leaves us with 3168 isk. Divide that by 6 and you get a price of 528 isk/unit. Pax Amarria can be acquired in literally infinite supply, which means that any time buys went above 535 or so (taxes/couriers factor into the slight bump), you could crush them with literal infinite supply. excuse me there are no goatwang-shaped candle swings in this method how on earth could it possibly work |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:27:00 -
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Did I pee on your market operations? It's not common to see GS caring to look on MD, much less on my threads.
corestwo wrote:hard info on an artificially imposed cap: exactly like fortune telling
Call it as you want, the pictures were there before you guys started spamming my thread and there's numbers tagging the resistance levels: eyeballed drawn weekly resistance is 0.39 isk different than the real price.
It means - without recalling about Pax Amarria - I identified the price boxing within 0.072%. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:28:00 -
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I would like to also note that despite VV claiming he could easily see the cap the numbers "535" appear nowhere in there: he only notices 570 (the height of the surge over 535 caused by buys getting up there when everyone who knew about PA wasn't paying attention) |
Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Did I pee on your market operations? It's not common to see GS caring to look on MD, much less on my threads. corestwo wrote:hard info on an artificially imposed cap: exactly like fortune telling Call it as you want, the pictures were there before you guys started spamming my thread and there's numbers tagging the resistance levels: eyeballed drawn weekly resistance is 0.39 isk different than the real price. It means - without recalling about Pax Amarria - I identified the price boxing within 0.072%. your thread claims nocx completely ignores resistance levels
do you even read the things you post |
Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:29:00 -
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I mean I'll be honest I'd forgotten the exact details of what you said, then went back and compared it to your furious backpedling and started laughing out loud when i saw how huge the gap was |
Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:30:00 -
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bad analysis wrote:To show off how every market got its own personality, Nocxium moves quite unlike Isogen (last analysis link). Isogen often bumps into BRNs, Nocxium mostly ignores them.
Useful and thus marked BRNs are just price levels (the support / resistance lines) that happen to sit at round numbers. If price won't sit on BRNs then those BRNs are not marked, as they are ignored and useless. see |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:31:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Did I pee on your market operations? It's not common to see GS caring to look on MD, much less on my threads. corestwo wrote:hard info on an artificially imposed cap: exactly like fortune telling Call it as you want, the pictures were there before you guys started spamming my thread and there's numbers tagging the resistance levels: eyeballed drawn weekly resistance is 0.39 isk different than the real price. It means - without recalling about Pax Amarria - I identified the price boxing within 0.072%. your thread claims nocx completely ignores resistance levels do you even read the things you post
Nocx ignored most BRNs, not resistance levels. You should read better yourself. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:33:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:[quote=bad analysis]To show off how every market got its own personality, Nocxium moves quite unlike Isogen (last analysis link). Isogen often bumps into BRNs, Nocxium mostly ignores them.
Useful and thus marked BRNs are just price levels (the support / resistance lines) that happen to sit at round numbers. If price won't sit on BRNs then those BRNs are not marked, as they are ignored and useless. [/quote[ see
BRNs are a special case of price levels, they are price levels sitting also at rounds numbers.. Isogen market tends to form price levels at BRNs, Nocx does not. It's not so hard to understand. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:35:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:I mean I'll be honest I'd forgotten the exact details of what you said, then went back and compared it to your furious backpedling and started laughing out loud when i saw how huge the gap was
Gap of what? Backpedalling? I am extremely happy that without remembering about Pax Amarria I still located W R 535.39, which you may easily find in the W graph. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:36:00 -
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like seriously, reading through that "analysis" it's shocking how completely out of touch with reality it is when talking about the past, and the endpoint? "well it may go above 1000 or it may not"
BRILLIANT |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:I mean I'll be honest I'd forgotten the exact details of what you said, then went back and compared it to your furious backpedling and started laughing out loud when i saw how huge the gap was Gap of what? Backpedalling? I am extremely happy that without remembering about Pax Amarria I still located W R 535.39, which you may easily find in the W graph.
"this one line out of many I identified and ascribed absolutely no significance to at the time proves i am right now that the importance of that line has been beaten into my skull" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:38:00 -
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corestwo wrote:ps if your vaunted ta is such a good technique, why are you investing in md bonds? i mean really.
Why do you ask the same question twice despite I replied specifically to you above already?
MD bonds are effortless 5 to 10% income and diversify risk and I like to do bonds.
Let's flip your question:
"If my tecnique was so bad, why would I have so many billions to invest everywhere?" Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:40:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:corestwo wrote:ps if your vaunted ta is such a good technique, why are you investing in md bonds? i mean really. Why do you ask the same question twice despite I replied specifically to you above already? MD bonds are effortless 5 to 10% income and diversify risk and I like to do bonds. Let's flip your question: "If my tecnique was so bad, why would I have so many billions to invest everywhere?" because if you could actually produce the returns with ta you claim you wouldn't be, hence the conclusion you've got that nagging part of your brain that knows you're wrong and prevents you from putting your money where your mouth is |
Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:41:00 -
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for example, I have all my money in the two things i know are going up, besides a little walking-around money because i know what I'm doing |
Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:44:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:I mean I'll be honest I'd forgotten the exact details of what you said, then went back and compared it to your furious backpedling and started laughing out loud when i saw how huge the gap was Gap of what? Backpedalling? I am extremely happy that without remembering about Pax Amarria I still located W R 535.39, which you may easily find in the W graph. "this one line out of many I identified and ascribed absolutely no significance to at the time proves i am right now that the importance of that line has been beaten into my skull"
That line has no more importance than any other. For you who rabidly dig every exploitable opportunity it's a gold nugged, for me it's a faceless market that some time in the past stopped right there for a while.
If you actually cared to read the main thread you'd have read how I NEVER EVER claimed my method is better than knowing the ins and outs of the markets. Mine it's a generalistic approach that works well enough and everywhere. I am not interested into scavenging bits of information, learning specific markets oddities and whatsnot. That's fundamental analysts job, not mine.
Happy you have the time to perform your fundamentals analysis, I have to actually live on RL markets first, and then bother with EvE markets later. I am not going to have neither the time nor the will to become the Akita of Nocxium, sorry if you find it bad. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:44:00 -
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Since its really hard to argue again :science: I did a little science of my own and well you can't ******* argue against the data now can you
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1204/postingpredictions.png |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:50:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:corestwo wrote:ps if your vaunted ta is such a good technique, why are you investing in md bonds? i mean really. Why do you ask the same question twice despite I replied specifically to you above already? MD bonds are effortless 5 to 10% income and diversify risk and I like to do bonds. Let's flip your question: "If my tecnique was so bad, why would I have so many billions to invest everywhere?" because if you could actually produce the returns with ta you claim you wouldn't be, hence the conclusion you've got that nagging part of your brain that knows you're wrong and prevents you from putting your money where your mouth is
The only nagging part I have in my brain is: "what new stuff can I invent to help other guys"?
I know I am ALIEN to your EvE e-rich nerd mentality, I am the one who plays EvE to manage a CHARITY, imagine how much I am attached to going after the last ISK.
I will try introduce Futures too, despite I WILL have to basically give away a couple of billions to random people. Do I care? No. I do it because I like to implement futures.
Do I care to spend my life doing EvE analyses? No, because I am busy with doing it in RL. I do analyses in EvE that people ask me to do and I invest in some of them.
I also do other stuff in EvE that those who play with me in game know and it's not related with analysis at all and way less profitable, yet I LIKE TO DO THAT STUFF and I will keep doing it. Analyses and investments have their corner, but no more than that.
I am NOT after trillions of fake money, not until CCP opens legit RMT. Then we'll talk again. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:54:00 -
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Glad to see you put in the effort to create a graph dedicated to me. I would never spend so much effort for an internet unknown.
May I suggest you hide my posts in the future? Less stress on your delicate feelings. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:59:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:like seriously, reading through that "analysis" it's shocking how completely out of touch with reality it is when talking about the past, and the endpoint? "well it may go above 1000 or it may not"
BRILLIANT
Which part is out of touch with the past? A quote could help.
The endpoint? It might dawn hard on you, I am not a voodoo wizard so I have no idea what the future reserves for us.
My job is not about predicting the future, so flame away at my lack of predictions, it's something I am not meant to do!
My job instead, is about dealing with the future. I identified 3 possible oucomes and wrote down how I'd act in each of them.
Edit:
Since this method is NOT my invention but I and others put our RL wallets on the line every day by using it, I formally invite you and your corpies to post your concerns at the official RL trading forum thread where the method is presented.
While it's not the original thread (which is not in English), the method author is there and will gladly explain you:
- where my "dictionary" comes from (you find it so large). It comes from his teachings.
- how the whole stuff works.
Don't be shy, I promise we won't smack you over there Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have no idea what the future reserves for us.
first good post you made in the thread |
Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:09:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have no idea what the future reserves for us.
first good post you made in the thread
It's about 1 year that I say that and you fond out now? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.23 21:26:00 -
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no you haven't, you quit in a furious tizzy and only just came back a few months ago, if that. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:11:00 -
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corestwo wrote:no you haven't, you quit in a furious tizzy and only just came back a few months ago, if that.
Old forums Experiment #01: RL finance analysis applied to EvE thread
April 15, 2011
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:...if you were seeking for a magic future seeker you are not one the right thread. Analysis is all about probability and about finding a less risky "trade signal".
In fact correct price prediction is not just impossible, it's useless. What you can do is to setup the various scenarios with their trigger, when time will come, the right trigger will activate the right trade, the others were just possible but not happened events Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:22:00 -
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"it is useless knowing what the price will be tomorrow, today" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:37:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:"it is useless knowing what the price will be tomorrow, today"
What universe have we come down to: the one accused of voodoo future scrying explaining since 1 year ago that he can't read future, the self called rational scientists complaining about that. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:39:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:"it is useless knowing what the price will be tomorrow, today" What universe have we come down to: the one accused of voodoo future scrying explaining since 1 year ago that he can't read future, the self called rational scientists complaining about that.
i'm going to underline something in your previous post and see if you figure out what the problem is
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:In fact correct price prediction is not just impossible, it's useless. |
Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:52:00 -
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you guys are soooo on topic I could die |
Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2012.04.23 22:55:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:"it is useless knowing what the price will be tomorrow, today" What universe have we come down to: the one accused of voodoo future scrying explaining since 1 year ago that he can't read future, the self called rational scientists complaining about that. i'm going to underline something in your previous post and see if you figure out what the problem is Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:In fact correct price prediction is not just impossible, it's useless.
To you it's a problem, for me price prediction is a non factor.
There are infinite price outcomes for the future. I pick 2-3 easy ones off a library of outcomes that historically happened again and again.
Then the market does its stuff. ***If*** it decides to pick one of the "library outcomes" then I pick one of the corresponding "library decisions" matching them. That's it. No need to look into entrails or something.
To make an easier example: certain martial arts you learn to "automatically" respond attack X with defense Y and counter attack Z. This method does the same. Does using defense Y ALWAYS work? NO! But it works enough of the times to make it worth using as response to X. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2012.04.23 23:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: To you it's a problem, for me price prediction is a non factor.
yes or no, knowing tomorrows prices today is very useful |
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