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Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:30:00 -
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- Double the amount of minerals you get from refining ore.
Everyone will be happy beyond comprehension. And there will be peace in the valley. "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:37:00 -
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But the minerals that they mine, are free. Multiplying free with two gives.........? The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:41:00 -
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enterprisePSI wrote:But the minerals that they mine, are free. Multiplying free with two gives.........?
... So many minerals that nobody knows what to do. In short there are so much minerals around that its close to worthless.
Then... The Problem is solved. "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:46:00 -
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All you need is Guiness? Brilliant! -á |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:52:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:All you need is Guiness? Brilliant!
I bet that there will be many tears, and the price of minerals will be back to what i was in one year. It will go down 30-40% if any CCP just hits at this. All the stacks of minerals will go to "Waste"
hehe, even here the rage will go high... I quit post of the injustice of the worthless stacks of minerals. So, its that easy... Do It CCP ! "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:06:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:
hehe, even here the rage will go high... I quit post of the injustice of the worthless stacks of minerals many of the "bingo" players have here.
What does that mean in English? |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
33
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:10:00 -
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Liberty Eternal wrote:Slavemaster wrote:
hehe, even here the rage will go high... I quit post of the injustice of the worthless stacks of minerals many of the "bingo" players have here.
What does that mean in English?
Try to figure it out with your limited brain. "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
Bully Hedro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:32:00 -
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0/10 |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
705
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:02:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:- Double the amount of minerals you get from refining ore.
No, that's one of the worst things that could be done. The monetary inflation exists because shooting rats, for far too long, has paid more relative wealth than most other activities.
Core prices, minerals, decreased while the supply of ISK increased, now that CCP has finally decided to stop back dooring one of the root activities of Eve, mining, all that money is rushing into the mineral markets.
Had the over supply of ISK and minerals not been allowed to happen in the first place, this situation would not exist. Players are returning to the belts, gearing up for T1 module production, making reevaluations on their path in Eve.
To suddenly turn around and double the production of minerals just pushes players back to the ISK faucets.
The best thing to do for the next six months is let the inflation run its course and see where things are. Chicken with no head mode is not a solution. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:44:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Slavemaster wrote:- Double the amount of minerals you get from refining ore.
No, that's one of the worst things that could be done. The monetary inflation exists because shooting rats, for far too long, has paid more relative wealth than most other activities. Core prices, minerals, decreased while the supply of ISK increased, now that CCP has finally decided to stop back dooring one of the root activities of Eve, mining, all that money is rushing into the mineral markets. Had the over supply of ISK and minerals not been allowed to happen in the first place, this situation would not exist. Players are returning to the belts, gearing up for T1 module production, making reevaluations on their path in Eve. To suddenly turn around and double the production of minerals just pushes players back to the ISK faucets. The best thing to do for the next six months is let the inflation run its course and see where things are. Chicken with no head mode is not a solution.
Incursion and the rats was the start of the problem. or not.
- But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago. NB everything else in EVE is at the same level: Plex, Ice, faction stuff. +++
So... The Only problem is the mineral prices and its so easy to fix. CCP has to do something. The problem is even worse with T1 production.
But, lets just do it like they do it with the ICE belts then, make them so huge that they never "pops" "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
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Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:49:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:Incursion and the rats was the start of the problem. or not.
- But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago. NB everything else in EVE is at the same level: Plex, Ice, faction stuff. +++
So... The Only problem is the mineral prices and its so easy to fix.
It's really not a problem. An upward correction in mineral prices has been overdue for years. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
33
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:01:00 -
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Liberty Eternal wrote:Slavemaster wrote:Incursion and the rats was the start of the problem. or not.
- But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago. NB everything else in EVE is at the same level: Plex, Ice, faction stuff. +++
So... The Only problem is the mineral prices and its so easy to fix. It's really not a problem. An upward correction in mineral prices has been overdue for years.
Nha... Not when CCP has set a standard, a goal of :
Trit: 1 Isk Pye 4 Isk ++++
Its impossible to have mineral prices at this level for a healthy economy in EVE. The more expensive a ship gets the more "boring" this game gets for new players, pvp.
And to believe for sec that this game will be played by the next generation of MMO players who needs instant gratification, to put them in front of a rock. No.....
And BTW, the problem is that so many are stacking minerals, its not the lack of minerals. My bet is that eve use less minerals now than for 6 weeks ago. This is just a huge speculation, and CCP, if they have any guts can make the marked crash within few seconds. "Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:08:00 -
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Quote:But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago.
well, that certainly isn't the case with trit. when i checked a few days ago it was double what it was about 6 months ago. if other minerals are increasing by 20% per week (which is about 2.6% per day), then mineral yield needs balancing rather than a flat out doubling of all minerals. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
33
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:15:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Quote:But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago.
well, that certainly isn't the case with trit. when i checked a few days ago it was double what it was about 6 months ago. if other minerals are increasing by 20% per week (which is about 2.6% per day), then mineral yield needs balancing rather than a flat out doubling of all minerals.
Yeah, its a bit more that 2, but not 3 I`ll give you that.
"Do not presume to address matters beyond your competence" |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:16:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:
- But, the real problem is when mineral prices is 3x what is was for under 6 weeks ago.
3 times? So you'd be willing to buy my mexallon for the low, low price of 150 isk p/u (mexallon was 50 isk p/u 6 weeks ago)
The mineral basket (term coined by akita T iirc) has only gone up by about 20-25% from what I've seen. Once insurance rates catch up it won't be so bad. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
636
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:18:00 -
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When I started the game at the end of 2008, rookie chat's ISD promptly suggested me to go mine
I recall Trit was about 4.4+ or so, therefore the increase has not been unreasonable given the ISK inflation and bots reduction. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Silver Ott
Baxter Inc Babylon 5..
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:32:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:- Double the amount of minerals you get from refining ore.
Everyone will be happy beyond comprehension. And there will be peace in the valley.
Slavemaster wrote:
And BTW, the problem is that so many are stacking minerals, its not the lack of minerals. My bet is that eve use less minerals now than for 6 weeks ago. This is just a huge speculation, and CCP, if they have any guts can make the marked crash within few seconds.
perhaps your next suggestion is going to be to cut the mineral supply from rocks in half? |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
5
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:52:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:
Its impossible to have mineral prices at this level for a healthy economy in EVE. The more expensive a ship gets the more "boring" this game gets for new players, pvp.
I already mentioned this in another thread twice i think but here it goes again.
If existing PVPers have to scale down, so f.i. fly bcruisers instead of BS, this lowers the barrier for newer players to compete.
Also, 0.0 will simply need more miners which gives an opportunity for miners to be recruited by alliances increasing the interaction between hi-0.0.
And ofcourse mining is finally getting a viable profession (again) which will hopefully motivate new players beyond the retention mark of doom (=average months playing)
So, this all is good for new players. |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:03:00 -
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Inflation is a money supply problem, and has nothing to do with the recent mineral business. Adding more minerals won't help it at all, as others have said. Rather, what really needs to happen is there needs to be less ISK being "created" by ratting, missions, and other fun things like that. If there is less money in those activities, more players will turn to other methods of ISK-making, such as mining/manufacturing. When they do that, the increase of items (supply) will result in general pricedrops for those goods.
So yeah... nerf missions and bounties. Good god are my corp mates going to try to cruicify me if they see this post. XD - Rei |
Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
48
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:27:00 -
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Aina Sasaki wrote:Inflation is a money supply problem, and has nothing to do with the recent mineral business. Adding more minerals won't help it at all, as others have said. Rather, what really needs to happen is there needs to be less ISK being "created" by ratting, missions, and other fun things like that. If there is less money in those activities, more players will turn to other methods of ISK-making, such as mining/manufacturing. When they do that, the increase of items (supply) will result in general pricedrops for those goods.
So yeah... nerf missions and bounties. Good god are my corp mates going to try to cruicify me if they see this post. XD
trying to push people to mine is as bad as trying to push them into pvp, missioning, incursions, or whatever else. if missioners all of a sudden can no longer plex their account doing mssions, they won't just switch to mining, they'll switch to another game.
Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
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Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:45:00 -
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first of all to the OP. LOL.
now, that being said.
Inflation isn't a money supply problem, It can derive from money supply, but it can also come from increase in AD(Aggregated demand), if AD grows faster than LAS(long-term aggregated supply) you can get into a situation similar to where we are at right now, where the supply can't catch up with demand, and prices inevetibly rise.
That being said, you can add to that LAS decreasing due to the removal of bots(and the fact no one was mining, as it wasn't viable, that's a long term shift in skillpoints from miners to other aspects), the market will take time to get the skillpoints back into mining.
On a further note, No one is "pushing" anyone, anywhere. If it's your choice earning the least amount of money in the game, go rat in highsec. No one is stopping you. On the other hand, If someone increases the benefits of mining, more people will go mine, and that's simple logic.
People demand a sandbox game yet demand a fence around it. What's the meaning of change of you're limiting it's effect from step 1?
CCP doesn't need "balls" to get involved in the mineral market. They don't need to get involved at all, Let the market heal itself. if all you can afford to fly a catalyst, Let there be massive catalysts fights. Maybe new players will be able to participate now and not get stuck with a 1 year training list that's a "must" for the battleships to be effective.
Johnny |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:19:00 -
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I like miners making good isk but if it takes 2 or 3 hours to grind for a t1 BC wouldnt u just quit? Increasing the minerals you get from refining ore or using that new mining mod that gives high yeiid in 0.0 is a fix. Until we see the effect over a few months then you dont know how much to fix it. Just unsub or pve for a few months. |
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:53:00 -
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Inflation is caused by a few things, a few of them are high demand, speculation and market manipulation, for example since Crucible due to the high demand for tier 3 Battlecruisers the mineral mexallon has increased in value a considerable amount. When crucible came out most of the tier 3's where quite expensive selling at around 70m but they all drop to 50m and are not at 80m.
On monthly basis the eve economy grows at 24 trillion, for inflation to be tackled from money supply point the game needs more taxes and npc sinks. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
885
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Posted - 2012.04.23 13:39:00 -
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Dave stark wrote: well, that certainly isn't the case with trit. when i checked a few days ago it was double what it was about 6 months ago. if other minerals are increasing by 20% per week (which is about 2.6% per day), then mineral yield needs balancing rather than a flat out doubling of all minerals.
Here's a hint - mineral prices will not rise unchecked for much longer.
Right now, a hulk w/ orca boosts in hi-sec can pull in about 35M ISK of ore per hour. Which is about what a good mission runner can make per hour. Since the mission runner's income is relatively fixed (bounties and mission rewards are fixed), there's more and more incentive for players to stop missioning and switch to mining as a way to earn income.
Realistically, hi-sec mineral prices will settle back down to 180 ISK/m3 by July (maybe 150). Null-sec ores will probably end up around 500 ISK/m3 (maybe 400-450). Which is about 20% lower then today's ore values. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:02:00 -
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Why should we stop the inflation? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
224
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:00:00 -
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Soon your wallet will force you to reduce your dps and blobs will grow.
Working as intended. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:40:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:But the minerals that they mine, are free. Multiplying free with two gives.........? ... So many minerals that nobody knows what to do. In short there are so much minerals around that its close to worthless. Then... The Problem is solved.
Exactly. The problem would be fixed for about 1-2 weeks, at which point the market becomes flooded and you're right back to where you were.
Inflation isn't caused by supply vs demand, it's caused by ISK faucets vs ISK dumps
Actually, a doubling of mineral supply would cause MORE inflation as it would not stem the amount of ISK entering the system, while driving down prices. The ratio of excess money to demand would be even worse. |
Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:06:00 -
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Barakach wrote: Inflation isn't caused by supply vs demand, it's caused by ISK faucets vs ISK dumps
Sorry mate but that's a wrong statement.
inflation can be caused by supply and demand, Right now we're seeing a mixture of the two. Also, we should start calling this dog by it's name, It's not inflation, It's a price increase.
johnny |
Jack Parr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:07:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:Liberty Eternal wrote:Slavemaster wrote:
hehe, even here the rage will go high... I quit post of the injustice of the worthless stacks of minerals many of the "bingo" players have here.
What does that mean in English? Try to figure it out with your limited brain. If you cant because your intuition and logical reasoning is that of a ******, then ask your dad or your guardian.
I'm curious too. What does that mean? I asked my dad, but he told me to ask my mother. And she sat me down and helped me out. We printed your post. I then got out my favorite crayon and she told me to cross out the prepositional phrases and this is what I came up with:
hehe, even here the rage will go high... I quit post many have here.
I still don't understand what you were saying. I even drew a house and a tree on the page, but I still couldn't understand. My mom said I should come back here and ask you politely if you would explain it again for me. And that I should thank you for helping me.
Thanks.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon." -á -á-á - The Mittani |
Blobber NL
G-Spot industries
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:12:00 -
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just do missioning etc like a madman to make iskies, (and a bit of mining) and over about 6 months when the prices are low agian its pvp time whit a stockpile of ISK ^^ |
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