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21. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Salvos Rhoska wrote: Avon wrote: I'm not absolutely sure that you understand what mathematical probability means. Calculate and prove to me then the realistic probability of the CSM panel representing the entirety of the EVE population. ...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 14:25:00
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22. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Salvos Rhoska wrote: Avon wrote: You are mathematically contradicting your own argument. If you claim that the CSM can't represent everyone then you establish that at least 1 person must not be represented. You have defined that it is a non...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 14:21:00
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23. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Salvos Rhoska wrote: Avon wrote: It is just statistics mate: Even in statistics, there exists such a quantity (or lack thereof) as 0 (zero). Somethings can never happen, no matter what contrived circumstances you set as a premise for the...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 14:07:00
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24. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
If the CSM works anything like Tippia and myself then it doesn't really matter exactly how many people they represent. We had opposing points of view. We thrashed it out. We established a common ground around the subject of pie. That, dear r...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 14:03:00
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25. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Salvos Rhoska wrote: Avon wrote: --- Even that claim to a tiny margin of "can/could" has no evidence to support that it actually ever "can/could". Its an empty claim, with no method of proof. It is just statistics mate: 1/(Total numb...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 13:47:00
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26. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Let's just agree that the situation *could* arise with a probability of 1/(total number of actual players) and be done with it. It *could* happen, it is just bloody unlikely. Importantly, it isn't the case right now and any assertion to the cont...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 13:29:00
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27. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
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- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 13:18:00
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28. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Where have you proven this? In the discussion starting from where you made the claim that it was impossible and onwards. Again, the problem is that you're expecting proof that they do , when what I said i...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 13:11:00
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29. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Benny Ohu wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: I simply state that no CSM that I do not vote for, represents me. As I am part of that full representation, if I make the assertion that any of the CSM do not represent me, I have negated the possibility...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:40:00
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30. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: Yeah, and the flying spaghetti monster *may* get elected to the next CSM. Yes, but he's in an NPC corp so it's highly unlikely. I didn't say it was likely, just that it was a possibility. Much in the way you j...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:34:00
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31. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Salvos Rhoska wrote: This claim was made by her here: Tippia wrote: The 14% that vote can be a fully representative cross-section of the entire EVE population. She has not proven this to be true. For the assertion to be true a t...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:32:00
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32. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: And, once more, you are wrong. It isn't a case of Can Gëá must Gëá is; just can't. Prove it. Demonstrate how it is in every way impossible for the sample to be representative. Not just GÇ£it is likely that there i...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:22:00
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33. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: Heh, what did I say before about holding other people to a higher standard? Go on, indulge us. Post your proof. That's just it: I never claimed that they did represent the entire population, only that they can...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:16:00
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34. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: @Tippia: Prove the CSM council elected by 14% of the population, represents the entire population. Why should I? Heh, what did I say before about holding other people to a higher standard? Go on, indu...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:10:00
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35. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Actually, what I'm saying is this: The 14% that vote can be a fully representative cross-section of the entire EVE population. I know what you are saying, I'm just pointing out that you are wrong. All they can be is repres...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 12:07:00
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36. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Sure it can. After all, that's the whole point of sampling and of representativeness. Ah, I see the source of your confusion. You are mixing up statistical representation with elected representatives. You could probably even f...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 11:46:00
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37. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: Okay, you win https://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/mks/statmistakes/biasedsampling.html GǪand just because samples can be biased doesn't mean they must be. The question is always Gǣis the sample biased?Gǥ Pre...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 11:37:00
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38. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: Are you trying to hold me to a higher standard than yourself? Nope. Ok, I'll be nice to you: your key point was besides the point because it presumed I was making a different point than you thought I was making (G...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 11:33:00
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39. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: I don't have to support my claim Wrong. Are you trying to hold me to a higher standard than yourself? Seems a touch unfair.
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 11:28:00
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40. High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Avon wrote: Good try, but you missed the important bit. Nope. But nice try making it appear as if I did without offering anything to support your claim. Actually, no. It was a pretty feeble attempt. I don't have to support...
- by Avon - at 2014.03.24 11:25:00
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