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161. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Edited by: SecHaul on 05/12/2008 21:35:18 Originally by: Marn Prestoc Originally by: SecHaul ... Try using version 30 where the drones arn't bugged. And are you meant to have 2 damage mods and 2 damage rigs on the mega? ...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 21:29:00
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162. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Since Goum is now shifting his argument to the lack of drones involved in the graphs, I have added Ogre T2's to all ships in the same scenario (BC at 188m/s, 300 sig): Amarr still do the most DPS from 10km (less a small window of 11km which is st...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 21:05:00
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163. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 05/12/2008 20:47:50 Here is the thing where his eft figures fail, in a mega gang vs abaddon gang the megas will need to approach the primary to hit it, and in doing so will proly melt the aba...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:59:00
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164. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Edited by: SecHaul on 05/12/2008 20:57:13 Edited by: SecHaul on 05/12/2008 20:56:47 Originally by: Goumindong Let me be explicitly clear here 1. You're actually pretty close in damage due to damage type. 2. Its supposed to. If it...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:56:00
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165. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Jalif I am reading now just parts of it but from now on I will read every post. However I got one question (sorry if it is already answered) - - I see in the graph that the Tempest has 650mm's but I see after that also the...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:38:00
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166. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Edited by: SecHaul on 05/12/2008 20:35:01 Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: SecHaul That is the point, lasers are as efficient as Mega's and Hyperion's in short range combat in certain situations Ah ha ha ha ha ha ...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:34:00
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167. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong So why then would you not be complaining about the massive damage the maelstrom and the Raven do at short ranges? Wow, I am beginning to feel like I am talking to a child. The Mael and Raven do massive damages w...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:26:00
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168. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong What? 15-20km and you believe that unless its a heavily armor tanked battleship the laser ship will have it in its window for the greatest period of time? Seriously? Seriously? Do we have to go over the agi...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:15:00
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169. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong its not supposed to be. Just like lasers never let you be as efficient as a megathron or hyperion in their niche. It does however let you be pretty close in terms of efficiency. About 80% before figuring damage ty...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 20:08:00
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170. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong Look, it all comes down to a few things you refuse to answer. In these small gang fights, where do the fights typically start at? At what ranges do the fights typically start at? Is it under 20km? is it over 20km?...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 19:55:00
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171. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong Why is this a problem. Mid-long range turrets can only operate at high efficiencies in the short range in a large gang. And everyone can use mid-long range turrets to varrying effect. Firstly, they can operati...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 19:53:00
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172. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong I am sorry, but we just went over why that argument was false. Maybe i should have been more clear. Do you have an argument that isn't known to be false? No Goum, you are the only person in this thread, that I h...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 19:25:00
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173. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong Sorry, my mistake for not being as clear as i should. "Within the context of short range weapons" OK, I agree with this, and it's also the reason behind a lot of what I believe is the imbalance. Short range weap...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 19:08:00
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174. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong What game are you playing where the Raven has less range, DPS and EHP than the Amarr ships? EHP yes, DPS? No. Range? No. What game are you playing that Amarr don't have a disadvantage against armor tanks? Didn't w...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 18:54:00
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175. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong You keep saying that, but you never provide arguments as to why its true. "its the biggest" you say. But that doesn't make it unbalanced. "but but but the other short range weapons don't do damage that far" you sa...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 18:44:00
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176. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: maralt Blasters are close range. AC are mid range. Pulse lasers are long range. Maralt, I know you and I want similar things, however the above is not one of them. Blasters are close range, lasers are medium to l...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 18:25:00
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177. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong Within the context of what? Within the context of short range PvP there is no such thing as med range. Within the context of the entire spectrum. Short range is roughly web range. Medium range is above that to ab...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 18:21:00
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178. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong And here is where i say that it doesn't matter what you want it to me it matters what it is. What it is? What it is, is unbalanced. What I want, is for other weapon systems to be buffed to be balanced. ...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 18:12:00
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179. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong How does posting your ideal of what you want blasters to be have anything do with what the currently defined "middle range" is based on current ranges of short and long range weaponry? I have a question about ...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 17:47:00
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180. DPS graphs: BS vs. BC - in Test Server Feedback [original thread]
Originally by: Goumindong Now granted i have no clue whether or not your numbers are accurate, but are you sure we're looking at the same graphs? Relatively scorch just got cut nearly in half versus the other ammos... That isn't a "signi...
- by SecHaul - at 2008.12.05 17:41:00
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