Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I'm not sure on how practical this could be, but I'm sure it would be fun as hell with frigates.

Sure, and it is a hell lot better than walking around in stations.

Somehow does CCP think we would rather like to play with puppets than flying with joystick and cockpit. Will they ever get this?!

Sure, and it is a hell lot better than walking around in stations.

Somehow does CCP think we would rather like to play with puppets than flying with joystick and cockpit. Will they ever get this?!

Do a forum search. Technical limitations etc.

click approach and press f1 most ppl fail at this, so no, no joy stick

if you are mad feel free to send me eve mail but dont clutter my threads, ty

You do a search. The keywords you can use are "imagination" and "lack".

You do a search. The keywords you can use are "imagination" and "lack".

It is PLAUSIBLE that joystick controls could be added... but CCP would have to make the server "tick" faster ...

Irrelevant. People do not want technical details, they want a joystick in front of them and the impression that they are steering their ship. One can already fly a ship manually. It only needs for the client to accept joystick movements as input for course changes and you will have joystick control.

Why would you even want to send positional information with millisecond precision over the Internet, when you already know it is not going to do? You then work around it and make it possible with what you have got.

I still can't decide if you're a troll with a terrible sense of humour, or genuinely this unintelligent

"Opportunity cost."

It is PLAUSIBLE that joystick controls could be added... but CCP would have to make the server "tick" faster (it currently accepts a [series of] new command[s] every second... your average FPS accepts a [new series of] new command[s] every millisecond or so) which would require optimized coding, better hardware, require better connections of players, possible instancing of environments to contain lag issues, etc. etc. etc.
Basically it most likely would require a fair bit of resources that could be better spent on multiple features that will cause less problems down the road and have more value in terms of actual gameplay for more players (because really... joysticks would be useless for anything Destroyer class on up... hell... frigates are not "small" either. They are Boeing 747 sized ships).

I would also like to add that with the current state of things (with the system accepting commands only once a second) we still get Time Dialation/Lag issues in 50+ on 50+ fights. Now imagine the system having to accept multiple strings of commands every millisecond for even the smallest of "twitches" from 100+ players.

Anyhow, due to realistic limitations of servers ...

What game are you playing? Is your ship not already flying and can you not set a random course by double-clicking into empty space? I can. I must have a future version of EVE, I guess.

What then stops you from double-clicking into space every second? Nothing.

So why would this stop a client from doing the same when all the client needs to do is to translate a joystick position into a direction and pass it onto the server every second? Again, nothing.

It is perfectly doable!

You just would not get a super high precision out of it, but why would you expect this? You are already not getting a high precision out of the game. Seems to me that some here are only denying the possibility, because they either lack the imagination or they imagine it would have to be super precise for it to be fun.

Basically it most likely would require a fair bit of resources that could be better spent on multiple features that will cause less problems down the road and have more value in terms of actual gameplay for more players

Anyhow, due to realistic limitations of servers and such I agree at the moment that is a high request for such a low priority compared to current issues.

ecause you want to play x3 online instead but cba to buy it.

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sorry couldnt say that with a straight face

This is strictly my opinion... but high precision flying is the REASON I would use a joystick. If the controls and/or flying is going to be laggy I will most likely stick to my mouse and keyboard with its greater array of commands.

What then stops you from double-clicking into space every second?

So why would this stop a client from doing the same when all the client needs to do is to translate a joystick position into a direction and pass it onto the server every second?

Sure, and it is a hell lot better than walking around in stations.

Somehow does CCP think we would rather like to play with puppets than flying with joystick and cockpit. Will they ever get this?!

Walking in stations stays because it makes another game for them as they get tired of their terrible legacy product.

It is perfectly doable! You just would not get a super high precision out of it, but why would you expect this? You are already not getting a high precision out of the game. Seems to me that some here are only denying the possibility, because they either lack the imagination or they imagine it would have to be super precise for it to be fun.

WiS stays cause if they took it out all the WiS nerds would quit and theyve had enough of that this summer

Or ... WiS stays because it is one of the logical evolutions in building a comprehensive science fiction universe that caters for a variety of different play-styles in the same sandbox. (Must be a separate game though ... )

You want to tell me EVE players suddenly value immersion like it was Elder Scrolls?

If players cannot use a game mechanic to violate others then it is a dead mechanic.

Nonsense. It is a PvP game. I bet you could exchange all ship models for horses and half the players would not notice it as long as these horses make pew-pew sounds. You want to tell me EVE players suddenly value immersion like it was Elder Scrolls? Never! Ganker start hugging and kissing miners before this will happen. If players cannot use a game mechanic to violate others then it is a dead mechanic. There is however a possibility that I am totally wrong about EVE.

Nice rant. It could even be epic.

Now where in that post did it say WiS would be risk free and devoid of competition and would not embrace the concept of PvP everywhere as in EVE?

Oh right. Nowhere but your imagination? Now **** off.

For the record, I Agree with the OP I Cant see how it could strain the servers, if you left the controls still at the mercy of transveral speeds. I mean you dont need milliseconds, you need a tenth at most.

It actually rather simple to understand, one can click into open space as fast as they want, but regardless, there only one data input, so that means you are changing the packet by only a little bit, once that packet is changed, the server then does the calculations, then sends the data back to your client showing you the results of that calculations.

However you put in a joystick, thats where things get fun, as a joysticks will have hundreds of thousands of inputs, basically each one of these inputs tells the client, and then the server what direction the joystick is in. Now with these hundreds of thousands of inputs added to the equation, you are now adding to packet size, and packet load.

Now thing, with 50,000 players of average all loaded with joysticks with lets say 100,000 inputs, you just down do basic math

50,000 x 100,000

the server now has to do an extra 5,000,000,000 input calculations.... Jeeze, that is a lot of calculations for every tick

lets say one tick is every second, and the average person can do at the MOST 10 clicks a second

that means, at the most, the server is calculating 500,000 inputs every second.

So with all these people under one server, while it a lovely idea to put in a joystick, is technically possible? Not really.

Lets continue with the math.

Suppose there are 200 people in a fleet fight.
Each additional bit has to be relayed to every other person in the fight.

So we fire up the calculator and find that each additional bit per client results in an increase of (n * (n+1)) /2
So in a 200 person fleet fight adding in joystick support results in sending 20,100 bits for each bit of additional information.

Theres a good reason why most games don't do joystick control once the player count starts being measured in the hundreds

Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I'm not sure on how practical this could be, but I'm sure it would be fun as hell with frigates.

Irrelevant. People do not want technical details, they want a joystick in front of them and the impression that they are steering their ship. One can already fly a ship manually. It only needs for the client to accept joystick movements as input for course changes and you will have joystick control.

Why would you even want to send positional information with millisecond precision over the Internet, when you already know it is not going to do? You then work around it and make it possible with what you have got.

Ah this topic again. Once about every three months it rears its ugly head. Simply put; joystick mode is not EVE.

You do a search. The keywords you can use are "imagination" and "lack".

Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I'm not sure on how practical this could be, but I'm sure it would be fun as hell with frigates.

FYI, I want magical flying carpet, which also makes coffee and delivers girls. Right now. Impossible, very expensive, you say ? Irrelevant. You just lack imagination. I want it now - and for free, of course. Now go on and deliver.

Of course, it is probably pretty feasible to fit a joystick control to an existing system. It will need some work, but the outcome may appear to be negative, for two reasons.

With server still ticking at 1 second cycle, and with people accustomed to almost instant joystick response (it is what, in a range of tens of miliseconds usually ?), the perceived reception of lag will be huge. People who "do not want technical details" , i.e with I-want-it-now-you-just-suck attitude will flood forums and every gaming press with whine. Way more than now.

The second reason is rather hidden. With people accustomed to current mechanics they do not give inputs very often, there is not much reason for that and double-clicking is tiresome. With a joystick a number of inputs will increase significantly - simply because I can, or my hands are shaking. Of course, you can filter excessive input right at the client, thus reducing bandwith and server load. But then we come back to the first question - what it was for at first. You now are holding joystick instead of mouse, but nothing has really changed. Was it worth it ?

Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I'm not sure on how practical this could be, but I'm sure it would be fun as hell with frigates.

Hello Troll.

Technical limitations are a hard limit. Nothing to do with imagination.
Now, please go back to your troll-cave.

Why would you need a cockpit view when you're inside a pod?

Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I am giving you a "like". You have so few and you are trying so hard...

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sorry couldnt say that with a straight face



I own X3, all of em in fact so far... whats this online you speak of I cant find it in the game

Nice rant. It could even be epic.

Now where in that post did it say WiS would be risk free and devoid of competition and would not embrace the concept of PvP everywhere as in EVE?

Oh right. Nowhere but your imagination? Now **** off.

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Why would you need a cockpit view when you're inside a pod?

Cause I want to see the universe with my own eyes.
btw, have you ever seen a camera drone?

If so why didn't you kill it to make it's master blind and win the fight?

Sure, and it is a hell lot better than walking around in stations.

Somehow does CCP think we would rather like to play with puppets than flying with joystick and cockpit. Will they ever get this?!

Would a cockpit view and joystick configuration (frigates only) work in a game like EVE Online?

I'm not sure on how practical this could be, but I'm sure it would be fun as hell with frigates.

Irrelevant. People do not want technical details, they want a joystick in front of them and the impression that they are steering their ship. One can already fly a ship manually. It only needs for the client to accept joystick movements as input for course changes and you will have joystick control...