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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Ginger we didnt remove content. We did however add it.
Little off topic, but why where the Ship BPO Pics ever removed from the Eve Website?
Bantam. Skorpion, Raven, Thorax, Megathron, Dominix, Tempest, etc.
I thought the Pics helped to add scale and backstory to the ships in eve and without them ship crew questions inevitably pop-up in GD forum from time to time.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:23:00 -
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Every race gets a intro movie now when you roll a character in character creation that tailors to the background story a bit but its more of about current behavior than past historical deeds. =============
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The Snowman
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:40:00 -
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oh who really cares, sheesh.
You know, before CCP changed the intro movie no one EVER said ANYTHING about it! - chances are you watched it once and never watched it again and never gave it a second thought.
The new intro will be more impressive to new players and thats all that matters.
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Philex Strog
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: The Snowman oh who really cares, sheesh.
You don't apparently. But lots of others do, please don't speak for us.
thanks.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:19:00 -
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This intro, where does one find it other than on the blight that is facebook, where i will not even wish to be found dead. -----
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums. |
The Snowman
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vak'ran This intro, where does one find it other than on the blight that is facebook, where i will not even wish to be found dead.
lol!
copy your CCP directory, download the test server patch, apply it to your copied CCP directory. Load and log!
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Graisse Edited by: Graisse on 17/02/2009 09:57:35 There is nothing in the new intro about the state of the earth, the first travelers throught the hole, the colapse, etc. The intro is good, but without this key information, it's just pointless.
It's more of a TV advertising than a game intro.
Yup, new intro has binned all of that. You're now left with...
"You can't die in this game. Hey! We're WoW in Space!"
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Demeterus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Yup, new intro has binned all of that. You're now left with...
"You can't die in this game. Hey! We're WoW in Space!"
I thought the intro was a bit meh, but there's no accounting for tastes.
But that you don't die in this game isn't new, is it? Eve must then have been WoW since at least 2007 when I started playing.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 14:00:15
Originally by: CCP Ginger
Originally by: Aricaan
Originally by: Naibasak ccp have been phasing it out for a while, ever notice the day all the star system description boxes changing from interesting individual back stories about that specific system to "star system"? that made me a very sad panda =(
OMG they had that?!
Should we rally up the CSM to get this back?
No, im afraid we never did have backstories for star systems. However, relatively recently we did add descriptions for all regions in space, and a few systems that you might find on your travels.
So we didnt remove content. We did however add it.
GET THE POD.
The new regions, Drone Regions and Black Rise don't have a description though.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:25:00 -
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Didn't they already when they introduced asian bloodlines?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Elsa Heartly
Caldari Endless Celestial Exploration
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:45:00 -
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This new intro explains something to new players that wasn't obvious to me until I read "The Empyrean Age" (great book). Not everyone in the EVE universe is immortal, you are playing as the elite, the next step in human evolution. There are still billions of normal humans that will lead a regular life and simply die, some of whom never even go into space. You are different, special, cursed. You are feared by the rest of humanity. It is also a great idea to cover a necessary game mechanic, far better the coming back as a ghost and looking for your corpse.
I like the new intro but I still believe there is a place for the old one.
The new one could play when you choose to create a new character then it's followed up by the individual race intro movies. The original intro could then be played when you first log-in.
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Aselus
Amarr Crimson Right
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Posted - 2009.02.17 19:51:00 -
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I really think they should try to at least re-think keeping some of the back-story and bringing back the "on the strength of your wings the fates of empires and the hopes of worlds will be decided" it's the line that made me want to play this game and I think carries a lot of strength with it...
The thing is I think that the old intro has three important core elements:
'History of what we where'(or think we where if the book is to be believed, think of it as a quick class) 'What we are now'(Amarr rises are religious, matari are tribal, etc) 'An inspiration to lead the world'("on the strength of your wings the fates of empires and the hopes of worlds will be decided", "Take control of the destiny that is rightfully yours")
The new intro: Feels like it's forcing things... In short it makes the literary mistakes of telling the player what they will do... :-P But as a general, ignores what you are... future without present or past. Really I think what was said earlier feels correct "It feel like more of a commercial, and less of an intro".
Just my thoughts... I would probably say bring back some (if not all the history/present state from the first intro... I think it'd be better for new players to know what they are a part of and have some connection, esp since the intro isn't that long (even the old one) and is usualy watched w/ much anticipation as a new player, vs. the tutorial which is used to actually teach... If possible there are ways to make even history pretty in 3d ;-) so don't think i'm saying relegate to slides.
of course CCP could jsut be reading this and snickering their hearts out but i thought i would post my personal concerns heh.
Anyone elses thoughts?
~Aselus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman
Amarr Victor!
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BiggestT
Caldari Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.17 20:01:00 -
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I'm sorry but that intro is no where near as good as the old one.
Plz Put the backstory in it again CCP! EVE history
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BiggestT
Caldari Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.17 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Elsa Heartly This new intro explains something to new players that wasn't obvious to me until I read "The Empyrean Age" (great book). Not everyone in the EVE universe is immortal, you are playing as the elite, the next step in human evolution. There are still billions of normal humans that will lead a regular life and simply die, some of whom never even go into space. You are different, special, cursed. You are feared by the rest of humanity. It is also a great idea to cover a necessary game mechanic, far better the coming back as a ghost and looking for your corpse.
I like the new intro but I still believe there is a place for the old one.
The new one could play when you choose to create a new character then it's followed up by the individual race intro movies. The original intro could then be played when you first log-in.
Agreed tbh. EVE history
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Bethulsunamen
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.17 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Priad Regardless of whether or not eve's backstory is being changed, it is entirely up to CCP to decide whether or not to do so, it's their universe.
I know how you are thinking, but you are wrong actually. Its OUR universe. This is one of the good things about capitalism. No players = no eve online = no cash = no ccp.
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.17 20:23:00 -
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Go to the eve video section and download/watch No Other Destiny.
Now THAT is an opening (even though it wasn't).
I imagine CCP is going to have an awesome new intro for both general and race wise once WiS is out. Just imagine the ending of the intro with you walking out to your rookie ship in the hanger with the screen zooming out to give you a sense of size and the intro-guide saying:
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Ragnar Foulberg
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Posted - 2009.02.17 20:28:00 -
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I really like the old intro. I watched the new one on Facebook as wasn't impressed. The whole thing seemed rather uninspired to me, and I usually like the official EVE videos.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 17/02/2009 21:05:16
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Tippia The trailer should explain what the game is about. The tutorial should help them understand how to play. The intro should explain the universe and their place in it.
Actually have to disagree more. The intro should explain what the world is, the tutorial should help them how to play and the added stories IN the tutorial should tell about what the game is.
Far be it for me to interfere in a good argument, but I think you're both arguing semantics . That said, I'd look at it from a new player experience point of view. Forget everything you knew about EVE.
You get, in order of exposure: Intro. New character creation & racial (very very) quick intro. Tutorial. Anything else (like say Epic Storyline Missions that give some of the history - oh wouldn't that be nice).
The intro should set the scene, help you decide who and what you want to be, along with the racial intros to help you decide what race to pick since the backstory is the only real difference between them now.
I'd argue the current intro when boiled down says 'you're immortal, bunch of other immortals, go beat each other up'. It mentions nothing of consequences (founding principle of EVE in my view), nothing of the rich tapestry of EVE (even if that tapestry does have all those naked waiters doing weird things down in one corner). Strictly, neither did the first intro, but at least that one told you where you came from.
At least give a hint to the new player at the vast realms of possibility they're about to enter, and then let that hope get dashed the moment they read rookie chat . Cliched though it might be, what's wrong with the whole Black & White style 'will you be good or evil? will you prey upon the weak, or defend them?' etc.? What's wrong with the player being tempted to engage their brain?
To put my views into perspective, I'm a player that likes the backstory, so I'm the type to want to see more of it in-game versus invisible chronicles that people find out about 6-7 months after playing when someone mentions in local 'oh read the backstory' 'what backstory? why didn't anyone tell me there's a backstory?' as I have observed. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:12:00 -
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The real legends in EVE are those created by the players.
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SadisticSavior
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: SadisticSavior on 17/02/2009 21:19:37
Quote: I read "The Empyrean Age" (great book).
I had no idea until I read that, that there was an EVE novel out. Guess I wasn't paying attention.
Local book stores wont carry it though. Had to order off Amazon.
There any others I'm missing or do they plan a sequel?
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Tybalt Usra
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:22:00 -
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Into's should be inspiring they are not history lessons. This intro is pretty cool imho, good job to the guys who did it.
Let people find out the origins of the eve universe via another medium. EG: If I was making a LOTR MMO my intro sure as **** would not be the story of how middle earth got sung into creation by the gods, it would be about the epic storylines and evil dudes.
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Pestilent Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:28:00 -
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Yes.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 17/02/2009 21:31:03
Originally by: CCP Ginger No, im afraid we never did have backstories for star systems. However, relatively recently we did add descriptions for all regions in space, and a few systems that you might find on your travels.
So we didnt remove content. We did however add it.
I realize it'd be a huge undertaking to add info to each system, but some sort of history of major systems would be awesome...when it was colonized, which planets if any are colonized, major industries or other info about the inhabited planet(s), how it got its name, etc would be awesome.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.17 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 17/02/2009 21:38:59
Originally by: TraininVain The real legends in EVE are those created by the players.
I'm tired so forgive the slight tangent.
<Idealistic response> Wouldn't that be nice. </Idealistic response>
<Sarcastic response> Yes, we're all individuals! </Sarcastic response>
<Realistic response> Forgive me, but in my view, you're confusing memories with legends. Legends are things that everyone knows a bit about, oft whispered or half-remembered. What EVE players mostly have are memories of what they did and got up to, and like to tell other players about loudly, preferably badly-spelt and whilst drunk.
Mo0 camping the high-sec gates and causing CONCORD to be made untankable - memory or legend or just plain happenstance? Depends who you ask. Most newer players will say 'Mo0 who?' and move on, not caring in the slightest. Does it make their exploits (pun intended) less valid? Not at all, but the story is their own, intended for themselves, not for other people. They had fun, and they'll have good memories, but that doesn't suddenly make it vital that everyone else knows, nor does it imply others will necessarily care further down the road.
Much as players like to have an inflated idea of their impact on the game, in truth, very few players have any impact that anyone else really cares about (in the grand scheme I mean). Sad but true. There's at least 200000 of us out there; not all of us will forge a new EVE.
Like so much in the MMO world, if you weren't there, it didn't happen. The backstory by comparison, even if with its flaws, survives and indeed, looking at Abraxas' chronicles, thrives. I know which horse I'd back. </Realistic response> ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Jove X
Dragon Highlords
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Posted - 2009.02.18 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jove X on 18/02/2009 00:16:25
Originally by: CCP Ginger No, im afraid we never did have backstories for star systems. However, relatively recently we did add descriptions for all regions in space, and a few systems that you might find on your travels.
So we didnt remove content. We did however add it.
Well, Ok.
But that doesn't really refute what the Op has said. EVE use to have Aurora run events that progressed the story in interesting ways, with player input .. Devs use to role play Jove ....
.. and speaking of the Jove, we know they've been dangled in front of the user community for so long but not actually introduced because CCP (you guys) have't come to agreement internally, what to do with them .. .. how long exactly, does it take to resolve that issue internally? ..
And then there is the .. clean up back story inconsistencies as best as possible .. while introducing new ones .. such as .. Lady Jamyl Sarum surviving the succession ritual and disappearing .. only to become empress ... What happened to the other heirs? (They are still alive?) What exactly did Khanid 2 do that caused him to get shunned out of the empire to the point where he had to create his own kingdom? (Didn't he also survive the ritual of succession and refuse to kill himself? Why exactly is he still external to the Amarr empire - given the fact that he is now, not the only heir to have survived succession?)
I think the Op is correct - the back story is in poor shape .. and it's not obvious what exactly is being done to fix it.
Having said that - keep up the excellent work on the technical fix's and the rolling out of new game features!
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:10:00 -
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If I want backstory that is actually good, I'll read a book. If I want backstory at all, I'll still read a book.
MMOG's do not, never have, and never will need backstory, and what backstory they do have is total crap anyway, so why bother? _________________
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Jove X
Dragon Highlords
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista If I want backstory that is actually good, I'll read a book. If I want backstory at all, I'll still read a book.
MMOG's do not, never have, and never will need backstory, and what backstory they do have is total crap anyway, so why bother?
Says one voice - who appears disinterested in the RP aspects.
You don't see a need for a back story? Fine. Ignore it. There are those who do however, and you can ignore them too when they ask for the standards to be a bit higher than they are.
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Vendrin
Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.02.18 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista If I want backstory that is actually good, I'll read a book. If I want backstory at all, I'll still read a book.
MMOG's do not, never have, and never will need backstory, and what backstory they do have is total crap anyway, so why bother?
Depends on who you ask. The only reason I still play EVE is for the story. Does that make reason for playing any less valid then yours? Don't speak for others.
Honestly I hope they keep the old intro, it was awesome. _______________________________
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Aselus
Amarr Crimson Right
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Posted - 2009.02.18 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jove X
Well, Ok.
But that doesn't really refute what the Op has said. EVE use to have Aurora run events that progressed the story in interesting ways, with player input .. Devs use to role play Jove ....
uhh I was talking about them burying the story.. but yes, the general weave of the story has been redced. CCPs explanation is that this is because there are far too many players now and a lot of them would feel 'left out' if events where to happen without them. My opinion? CCP should have a tier/round robbin system specific to an event to decide who gets to participate. i.e.:Ascension Tournament could have very well been a giant elimination t2less frigate tourney per house (t1 frigates let everyone participate that wants to, there are multiple options[each heir])..etc... I just think they're not being as smart about it as they could be. (Aurora is volunteer so don't quote money as an obstacle)
Originally by: Jove X
.. and speaking of the Jove, we know they've been dangled in front of the user community for so long but not actually introduced because CCP (you guys) have't come to agreement internally, what to do with them .. .. how long exactly, does it take to resolve that issue internally? ..
They've ignored them since they said they where gonna let us be them all those years back... because they would be OP... but considering the last chapter of the book I think CCP might bring them back w/ new ideas in mind.
Originally by: Jove X
And then there is the .. clean up back story inconsistencies as best as possible .. while introducing new ones .. such as .. Lady Jamyl Sarum surviving the succession ritual and disappearing .. only to become empress ... What happened to the other heirs?
at the end of the Ascention tournament all heirs whos champions lost, pressed the self destruct button on their ship, including Sarum. Sarum just committed a heresy in that she was cloned(something not allowed to those of the blood, as it taints their pureness)
Originally by: Jove X
(They are still alive?) What exactly did Khanid 2 do that caused him to get shunned out of the empire to the point where he had to create his own kingdom? (Didn't he also survive the ritual of succession and refuse to kill himself? Why exactly is he still external to the Amarr empire - given the fact that he is now, not the only heir to have survived succession?)
He refused to press the button and warped out :-P... simple. Everyone got mad at him, the Khanid kingdom splintered from the empire.
Originally by: Jove X
And what's with giving Society of Conscious Thought frigate (SOCT1 - showinfo://3751) as Apotheosis, which are new items with new showinfo numbers (showinfo://29266), no longer frigates but shuttles?
This makes it seem like this item's role was reworked and given as a gift to the player community as an after thought.
It's an Aniversary gift .... :-P nothing wrong with that they did it with the Magnate models as well, as ships die out it's worth it to re-use them I think.
Originally by: Jove X
I think the Op is correct - the back story is in poor shape .. and it's not obvious what exactly is being done to fix it.
Having said that - keep up the excellent work on the technical fix's and the rolling out of new game features!
Ehh i didn't so much say it's out of shape.. I more said they're trying to bury it under the rug and replace it a-new.. but to be honest.. yes I think what has gone on as of late (especial with the Sarum debochle) is an insult to those of us who have followed the story thus far *shrugs* but that has already been discussed at length and it's obvious that CCP doesn't care...
Anyone think that ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman
Amarr Victor!
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Jerik Havo
Caldari Tankt
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista If I want backstory that is actually good, I'll read a book. If I want backstory at all, I'll still read a book.
MMOG's do not, never have, and never will need backstory, and what backstory they do have is total crap anyway, so why bother?
...EVE does have a book. Linky.
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