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bigred monkey
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: bigred monkey on 23/02/2009 15:42:35 caught this from a corp mate on sch. brings a lot of thoughts to my mind to se an experi3enced and extremley helpful guys have this happen to him 'Here is the timeline how I had 4 accounts banned for accepting a public contract on one character....
2/13/09 = I accept a 1million isk contract from some guy blabbing that he's leaving game in local. Happens to be a bob guy, so I think nothing of it and accept the contract, look at the contract briefly....looks to be a bunch of ammo and junk several jumps away. Think nothing of it and keep going along. Note: Several others in local accepted contracts as well.
2/20/09 = GM Zworm puts that account in a temporary ban while they investigate the matter. Apparently the account was hacked, lost a bunch of isk. Of course, I offer my assistance with the matter, mention (with acount names) that I have several (4 in all) accounts and that I play by the rules. No reply yet.
2/21/09 = GM Nova Perma bans the other 3 of my accounts for hacking. The reason "The case is clear enough to warrant a permanent ban." No other details....smacked with the ban hammer and there goes 5 YEARS of training. I wrote a well written long reply focusing on how there must be a mistake made somewhere and that I'm willing to help figure out where the problem is. I wrote and additional supplemental reply 24 hours after that. No reply as of this post.
This is a problem. If someone that has put 5 years of skilling and over 7,000 USD in subscription fees into a number of accounts can get banned this fast over something so simple...I would be questioning who's doing the banning. CCP has shown me no evidence and has yet to even honor a response to my appeals.'
perhaps a gm will se this post and actually look into it in proper detail.
surley we have ip tracing theese days for when characters log in
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Rordan D'Kherr
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:47:00 -
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Well, that s*cks really. If an accepted contract will lead into a ban, I won't take contracts anymore
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Maitscho Long
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:49:00 -
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ohh m8t feel sorry for you i guess i cant haz your stuff anymore then?
I hope the stuff gets solved!
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Amilor
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:50:00 -
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Please sort this ASAP CCP
Amilor |
Trustus
Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:50:00 -
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ccp need to look into this alot more than they have as accepting a contract form whomever can get u bnanned , another caser of guilty to proven innocent, really bad show ccp think u need to take a look @ yourselves,
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:51:00 -
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Sucks.
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Dan Grobag
Caldari French Empire Squad
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:55:00 -
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You've got bannordokken'd !
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Kate Mayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:55:00 -
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SkyLordUK
Amarr Baptism oF Fire B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:55:00 -
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jesus i think everyone should stop making contracts if it leads to a chance of getting banned
Nova what the hell are you doing???? banning someones accounts for accepting contracts and not giving tangable proof why his other accounts got banned ?????
Sky.
P.S. i will not be accepting contracts or making them for matter if it attracts the ban hammer
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Framus McSexy
Gallente Warped Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:57:00 -
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THIS SUX BALLS!!! CCP GMs strike again... Seems they can just do what ever they feel like when ever they feel like with out ever having to justify their doing...
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Angelus Blackheart
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:58:00 -
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Fail CCP?
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Keeper's Trader
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:00:00 -
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Fail ? more like EPIC Fail
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:00:00 -
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surely you jest, i mean, what the fudge? i really hope this was a mistake or something..
i'll be very careful of contracts now, apparently they are not safe from the random banhammer --- return the mines!
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Kiay Stryx
Gallente Phoenix Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:01:00 -
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Bad form CCP.
~Stryx
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Annalynn
saber rider and the star sheriffs
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:02:00 -
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afaik this happened quite alot in the last say year+.
ccp's competence in these sorts of investigations is really really poor.
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Meloniac Xaviar
Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:03:00 -
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You could atleast provide the guy with what type of evidence you have collected.
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Selorian
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:03:00 -
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This is indeed confusing, if events unfolded as you say; how were you to know the account was hacked? Simple, you can't- no-one can, surely CCP can exercise common sense?
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:05:00 -
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It sucks, doesn't it? too bad you can't do anything else _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:08:00 -
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And the reason everyone swallows what he says as 100% truth is...?
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:08:00 -
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I was under the impression, that you can always escalate to get your answers and if you don't get them, you can report the issue to internal affairs. ****ty thing to happen, if you are telling everything(you might be the most honest person ever, but for me you're just a random internet guy with possible alts), but I'm not sure what you expect this to achieve? Surely you tried the internal affairs route before trying to rouse the rabble to do, whatever you are trying to do, but the timeline suggest that you have not.
Hope you get this resolved fast anyway. I would propably panic too, if something similar happened.
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Kiay Stryx
Gallente Phoenix Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw And the reason everyone swallows what he says as 100% truth is...?
Why not? Sounds reasonable enough. Unlike most trolls, forum alts, that post in GD.
~Stryx
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:18:00 -
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Surely GM's aren't that dense.
I'll believe it when I see a GM/CCP openly admit a mistake was made here. (of which there's probably a 99% chance that won't be allowed to be made public in such a case)
OP deserves benefit of doubt it seems, as he's challenging them to show why he deserved what he got.
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Mike Vandenberg
Caldari Virtual Structure Management
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:25:00 -
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Well, looks like GM Nova singlehandedly killed the contract system. Nobody will accept a contract from now on, when this incident gets known beyond just this boards.
Mike Vandenberg
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:32:00 -
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Might be real, in which case it is really bad from CCP.
However we have also seen enough of such topics (usually isk buyers), where in the end the result is that they were lying and ccp was right. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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bigred monkey
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:36:00 -
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i have personally flown with this guys for years, he runs servers from some of the biggest alliances and entities ingame. if he wanted to break eula then he could of done something worthwhile and notable in the first. insyead i think what he recieved was for about 5mil, so yes, i trust my corp mate. he has no reason to lie
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Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:38:00 -
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Isnt there any form of legal action you can take agenst ccp.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:39:00 -
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surely they only have justification in banning accounts associated with the IP that hacked the BoB players account ? To ban those accepting a random contract in local would mean 1 of 2 things....either they have some proof of collaboration between the haxor's IP and this guy's IP (which would be very hard to obtain) or they are being ridiculous and banning everyone that randomly came into contact with the haxor.
Assuming the guy is telling the truth it sounds like a quite worrying overreaction on CCP's part.
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Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:39:00 -
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more often than I'd like to admit, I get the feeling that CCP does not treat us as paying customers which in turn should be treated with the respect and customer service as one could expect.
As in this example... he's a long paying customer and has spent great amounts of money to be a customer yet he gets banned for this, without discussion? what kind of poor customer service is that?
CCP: pls show improve in this matter. If I were my friend who has this problem I would call CCP and demand a thorough discussion.
This is simply not acceptable --------------------------------- "I robbed a goon and I liked it" - Suas |
Mike Vandenberg
Caldari Virtual Structure Management
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G Isnt there any form of legal action you can take agenst ccp.
No. With acceptance of the EULA you have forfeited all rights on everything within and around this game, from legal point of view.
Mike Vandenberg
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:42:00 -
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Wow. If true (and I'm at least a little skeptical), you can bet I won't be using contracts ever again.
Corp killboard
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Mike Vandenberg
Caldari Virtual Structure Management
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen more often than I'd like to admit, I get the feeling that CCP does not treat us as paying customers which in turn should be treated with the respect and customer service as one could expect.
CCP has some kind of help desk. Customer service is an alien concept to them.
Mike Vandenberg
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Winters Chill
Amarr Mutants And Outcasts
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:44:00 -
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They probably traced his IP and found that the IP he used was the same IP that temporarly logged on to the hacked account. I would imagine that how they usually catch account hackers.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:48:00 -
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while i do think we need to be rough on cheaters, this is a nice example of it going too far, while it would be great to completely abolish all cheating, i dont think anyone wants to risk being banned by surprise, and worse yet, not being told why
i still have trouble believing that ccp would do that.. hopefully we get an official responce on this.. --- return the mines!
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GM Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:53:00 -
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Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
Feel free to use the contract system as much as you like, it is as safe as ever.
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Eraza i still have trouble believing that ccp would do that.. hopefully we get an official responce on this..
Considering that CCP's policy is not to discuss GM decisions publicly, I am afraid that will not happen.
Good luck to the OP. I hope this problem gets solved!
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard
...As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system....
@OP So you come to the forum to complain about this, which i normally would understand but it seems you are not telling everything. Looks like in the end its like someone allready said and it is not the fault of CCP but of your friend.
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RustyPwnStar
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
Feel free to use the contract system as much as you like, it is as safe as ever.
Excuse me for being sceptical, but...... with the track record GM's have, I'll not be using the contract system, until we know all the facts.
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Xenuchrist
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Rabble
Originally by: GM Guard Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
^^ And on that bomb shell... /Clarkson "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |
Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:05:00 -
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Posting here in support of my corpmate and a great person as well. I've personally seen this guy trusted with BILLIONS of isk worth of assets at times with no worry. I've even trusted him with everything I owned at one point to get it moved proper, and it was with no worry.
First of all, GM Nova has killed the contract system. I will no longer use contracts for any of my characters/accounts now if this is the end result of what happens nor do I think that I'm the only person that'll feel this way.
Second, I would suggest that the guy effected e-mail: [email protected] with a full description of what happened, and a link to the SCH thread, PLUS this one as well. I will be supplying him this information/suggestion outside of game, so editing my post will do nothing btw.
Third, if this guy was involved with account hacking, I would think that he'd do something a little better than just a 1mil isk contract for random ammo and junk. Like maybe take down The Mittani's account or something. -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:07:00 -
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Relax guys.
GM Guard knows what he is doing.
The logs, they seem to show something this time.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:10:00 -
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If you want to create a circle jerk complain chain, you should at least try to not make it so freaking obvious. That or join goonswarm. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:10:00 -
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Don't accept candy from strangers.
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LeeBaak
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Third, if this guy was involved with account hacking, I would think that he'd do something a little better than just a 1mil isk contract for random ammo and junk. Like maybe take down The Mittani's account or something.
Unless this was just a test transaction to see if an exploit/scam would work and/or be traceable.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/02/2009 17:15:46
The OP is telling the whole truth and the whole story. How do I know this? Because I can feel it in my gut. It's simple logic, really. There is nothing else to this story, just the one side the OP presents. And that's good enough for me.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:16:00 -
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Careful with accusations about 'being innocent and getting banned'. There is track record of getting pwned hard by actual facts.
If you really are innocent you will get cleared in escalation process and time you spent banned is added to your account as compensation. So the bottom line ? If you end up banned after the escalation process you deserved it.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:19:00 -
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so, it does appear we don't have the whole story, as many suspected.. --- return the mines!
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:20:00 -
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I think it'd be reasonable to expect that if somone gets banned, even temporarily, for accepting a contract, then maybe you shouldn't use contracts. I can believe there's more to the story, but in the end, if it turns out that this was an inappropriate use of the banhammer, the contract system is tainted permanently, because even if you get unbanned, that's a hell of a hit to take.
I dunno. Like I said, I tend to be very skeptical of such claims, because so often it's a poor attempt to hide actual guilt. CCP is kind of hosed too because they can't discuss it specifically, so it's always "ZOMG they're covering it up!" or whatever from the rabblers.
In the end, a simple "Yes, this was a confirmed case which warranted the action taken and has been reviewed and upheld" OR a "This has been reversed and we're going to work at not letting a similar incident occur, because we recognize the impact such actions can have on your in-game experience and trust of its systems" would be appropriate.
Corp killboard
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:23:00 -
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Im going to wait until I hear the side of the story with all the information. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex Careful with accusations about 'being innocent and getting banned'. There is track record of getting pwned hard by actual facts.
Ah… how I loved those "omgz, why do I have -5bn in my wallet?! I r teh innocents!" posts. We need more of those. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GǪ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Kaneda Tetsuo
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:29:00 -
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WTH???? if this person was banned for accepting a contract from a 'dodgey account' then this indeed is the end of contracts. i accept contracts from those i dont know all the time. How are you supposed to know the character/player/account 'legality' before you accept it?????
So it seems...
Accept any contract = Risk of account ban.
wth
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Trustus
Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:30:00 -
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this all started with 1 of his accounts that they banned, he then sent them all his account to show that he wasnt hiding anything from them & handnt received anything to his other accounts, they then turned round & said thnx we are banning all accounts linked to you,
Originally by: GM Guard Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound
he has be forthwith will all his accounts & far as he is concerned he has nothing to hide from any1
Originally by: GM Guard we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
he has eve & e-mailed you a number of times as per ccp still are as helpful as ever & he is still awaiting replies to his petitions
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Alicya
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:31:00 -
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@ the 2 GMs who "looked" into it... do yer job dudes for once, STOP pretending ure working. Epic fails i tell ya.
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Psycho Death
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:32:00 -
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If i remember i got told about this guy and he had used his teamspeak ownership to find every users password. He then attempted every login using the teamspeak password with what he guessed to be account names. Maybe this is why?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:37:00 -
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Generally speaking if you still get the ban hammer after the escalation process.... you earned it.
Good luck though OP, just have patience. The GMs do a great job and really do work hard to make sure everything is righted in the end if it ends up being the case. |
Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Psycho Death If i remember i got told about this guy and he had used his teamspeak ownership to find every users password. He then attempted every login using the teamspeak password with what he guessed to be account names. Maybe this is why?
well, if that's true, then he was obviously banned for that, and it has nothing to do with contracts directly --- return the mines!
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Aveng3X
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aveng3X on 23/02/2009 17:41:12 Come on CCP, 5 years of skill training and 7000 USD for a mere 5 million ISK (or thereabouts?) This makes no sense. Stop assuming he's the bad guy and that he knows exactly what he's being accused of and give him an explanation.
Loads of people use the same IP, and do you think that a veteran player of 5 years would honestly disrespect the game in the way that you're accusing him?
Good luck Maladrax. __________________________
Any views expressed are not necessarily the views of my corporation or alliance.
YARR! |
Lusin Gando
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:42:00 -
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Dear CCP, if anyone get a bann for accepting a contract, plz delete jita sins all in there will get banned, and u, CCP, will loose about 1000 customers. In fact just bann all that has used a contract, and be done with it!
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Lusin Gando
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: GM Guard Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
Feel free to use the contract system as much as you like, it is as safe as ever.
Why don't i trust this guy............
In petiton we trust
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:44:00 -
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Damn bigred that sucks bigtime, i cant see why they should ban you, we all know you personally and you do not deserve this at all. Hopefully ccp will come to their sense's and restore your accounts. Best of luck dude
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:48:00 -
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I once scanned down a missionrunner in lowsec and blew him up.
Then i got all my 30 accounts banned for beeing "lame"
OHMYGODDON people be aware of the fact that scanning down and killing missionrunners in lowsec might get you, your friends, your family und your wiener banned.
this is a true story!!!
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Tananda Vaakaja
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:49:00 -
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Simply for this issue to MAKE it as far as the forums indicates something is seriously wrong here. If there is even the SLIGHTEST chance that I could have an account banned because I ACCEPT a contract then using contracts is now verboten for me, and I'll make sure that all Alliance and corpmates know of this danger as well.
CCP, I know you're trying to do a fair job, but when a situation like this occurs it shakes our confidence in your system.
Pls keep us updated on this issue.
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Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: Psycho Death If i remember i got told about this guy and he had used his teamspeak ownership to find every users password. He then attempted every login using the teamspeak password with what he guessed to be account names. Maybe this is why?
well, if that's true, then he was obviously banned for that, and it has nothing to do with contracts directly
Obvious Goon alt is obvious. -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Trustus
Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seetesh Damn bigred that sucks bigtime, i cant see why they should ban you, we all know you personally and you do not deserve this at all. Hopefully ccp will come to their sense's and restore your accounts. Best of luck dude
wasnt monkey was maldrax
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Seetesh on 23/02/2009 17:53:30 poor maladrax
This really exposes the vunerabilities in the contract system if an account can be banned when the accepti' was inoccent of any said crimes.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: chrisss0r I once scanned down a missionrunner in lowsec and blew him up.
Then i got all my 30 accounts banned for beeing "lame"
OHMYGODDON people be aware of the fact that scanning down and killing missionrunners in lowsec might get you, your friends, your family und your wiener banned.
this is a true story!!!
I have a gut feeling this is a lie.
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Hector Biggz
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:54:00 -
[66]
Everyone please stop using contracts so I can set my WTB contracts even lower and make even more stupid amounts of Isk without undocking.
Thanks in advance.
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: chrisss0r I once scanned down a missionrunner in lowsec and blew him up.
Then i got all my 30 accounts banned for beeing "lame"
OHMYGODDON people be aware of the fact that scanning down and killing missionrunners in lowsec might get you, your friends, your family und your wiener banned.
this is a true story!!!
I have a gut feeling this is a lie.
Of course its a lie this guy is just trolling.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Obvious Goon alt is obvious.
just WHO are you calling a goon alt here?
i guess common sense, isnt --- return the mines!
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Trustus
Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:55:00 -
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i also want to point out that the petition system is u are guilty till proven innocent, u have no knowledge of why you are banned, you can not prove your innocence as they dont show you any *evidence* of your indisgressions, just apply the ban hammer "as we own the game, we are in infallible we are ccp"
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xXxHerozxXx
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:57:00 -
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Come on CCP, 5 years of skill training and 7000 USD for a mere 5 million ISK
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Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trustus i also want to point out that the petition system is u are guilty till proven innocent, u have no knowledge of why you are banned, you can not prove your innocence as they dont show you any *evidence* of your indisgressions, just apply the ban hammer "as we own the game, we are in infallible we are ccp"
This.
I have heard stories over at SCH about the exact same thing happening to people that weren't violating the EULA and had no chances to try to provide anything in their defense because CCP wouldn't provide proof of their reasonings behind the banhammer.
Heck, I've even heard a story about how someone was perma'd for macro mining merely because a GM typed in the wrong name. He asks in the petition "What'd I do?" and gets a reply of "You know what you did". Actions like this in addition to Maladrax getting perma'd when he had no reason to be just smacks of unprofessionalism on the GM's part, in my opinion. -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:58:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Trustus i also want to point out that the petition system is u are guilty till proven innocent, u have no knowledge of why you are banned, you can not prove your innocence as they dont show you any *evidence* of your indisgressions, just apply the ban hammer "as we own the game, we are in infallible we are ccp"
I have to agree with you there, the current system keeps you in the dark and has a poor respone time. Obviously they need to take action and to investigate but why ban his other accounts. Their current system really needs work in the way of better customer service and resolutions that dont make you look like the criminal.
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Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:58:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Obvious Goon alt is obvious.
just WHO are you calling a goon alt here?
i guess common sense, isnt
The 2-year NPC alt that "claimed" he heard about how Maladrax was using TS login passwords to attempt to hack accounts. -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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dan drorgar
Minmatar Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:00:00 -
[74]
If there is "more than meets the eye" in this case, CCP better cough it up.
It's irresponsible to post a public reply with no facts at all, just to display CCP's complete disregard for their customer's legitimate concerns (yes, us corpmates are customers also).
It also leads to speculation in various directions as well as insecurity and doubt regarding the contract system (sure, it's "safe as ever" because you say so, just like there is "more than meets the eye" because you wrote it).
I really can't think of a valid reason why CCP would not post any sort of proof or further details to at least try not to make this case look like a case of "we couldn't be arsed to investigate thoroughly, so we just banned everyone who got stuff from the hacked account - case closed".
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:00:00 -
[75]
Sooo, an ISK buyer got banned and the forums are rabbeling about it? Since when does the general eve-o forum ***** support isk buyers? _
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Lord Ralphy
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:00:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Heck, I've even heard a story about how someone was perma'd for macro mining merely because a GM typed in the wrong name. He asks in the petition "What'd I do?" and gets a reply of "You know what you did". Actions like this in addition to Maladrax getting perma'd when he had no reason to be just smacks of unprofessionalism on the GM's part, in my opinion.
I would escelate the matter to a senior GM who would look at the matter in a more professional manner.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:01:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
The 2-year NPC alt that "claimed" he heard about how Maladrax was using TS login passwords to attempt to hack accounts.
aah, i was surprised you quoted me instead of quoting him directly :) --- return the mines!
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Psycho Death
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:02:00 -
[78]
And you are positive I am incorrect? Ask people in your corporation I am sure someone will remember it. He remembers it himself I bet, not that he will admit it.
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Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:03:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
The 2-year NPC alt that "claimed" he heard about how Maladrax was using TS login passwords to attempt to hack accounts.
aah, i was surprised you quoted me instead of quoting him directly :)
OMG! Did I? My apologies, thought I was quoting him. Psycho Death was the person in question I meant to quote, sorry about that. -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:06:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Tobin Shalim This.
I have heard stories over at SCH about the exact same thing happening to people that weren't violating the EULA and had no chances to try to provide anything in their defense because CCP wouldn't provide proof of their reasonings behind the banhammer.
Heck, I've even heard a story about how someone was perma'd for macro mining merely because a GM typed in the wrong name. He asks in the petition "What'd I do?" and gets a reply of "You know what you did". Actions like this in addition to Maladrax getting perma'd when he had no reason to be just smacks of unprofessionalism on the GM's part, in my opinion.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:07:00 -
[81]
Originally by: xXxHerozxXx Come on CCP, 5 years of skill training and 7000 USD for a mere 5 million ISK
If that is all he got from hacking an account, he truly deserves the ban. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:08:00 -
[82]
Originally by: GM Guard Hi everyone.
As is often the case, there is more to this than meets the eye. The matter in question is a bit more complicated than the original post makes it sound and we will continue discussing it with the owner of the banned accounts through the petition system.
Feel free to use the contract system as much as you like, it is as safe as ever.
As is so often the case in these forum dramalamathreads.
I await developments with interest.
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dan drorgar
Minmatar Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:08:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Sleepkevert Sooo, an ISK buyer got banned and the forums are rabbeling about it? Since when does the general eve-o forum ***** support isk buyers?
You completely missed the topic, stop posting.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:09:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: chrisss0r I once scanned down a missionrunner in lowsec and blew him up.
Then i got all my 30 accounts banned for beeing "lame"
OHMYGODDON people be aware of the fact that scanning down and killing missionrunners in lowsec might get you, your friends, your family und your wiener banned.
this is a true story!!!
I have a gut feeling this is a lie.
Nah, that guy seems legit
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:10:00 -
[85]
Tobin Shalim: heh, np :)
on the op, i'm starting to think the issue is, that the guy putting up he contracts, was hacked by an isk seller, and they suspect he knew that
what excactly was in that contract btw? --- return the mines!
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Seetesh
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:10:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: xXxHerozxXx Come on CCP, 5 years of skill training and 7000 USD for a mere 5 million ISK
If that is all he got from hacking an account, he truly deserves the ban.
He wouldnt have hacked the account hes a really good guy really and gives so much to his friends so in reality he is an inoccent 3rd party. Im sure the other players who got banned are also inoccent. Of course the method employed is a known method for getting peoples accounts banned and is used all too often by griefers.
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Erin Davis
Caldari GHOSTCORPS MERCHANT MARINES Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:10:00 -
[87]
Since i have no melodramatic stories to look cool with, just saying Epic Fail for ccp.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:11:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja Simply for this issue to MAKE it as far as the forums indicates something is seriously wrong here. If there is even the SLIGHTEST chance that I could have an account banned because I ACCEPT a contract then using contracts is now verboten for me, and I'll make sure that all Alliance and corpmates know of this danger as well.
CCP, I know you're trying to do a fair job, but when a situation like this occurs it shakes our confidence in your system.
Pls keep us updated on this issue.
Crying on the forum when banned is common in most online games. Especially when the GM's are supposed to keep this info between themselves and the one banned. Because then they can cry undisturbed by such annoying things as the truth.
Most likely the guy deserves a ban.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:12:00 -
[89]
Originally by: bigred monkey i have personally flown with this guys for years, he runs servers from some of the biggest alliances and entities ingame. if he wanted to break eula then he could of done something worthwhile and notable in the first. insyead i think what he recieved was for about 5mil, so yes, i trust my corp mate. he has no reason to lie
how excactly does a statement of trust FROM YOURSELF count here?
seriously dude? could this look any worse?
in before thread lock for trolling ccp directly --- return the mines!
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:16:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: bigred monkey i have personally flown with this guys for years, he runs servers from some of the biggest alliances and entities ingame. if he wanted to break eula then he could of done something worthwhile and notable in the first. insyead i think what he recieved was for about 5mil, so yes, i trust my corp mate. he has no reason to lie
how excactly does a statement of trust FROM YOURSELF count here?
seriously dude? could this look any worse?
in before thread lock for trolling ccp directly
But he's posting it because his "friend" was banned, not him, obviously.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:17:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: bigred monkey i have personally flown with this guys for years, he runs servers from some of the biggest alliances and entities ingame. if he wanted to break eula then he could of done something worthwhile and notable in the first. insyead i think what he recieved was for about 5mil, so yes, i trust my corp mate. he has no reason to lie
how excactly does a statement of trust FROM YOURSELF count here?
seriously dude? could this look any worse?
in before thread lock for trolling ccp directly
Anticipating epic fail
remember that guy early last year who *****ed that CCP "stole" billions of ISK from him and then got wtfpwned by the GMs on the forum when they showed him ISK-buying?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:18:00 -
[92]
I seem to remember a thread awhile back..some guy whined that he got banned for ISK buying (which he clearly didn't do). He basically made a giant threatnaught. By page 8 or so, the GMs decided to break their "Don't discuss actions taken in public" stance and reveal that the guy in question had bought about 10b ISK
I wonder: will this thread die horribly, or will it become a threatnaught with a similar result?
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dan drorgar
Minmatar Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:18:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: bigred monkey i have personally flown with this guys for years, he runs servers from some of the biggest alliances and entities ingame. if he wanted to break eula then he could of done something worthwhile and notable in the first. insyead i think what he recieved was for about 5mil, so yes, i trust my corp mate. he has no reason to lie
how excactly does a statement of trust FROM YOURSELF count here?
bigred monkey isn't the one who was banned or accused of anying, you moron.
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:22:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
But he's posting it because his "friend" was banned, not him, obviously.
hm, good point, doh
the orginal post is written in first person though, and with no sign what was quoted --- return the mines!
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:22:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Malcanis
Anticipating epic fail
remember that guy early last year who *****ed that CCP "stole" billions of ISK from him and then got wtfpwned by the GMs on the forum when they showed him ISK-buying?
I also remember dozens of cases where people *****ed on the forums about being banned for no reason at all and nothing ever happened, CCP kept silent ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:23:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Matrix Skye on 23/02/2009 18:25:01
Originally by: Eraza
how excactly does a statement of trust FROM YOURSELF count here?
seriously dude? could this look any worse?
in before thread lock for trolling ccp directly
Dude, didnt you read his post? THEY have flown internet spaceships together for years! They're pod pilot buddies and know what color underwears they wears every day. I mean if you cant trust your pod pilot buddy then who can you trust?
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:23:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: Another Liberthas
But he's posting it because his "friend" was banned, not him, obviously.
hm, good point, doh
the orginal post is written in first person though, and with no sign what was quoted
' <= these are called single quotes
Now read the OP again.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:25:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Esmenet on 23/02/2009 18:26:35
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Malcanis
Anticipating epic fail
remember that guy early last year who *****ed that CCP "stole" billions of ISK from him and then got wtfpwned by the GMs on the forum when they showed him ISK-buying?
I also remember dozens of cases where people *****ed on the forums about being banned for no reason at all and nothing ever happened, CCP kept silent ...
Yes the GM's are supposed to keep this between themselves and the one banned you know. But in that specific case the one banned would not stop whining.
Perhaps someone can ask the one banned in this case to tell CCP to post all available info on why he was banned.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:29:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 23/02/2009 18:26:35
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Malcanis
Anticipating epic fail
remember that guy early last year who *****ed that CCP "stole" billions of ISK from him and then got wtfpwned by the GMs on the forum when they showed him ISK-buying?
I also remember dozens of cases where people *****ed on the forums about being banned for no reason at all and nothing ever happened, CCP kept silent ...
Yes the GM's are supposed to keep this between themselves and the one banned you know. But in that specific case the one banned would not stop whining.
Perhaps someone can ask the one banned in this case to tell CCP to post all available info on why he was banned.
Is that really the only case you remember? There have been *many* incidents where CCP hasn't "wtfpwned" the banned people, in some they have quietly apologized also.
The banned guy cannot post details AFAIK, as that in itself would be a bannable offense(?). Also, whether or not CCP will post any details is at their own discretion, but the more fanboi trolls post in CCP's support, the less likely it is that we will see the full details.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:33:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Eraza
Originally by: Another Liberthas
But he's posting it because his "friend" was banned, not him, obviously.
hm, good point, doh
the orginal post is written in first person though, and with no sign what was quoted
' <= these are called single quotes
Now read the OP again.
ok, never seen those before, just looked like an out of place comma
mabey i'll just wait and see with this post, before i manage to shoot myself in my other foot --- return the mines!
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eliminator2
Gallente THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:33:00 -
[101]
Originally by: bigred monkey Edited by: bigred monkey on 23/02/2009 15:42:35 caught this from a corp mate on sch. brings a lot of thoughts to my mind to se an experi3enced and extremley helpful guys have this happen to him 'Here is the timeline how I had 4 accounts banned for accepting a public contract on one character....
2/13/09 = I accept a 1million isk contract from some guy blabbing that he's leaving game in local. Happens to be a bob guy, so I think nothing of it and accept the contract, look at the contract briefly....looks to be a bunch of ammo and junk several jumps away. Think nothing of it and keep going along. Note: Several others in local accepted contracts as well.
2/20/09 = GM Zworm puts that account in a temporary ban while they investigate the matter. Apparently the account was hacked, lost a bunch of isk. Of course, I offer my assistance with the matter, mention (with acount names) that I have several (4 in all) accounts and that I play by the rules. No reply yet.
2/21/09 = GM Nova Perma bans the other 3 of my accounts for hacking. The reason "The case is clear enough to warrant a permanent ban." No other details....smacked with the ban hammer and there goes 5 YEARS of training. I wrote a well written long reply focusing on how there must be a mistake made somewhere and that I'm willing to help figure out where the problem is. I wrote and additional supplemental reply 24 hours after that. No reply as of this post.
This is a problem. If someone that has put 5 years of skilling and over 7,000 USD in subscription fees into a number of accounts can get banned this fast over something so simple...I would be questioning who's doing the banning. CCP has shown me no evidence and has yet to even honor a response to my appeals.'
perhaps a gm will se this post and actually look into it in proper detail.
surley we have ip tracing theese days for when characters log in
you do relise if you can get evidence that you were not involved with the hacking and **** but ccp do not unban you you can take em to court :D
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gazthenailer
Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:34:00 -
[102]
Ok, i just can say that i vouch and what his been banned for is so wrong.
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Jitabug
Caldari Viva POS Pinata
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:35:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Jitabug on 23/02/2009 18:35:55 ...
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:36:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Malcanis
Anticipating epic fail
remember that guy early last year who *****ed that CCP "stole" billions of ISK from him and then got wtfpwned by the GMs on the forum when they showed him ISK-buying?
I also remember dozens of cases where people *****ed on the forums about being banned for no reason at all and nothing ever happened, CCP kept silent ...
Cool. Link some.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:36:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Eraza ok, never seen those before, just looked like an out of place comma
'out of place comma'... wow
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:37:00 -
[106]
What really sucks is that we don't have the whole story. I have had characters banned and unbanned due to REAL reasons that existed.
Something fishy that the OP is leaving out, CCP does not do things without good reason.
I suspect you may have purchased your accounts other than legitimitely or you have been involved in behaviors of this sort before.
Innocence is always pleaded by the guilty.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:38:00 -
[107]
Yesterday:
This guy "fjkl43" says he is leaving game in local and gives me 53billion ISK
Today:
I have negative 53 billion ISK.
SUSPEND ACCT
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:41:00 -
[108]
Locked.
Given the investigation is ongoing, any further discussion will be speculation.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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