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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:18:00 -
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I was reading a thread of someone being scammed out of PLEXes and thought it'd be funny if CCP had employees whose sole job was to scam people out of PLEXes.
Very unlikely, I'm sure, but it got me to thinking if CCP employees might be more constrained in what they can do than a normal account.
So, what kind of rules/constraints do employees face?
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:22:00 -
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AFAIK, the only restrictions put in place by CCP employees are that they are not allowed to: A) reveal that they are CCP employees and B) provide anyone with any advantageous information about EVE's development
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:23:00 -
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Their in-game actions are also pretty closely monitored.
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Aya Sin
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:23:00 -
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Wouldn't that be like ... I don't know total overkill? They could just buy the plexes with (their) ISK. Less likely to backfire by losing a ****ed off customer. License to print money.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Mutants And Outcasts
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:54:00 -
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Whats to stop a CCP content developer using his insider knowledge to reap huge benefits ingame.
For example:
The tech 2 cargo expander addition a few years back. Obvious the devs knew this was happening, what stopping them from getting the pieces in place to maximise profits ingame giving them a huge ingame advantage?
Or what about the accidental non-inclusion of armour plates in salvage rig manifacturing. The devs obvious knew this was a mistake, yet it wasn't fixed for some time, surely the developers who had to crowbar the armour plates into the blueprints would have stockpiled huge amounts? Or at least what to stopped them doing this.
Infact the same goes for QA and ISD.
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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:59:00 -
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inb4 "Chribba is a dev-alt"
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Orange Faeces
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:01:00 -
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i know a dude who was interviewed for a job with CCP and they told him that accounts are suspended for at least 6 months when you take your job. of course, thats not a perfect solution, its not a bad start. ---
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LeeBaak
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:01:00 -
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:08:00 -
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Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:28:00 -
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I get this inner picture of guys like Dwight from The Office when I think of who would want to work with Internal Affairs... ---
Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: cpu939 on 23/02/2009 17:38:53
Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
its good to know but can you guy use your player account to scam other player i think it would be great if you can, then none are safe from anyone.
edit due to spelling
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
....its no wonder you guys never visit the Market Discussion forums then. |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
I wish that the CSM had been created to do what it was originally purported to be, a player oversight group that would do the function that "internal affairs" does, in the wake of T20/BOB.
Also, I must point out that there is no way that CCP and internal affairs can monitor every Dev account, for example, accounts that are paid for, not the ones that CCP provides. That's still not going to prevent or necessarily catch cheating. As with everything else, someone determined enough to do something will find a way to do it and get away with it. We all wish we could be rid of ISK sellers, and CCP tries very hard, but we still have them and always will, because they can't and never will catch them all.
--- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance. |
Arana Tellen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:50:00 -
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Lets face it, if you risk your job to cheat at an online game you need help. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
I'm left wondering how much that 'hurts' the future of EVE. I'm projecting a bit, but I can well imagine that if I had internal affairs breathing down my neck, I'd be very wary of _actually_ playing the game - getting involved in politics, or whatnot.
I mean, even if you do nothing wrong, having sword of damocles hanging over you is going to be at least a little oppressive. I mean, I do hope that devs are properly involved at every layer of EVE 'at the coal face' as it were, and not being put off by restrictions that could quite easily turn a game into a chore.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
Speaking hypothetically, if a CCP employee maintained an account via GTC, could he not use his insider knowledge without repurcussions?
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:26:00 -
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She'd need to use a separate IP.
It's way too easy to get tripped up once you go dishonest. You'd have to think of EVERYTHING, and one slip gets you the boot.
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MinSebsis
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:29:00 -
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Yeah, but who's watching the watchers??????
/tin foil hate on
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
Speaking hypothetically, if a CCP employee maintained an account via GTC, could he not use his insider knowledge without repurcussions?
I'm sure they could work something out but would you steal or cheat at your real job for a game?
People are forgetting or don't understand what it is to have a full time job thinking that people will cheat for a game. Car bills, Mortgage payment, bar tab > Internet Game
Originally by: CCP Whisper Local chat in known 0.0, low sec and empire space will remain as it is today, in all it's insta-intel giving, afk cloaker panic inducing, jita trade spamming glory.
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NightF0x
Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: NightF0x on 23/02/2009 22:32:53
Originally by: Winterblink Their in-game actions are also pretty closely monitored.
so they say...and how many inexcusable actions have CCP Employees performed? ------------------------------------
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Our player accounts are audited on a regular basis by Internal Affairs. "Insider trading" such as stockpiling resources for post-patch advantage or purchasing cheap blueprints because we know of an impending change is strictly prohibited. You can e-mail [email protected] if you suspect a character is guilty of abuses stemming from insider knowledge.
Do yuo mean CCP palyars is alwaus poor?
Sowwy, I need ask. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Lets face it, if you risk your job to cheat at an online game you need help.
I absolutely agree with you. Which is why T20 should have been fired. The fact that he wasn't showed that you CAN cheat at this game and not get fired. I note that the whistleblower got permabanned, which is ironic, considering that none of the actual cheats did.
CCP could have made all that go away within days had they done the right thing, fired the corrupt employee(s)and permabanned any directors of BOB who had any knowledge of what was happening.
The problem is that not only does CCP need to stomp HARD on any corruption, they need to make sure they are so transparent there isn't even any APPEARANCE of corruption, which is just as damaging as actual, PROVEN corruption. I think that there should be a regular report (say every quarter) of the number of CCP employees of note in each alliance. By import, I mean employees with a job where they would have authority over, or influence in, game development, as well as all GM's.
--- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance. |
Bethulsunamen
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Lets face it, if you risk your job to cheat at an online game you need help.
Exactly.. They got a stable job in a corp that's only growing and growing, along with their salaries probably. What kind of idiot would risk his new ferrari just to get T3 spaceships in a stupid game? I wouldnt :D
In b4 a CCP employee denies ferrari's in their parking lots! If there arent any, why not?! Some ferrari's are pretty affordable :)
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bethulsunamen
Originally by: Arana Tellen Lets face it, if you risk your job to cheat at an online game you need help.
Exactly.. They got a stable job in a corp that's only growing and growing, along with their salaries probably. What kind of idiot would risk his new ferrari just to get T3 spaceships in a stupid game? I wouldnt :D
In b4 a CCP employee denies ferrari's in their parking lots! If there arent any, why not?! Some ferrari's are pretty affordable :)
What about a T2 ammo BPO? (please don't ban me, CCP )
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.24 00:29:00 -
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The original question being
"Is there any limitations on a dev/ccp employee owned character from doing what they want to do?"
Apart from the statement about insider trading...hmmm, players could do that via the test server if they wanted to enough.
The real question the OP wanted to ask though was
"Do CCP employees under the guise of their other characters scam and rob people blind?"
I'd say yes in a way.
I LOVE the fact that the people who work to make the game ENJOY playing the game, and while the dice MIGHT be loaded, it's still the best game in town.
Yes even after the T20 affair, which is water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned, hell it's probably already come back as rain several times considering how long ago it was.
Of course other companies employees playing their own games doesn't effect as much as it does in Eve, but, and it's a large but, this is the ultimate PvP game, wether you're shooting other people or causing them to cry because you've just cornered the market in your area.
Whatever happens in the game, wether it's influenced by ccp employees or not (well technically it all is because they put the mechanics there in the first place), but it's the story of the character that you should find worth subscribing for, win or lose. Good fight or royally owned.
It adds to the back story that is New Eden, and in time W-Space and the backstory is made up of the people that were THERE and can remember (with an obvious biased slant) what happened and what caused or effected the outcome (usually lag or too many carebears).
-------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Apart from the statement about insider trading...hmmm, players could do that via the test server if they wanted to enough.
We traders already do that to a significant degree. What Whisper is referring to is very deep level manipulation.
IE, knowing about the POS exploit well before it goes public for instance and stocking everything you possible can into one of the 4 major reactions it was spawning from thin air for the inevitable climb.
Noticing that BoB has been disbanded and stocking up on ICE and POS supplies
Getting wind that a major ban hammer is coming down the pipe for some possible macro farmer accounts and again, stocking up on ICE because of it.
I could see some very LARGE possibilities with even the smallest most remote knowledge.
So yeah... I can see why no dev other than Chrono has ever graced the pages of the Market Discussion, since that's more or less what we talk about on a weekly basis. Speculation and prediction of the markets. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.24 12:49:00 -
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ibtl
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.24 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Lets face it, if you risk your job to cheat at an online game you need help.
Most of the players in Eve need help, tbfh.
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Ms Freeze
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill Whats to stop a CCP content developer using his insider knowledge to reap huge benefits ingame.
The fact that he doesnt need to.
-- "You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle aged woman: Stuff you pay good money for in later life." - Tony Curtis |
Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:16:00 -
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chribba is a dev
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