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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.23 20:26:00 -
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They think you're f'ing stupid!
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.23 20:42:00 -
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Im not really sure which part youre referring to, but the guy narrating that video is a moron. Theres never been any scientific evidence that links autism to vaccinations or thimerosol. The Vaccine court merely acknowledged that.
Its not asa easy as saying "my kid got this vaccination and then he got autism, im suing the vaccine maker!". You need to prove that the vaccine was the cause.
Here, you can freshen up the Daubert V. Merrill Dow ruling about scientifically valid evidence being introduced into a court case.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:26:00 -
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The link between MMR and autism was based on the wild imaginings of one doctor (I forget his name) and a statistical sample of about a dozen patients. He has since been struck off the medical register, and it was well deserved. Because of the panic he caused, the three diseases measles, mumps and rubella started rearing their ugly heads again after having previously being almost eradicated. Children suffered these nasty diseases because one doctor, a person in a position of authority, started a baseless scare which some parents believed. ____________________
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:28:00 -
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Measles is a deadly disease. Bawk. ---
Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 23/02/2009 21:34:13
My son caught measles before he was even one. All because easily frightened middle class parents paid attention to the nonsense about the MMR vaccine in the popular press. At that age, measles is a serious thing. It can cause deafness, blindness, brain damage, and death. On the other hand, the MMR vaccine doesn't cause autism. If you can prove to me that it does, I will happily chop off my legs with a rusty spoon and eat them.
Fortunately, my son was lucky and didn't have any serious after-effects of measles. But if I meet people spreading false rumours about the measles vaccination (in game) I will quite happily kill them (in game).
Dislaimer: I am a medical professional, and thus part of the establishment protecting "the man" and his evil, opressive vaccine industry.
Edit: Brain fart - duplicated words
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 They think you're f'ing stupid!
I ad dem vacines and der is nutin rung wid me *dribble*
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Joseph 9
Dead Flesh Corp Rigor Mortis Mortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly The link between MMR and autism was based on the wild imaginings of one doctor (I forget his name) and a statistical sample of about a dozen patients. He has since been struck off the medical register, and it was well deserved. Because of the panic he caused, the three diseases measles, mumps and rubella started rearing their ugly heads again after having previously being almost eradicated. Children suffered these nasty diseases because one doctor, a person in a position of authority, started a baseless scare which some parents believed.
Andrew Wakefield, who now looks like he may have fabricated evidence and lied to parents....
I'be been wondering for a while now if it would be possible (in the UK) to submit freedom of information requests to schools asking how many of the children have not been vacinated against measles, mumps and rubella before sending ones own children there. I'm generally quite liberal but I when it comes to compromising herd immunity I'm a bit of a facist I fear, lock the unimunised up away from the rest of us.
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: vanBuskirk on 23/02/2009 23:13:17 "Dislaimer: I am a medical professional, and thus part of the establishment protecting "the man" and his evil, opressive vaccine industry."
Precisely. Perhaps you can explain to me why injecting persistent neurotoxins into a child less than a year old is a good idea?
The issue is at least partially one of parental choice. I have seen no evidence that making individual vaccines available harms vaccination compliance. I have also seen no evidence that the "R" (rubella) bit of the vaccination helps male children in any way whatsoever. It doesn't help girl children either; it may help to avoid birth defects 10-15 years later, in the babies they may or may not have. Perhaps something in the sex education classes might help; something like "if you are planning to have a kid make sure you've had a rubella vaccination first, if you haven't already had the disease". Oops; sorry, that presupposes individual responsibility. Can't have that in the world of today.
And to get really nasty; perhaps people might have more confidence in your professional judgement if you could spell? "Dislaimer, opressive"
---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 23/02/2009 23:19:16 Oh my goodness.
I'm astonished at the resilience of this story.
There isn't a single bit of evidence for it.
I guess it shows the power of a well constructed meme or something. Possibly also the power of self-serving bias (e.g. if your kid gets autism it must be some identifiable outside factor meaning it's nothing to do with you).
Andrew Wakefield hasn't produced a single good bit of evidence for it.
There was this original finding allegedly showing a link between the vaccine and bowel condition (not between the vaccine and autism. between the vaccine and a hypothetical bowel condition that hypothetically causes autism). AFAIK they haven't even been able to reproduce that much of it. That's kind of important if you operate in the world of Proper Science. External validity, failed.
10 of the original 14 authors have since retracted the original conclusion. I'm sure Big Medicine threatened to give their children the autism injection if they didn't
The original study had used a small sample (group of children). Wakefield recieved a good sized sum of money from lawyers looking to sue the drugs industry. Internal validity, failed.
No worthwhile study since has found a similar link. Not between MMR and autism but between MMR and this hypothetical bowel condition.
It looks for all the world like he manipulated data in his study to produce a particular result.
Which kind of leaves me wondering why this is still going.
Measles (and the other two) are real concrete threats to a child's wellbeing. My grandmothers second husband wears glasses like jam jar bottoms because of measles. Kids can and do die of these illnesses (if you ask me, any parent in Britain to whom this happens deserves a Darwin award). Exposing a child to a concrete threat (not giving your kid the vaccine WAS a safe bet when everyone else's kid had the vaccine. Not so much now, eh?) to protect them from a pretty much non-existent threat makes zero sense to me.
The bit that really makes me chuckle is apparently this one is mostly a favourite with people who should know better.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Elysarian on 23/02/2009 23:34:02
Originally by: 7shining7one7 They think you're f'ing stupid!
Before you posted this I saw you as a harmless kook...
Now I see that you are a ****ing idiot who will believe anything you read on the internet (unless it was written by "the man").
Autism is a genetic disorder (look it up) you can't "cause" it in any other way than being born with a specific set of chromosomes.
If you wish to disagree with me then please post scans of your doctorates on here.
Otherwise: go back to shooting internet spaceships kthxbai.
Edit: I notice you've Corp-hopped a crapton of times... You been the target of a few wardecs?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:51:00 -
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Reminds me of the arguements used by Carson and others against the use of DDT to kill insects. Research done by feeding birds a calcium deficient diet, and after the bird's eggs were found to be fragile, a pesticide that is harmless to people was banned and millions have died from disease borne by insects that would've been wiped out.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.24 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 24/02/2009 05:12:38 Obvious troll. Try using an alt next time.
but I'm seriously bored, so here /me throws food a troll
Lets see
Autism - A mental condition characterized by social dysfunction and correlated with restricted and repetitive behavior
Measles - contagious virus, characterized by rashes, complications include corneal lesions, and up to 28% fatality rate in an absolute worst case scenario
Break down Autism makes you a good EvE Online player (maybe) Measles makes you blind or dead (maybe)
I'd pick autism
Even if there was proof that one in two measles vaccinations resulted in autism, I'd still be in favor of vaccination.
However the only evidence ever presented was along the lines of "uh... i knew this guys, who like knew this kid... who like... got autism... after the vaccination...."
Show me a single clinical trial, that supports a causal link, and I'd just give you a trial showing the effectiveness of a measles vaccine against measles
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.24 06:08:00 -
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I used to think shining could be a great mystic, who was giving us insight into all the quirks of life, uncovering conspiracies in the name of the Almighty Dollar.
Now I just think he's a paranoid pothead, wearing a tinfoil hat while listening to Coast to Coast AM out of fear of "them" listening in on his thoughts about hemp production from outer space.
Or he's just an elaborate, very elaborate troll who has it easy, because all he has to do is link to a Youtube video to send the residents of OOPE into a frenzy. Heck I'll give it a whirl:
Did you know alien's helped Egyptian scholars build the pyramids? On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 06:54:00 -
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Youtube=mindless drivel.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:28:00 -
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Here's one I'm sure Shining will believe.
Sadly, I'm not sure if it's real or satirical, but it seems based on all conspiracy theory movies.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:59:00 -
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The really sad part is the responses to Shining's vid. Or maybe they're just scary.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.02.24 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Elysarian
Before you posted this I saw you as a harmless kook...
Now I see that you are a ****ing idiot who will believe anything you read on the internet (unless it was written by "the man").
Autism is a genetic disorder (look it up) you can't "cause" it in any other way than being born with a specific set of chromosomes.
If you wish to disagree with me then please post scans of your doctorates on here.
Otherwise: go back to shooting internet spaceships kthxbai.
Edit: I notice you've Corp-hopped a crapton of times... You been the target of a few wardecs?
I've noticed a few times you and others labelling the Op an "idiot" and various other insults, everytime you do this your opinion becomes void, bringing insults into a discusion no matter the topic is like lifting the white flag and surrendering.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk.... about other people.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.24 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Elysarian
Before you posted this I saw you as a harmless kook...
Now I see that you are a ****ing idiot who will believe anything you read on the internet (unless it was written by "the man").
Autism is a genetic disorder (look it up) you can't "cause" it in any other way than being born with a specific set of chromosomes.
If you wish to disagree with me then please post scans of your doctorates on here.
Otherwise: go back to shooting internet spaceships kthxbai.
Edit: I notice you've Corp-hopped a crapton of times... You been the target of a few wardecs?
I've noticed a few times you and others labelling the Op an "idiot" and various other insults, everytime you do this your opinion becomes void, bringing insults into a discusion no matter the topic is like lifting the white flag and surrendering.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk.... about other people.
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You'll notice that Shining does the same thing to anyone who disagrees with him, no matter how polite they are.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Mamarto
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.24 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mamarto on 24/02/2009 13:26:23 Cause I'm too lazy to make the argument myself.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.24 13:43:00 -
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Vaccinate : a tiny percentage chance your child could experience some nasty side-effects NOT vaccinate : a very high percentage your child will get sick and DIE
So yeah, let's not vaccinate... That's Darwin Awards material, right there.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:49:00 -
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hmmmm
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
That's a picture perfect Darwin Awards case, right there. If you're a conspiracy nut, PLEASE DON'T vaccinate your child and help thin out the herd of future conspiracy nuts.
fix'd
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: vanBuskirk
Precisely. Perhaps you can explain to me why injecting persistent neurotoxins into a child less than a year old is a good idea?
Perhaps you can tell me why children going blind, deaf or dead is a good idea?
They don't give MMR to children under a year old, at least not in my neck of the woods. But that's just minor nitpicking. And I'm talking about the UK. We haven't used mercury-based preservatives in our MMR vaccines for a long time (I assume that's the neurotoxin you're referring to). Anyway, if you show me a shred of evidence that mercury based preservatives are present in large enough quantities to have a measurable effect over and above that of the toxins a child ingests daily, I'll be very surprised. A recent (peer-reviewed, published) study involving over 100,000 children found no evidence of neurodevelopmental disorders.
Quote: I have seen no evidence that making individual vaccines available harms vaccination compliance.
I have - parents tend to pick and choose, and the necessary multiplication of the number of vaccination appointments tends to reduce compliance. I'll try to find the reference I've got to it.
Quote: I have also seen no evidence that the "R" (rubella) bit of the vaccination helps male children in any way whatsoever.
That depends on whether you think the aim of vaccination is to eradicate the disease (a la smallpox) or protect people. Most vaccination programs aim to get herd immunity to protect those (such as the very young) who haven't been vaccinated yet. From the tone of your reply, I guess this seems too much like the nanny state for you.
Quote: And to get really nasty; perhaps people might have more confidence in your professional judgement if you could spell? "Dislaimer, opressive"
Ooh, a spelling flame. Really, though, you should criticise my typing and proof reading. You must have a really low opinion of me if you think I habitually spell disclaimer without a c. My apologies, anyway. I had an operation on my hand two weeks ago which makes typing slow and painful. My usually sparkling prose has become dull and irregular.
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Jorev Dannel
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:13:00 -
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Quote: That's a picture perfect Darwin Awards case, right there.
Actually it's not: Darwin Awards are given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by their own stupidity. Removing another person is strictly against the rules, and for good reason: You've got to feel very sorry for a child who has to suffer one of these diseases when they could have easily been prevented. ---------------------------------------- All dressed in uniforms so fine, They drank and killed to pass the time Wearing the shame of all their crimes With measured steps they walked in line |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev Dannel
Quote: That's a picture perfect Darwin Awards case, right there.
Actually it's not: Darwin Awards are given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by their own stupidity. Removing another person is strictly against the rules.
Exception being made for removing your own offspring from the gene pool, since, well, it's the same thing really.
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Jorev Dannel
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jorev Dannel
Quote: That's a picture perfect Darwin Awards case, right there.
Actually it's not: Darwin Awards are given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by their own stupidity. Removing another person is strictly against the rules.
Exception being made for removing your own offspring from the gene pool, since, well, it's the same thing really.
Check the website, there are no exceptions to the self-selection rule. ---------------------------------------- All dressed in uniforms so fine, They drank and killed to pass the time Wearing the shame of all their crimes With measured steps they walked in line |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev Dannel Check the website, there are no exceptions to the self-selection rule.
Eh... if there isn't one yet, it should be
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:11:00 -
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Quote: If you're a conspiracy nut, PLEASE DON'T vaccinate your child.
Quoting for truth. ---
Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/02/2009 20:46:49
Originally by: Jorev Dannel
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jorev Dannel
Quote: That's a picture perfect Darwin Awards case, right there.
Actually it's not: Darwin Awards are given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by their own stupidity. Removing another person is strictly against the rules.
Exception being made for removing your own offspring from the gene pool, since, well, it's the same thing really.
Check the website, there are no exceptions to the self-selection rule.
i wonder if there in your little darwin universe is a special award for removing the entirety of humanity from the gene pool of the universe and then burn and eradicate all evidence thereof so you can live as a monkey.. it seems only fitting you should be indulged in your theoretical obsession.. primate.
never stop taking your vaccines.. and be sure to provide them to your kids too.. all of them..
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jorev Dannel Check the website, there are no exceptions to the self-selection rule.
Eh... if there isn't one yet, it should be
you are the exception.
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