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Zanjutsu
Caldari Hell's Mathematicians
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:57:00 -
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Well I've recently came back to the game from a year long hiatus and had an oh **** moment in a mission just a bit ago and got my drake blown to little pieces. I know I don't have great skills but my drake tanked nicely for me. Since it's now gone I'm thinking about my fit for a new drake or an alternative? http://www.eve-sheet.com/skills/Zanjutsu That's my current skill set.
And this is how I had my drake setup.
[Drake, Tank] Shield Power Relay I Shield Power Relay I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I
Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:58:00 -
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Fewer shield rechargers, more shield hardeners imho. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:01:00 -
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What level mission was it? That tank should be able to hold very well with how fast the shield recharges regardless of racial hardeners.
what's the shield recharge rate? <200 seconds?
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Sweeper23
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Fewer shield rechargers, more shield hardeners imho.
Agreed...
Put a tractor beam in the empty high slot, to pull in wrecks or containers.
Also... I use the caldari destroyer as a dedicated salvager to clean up after the mission, but grabbing loot and putting it in your mission ship cargo hold since the destroyer doesnt have the best cargo space.
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Preysia
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Preysia on 24/02/2009 17:05:30
Originally by: FlyinS What level mission was it? That tank should be able to hold very well with how fast the shield recharges regardless of racial hardeners.
what's the shield recharge rate? <200 seconds?
Was a level 3, had about 7 battlecruisers in the second to last wave and I somehow triggered the last wave before I was able to kill them all and I went pop.
According to EFT 211.3s recharge.
Bah... wrong character.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Preysia
Was a level 3, had about 7 battlecruisers in the second to last wave and I somehow triggered the last wave before I was able to kill them all and I went pop.
According to EFT 211.3s recharge.
Bah... wrong character.
I'm pretty sure my Drake recharge rate is down to 186 seconds so it may just be a skill thing. It's been a while since I've used that ship though. I never had an issue with needing other hardeners though. The recharge rate made up for it.
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Sweeper23
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:11:00 -
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As soon as you think you might be over whelmed, align to object ready to warp, if you have drones out recall them, but if it gets really bad, leave them.
Use http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePageto get the mission reports to see what hardners you should be using as well as the damage u should be doing.
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Zanjutsu
Caldari Hell's Mathematicians
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sweeper23 As soon as you think you might be over whelmed, align to object ready to warp, if you have drones out recall them, but if it gets really bad, leave them.
Use http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePageto get the mission reports to see what hardners you should be using as well as the damage u should be doing.
Yea I was already on that site, thought I could handle it but it seems I couldn't :(
Any suggestions on what to exactly to change or skills to train up to help make it better?
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Tarjema Maloria
In Pain Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:40:00 -
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Drop 2 rechargers in favor of another extender and a second invuln. your defense will increase substantially. In regards to skills definately train up for t2 shield power relays and t2 invuln's. You might also want to save up for some meta 4 launchers untill you can use t2, the rats will die faster, increasing your chances of your tank holding. Training up for some light drones isnt a bad idea either.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zanjutsu
Originally by: Sweeper23 As soon as you think you might be over whelmed, align to object ready to warp, if you have drones out recall them, but if it gets really bad, leave them.
Use http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePageto get the mission reports to see what hardners you should be using as well as the damage u should be doing.
Yea I was already on that site, thought I could handle it but it seems I couldn't :(
Any suggestions on what to exactly to change or skills to train up to help make it better?
Shield management to increase shield capacity, shield operation to decrease recharge time, missile skills to kill things faster and make tanking unnecessary :P __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Sweeper23
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:49:00 -
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Also the ceritficate planner helps as well, not the best thing but it will set u in the right direction.
Also... Welcome back to the game!
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:01:00 -
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This was my mission Drake. Worked pretty well. A few level 4 missions would break it's tank if I was not careful, but it did pretty well.
Change Invuln's and passive resistance module to suit incoming racial damage.
[Drake, Mission Drake] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Shield management to increase shield capacity, shield operation to decrease recharge time, missile skills to kill things faster and make tanking unnecessary :P
That ought to do it for level 3s. A Drake will tank most level 4's but it's going to take a year to kill most BS's. I'd suggest moving up to a Raven for 4's.
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: FlyinS
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Shield management to increase shield capacity, shield operation to decrease recharge time, missile skills to kill things faster and make tanking unnecessary :P
That ought to do it for level 3s. A Drake will tank most level 4's but it's going to take a year to kill most BS's. I'd suggest moving up to a Raven for 4's.
I agree. I used a Drake for level 4's, but I also have 2 accounts and would bring a Shield Transporter/salvaging Myrmidon . The extra 5 damage bonused medium drones, made the damage output acceptable. With just the drakes damage, it would have been slow going.
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Hopea Solv
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:56:00 -
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My drake, been away for a year or so myself, tanks all lvl 3's easily, and have done the lvl 4 mission The Score (Sansha Nation), also easily (took 2000 missiles to complete though).
Ballistic control system II Ballistic control system II Beta reactor control: diagnostic system I Shield power relay I
V-M15 Braced multispectral shield matrix V-M15 Braced multispectral shield matrix (can swap for rap specific but haven't needed to) Shield recharger II Large shield extender II Large shield extender II Large shield extender II
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy missile bay I Empty slot (use a destoyer for salvageing)
Core defence field purger I Core defence field purger I Core defence field purger I
Ive had to warp out once on cut-throat competition (lvl 3) as i was killing them in the wrong order and ended up with about 24 cruisers/bc's and alot of frigs.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:00:00 -
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[Drake, Mission] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
I have used this a lot when I did level 3's. Works like a charm. Use named launchers if wanted.
For a better tank use Rat spec hardeners for that mission. 3 Invuls work as well, but will not permarun.
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KW Mech
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.25 02:34:00 -
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[My Drake]
Lows= Shield Power Relay II x4
Mids= Large Shield Extender II x3 Tech II Resistance Amps x3 ( Rat specific)
High= Heavy Missile launcher II x7 Drone Link Augmenter I
Rigs= Core Defence Field Purger I x3
Hobgoblin II x5
I've never gone below 85% shields on any Lvl 3 yet
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Johann Callasan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.25 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zanjutsu Well I've recently came back to the game from a year long hiatus and had an oh **** moment in a mission just a bit ago and got my drake blown to little pieces. I know I don't have great skills but my drake tanked nicely for me. Since it's now gone I'm thinking about my fit for a new drake or an alternative? http://www.eve-sheet.com/skills/Zanjutsu That's my current skill set.
And this is how I had my drake setup.
[Drake, Tank] Shield Power Relay I Shield Power Relay I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I
Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Malkuth Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
OUCH - My eyes, they bleed from your mid setup.....
Do this:
1) Lose all three Shield Recharger...resists foir most l3s is more important than regen. You don't take resisted damage, after all.
Change your mid setup to 3 LSE II, 2x rat-specific primary damage hardeners II, 1x rat-=specific secondary damage hardener II. Example for anti-Gurista would be 2x Ballistic Deflection Field II, 1x Heat Dissipation Field II. Multiple INvulnerability Field II setups typically ONLY work wekk against Mercenaries in L4s.
Keep the Core Defense Field Purgers, they're good.
Keep the 2x SPR II, 2x ZCU II lows.
Try to get better launchers - XT-3200 work well, and are FAR cheaper than Arbalest. If you can get t2, then do so.
That tank will hold up against any L3 mission, if you use rat-specific. It'll even hold up against some L4 - and will just about any, if you substitute ONE BCU for a SPR.
If you still have trouble with that setup, you're horrendously underskilled. That setup will work with the minimums you need to fit t2 hardeners, and TSM IV (needed for Invuln Fields II).
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 04:13:00 -
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My setup:
[Drake, Mission Drake] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II
Drone Link Augmentor I 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
I've had the CN Photons since before I could use T2 hardeners. It's tanked every L3 mission I've run, including things like A Million Little Pieces and My Sweet Privateer, while providing enough gank to get through them even with substandard skills.
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Zanjutsu
Caldari Hell's Mathematicians
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Posted - 2009.03.08 00:41:00 -
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I've been looking into things, I'm personally going to be able to use t2 invul fields starting monday night.
[Drake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Reactor Control Unit I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I Invulnerability Field I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Does that look any better? According to EFT I should be able to run the invul fields for an hour before cap runs dry. Doesn't look like I'd be able to fit 2 t2 invul fields though :(
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.08 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zanjutsu I've been looking into things, I'm personally going to be able to use t2 invul fields starting monday night.
[Drake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Reactor Control Unit I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field I Invulnerability Field I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Does that look any better? According to EFT I should be able to run the invul fields for an hour before cap runs dry. Doesn't look like I'd be able to fit 2 t2 invul fields though :(
Well, it's much better. But drop one shield extender and use three hardeners in the mids, 2 for primary damage and one for secondary damage. Don't bother with invulns until you can use T2. You really should not even consider using three large shield extenders if you do not have Shield Upgrades V. With the freed up powergrid you can probably fit another shield power relay or ballistic control in the lows which is much better than having a fitting mod.
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Zanjutsu
Caldari Hell's Mathematicians
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Posted - 2009.03.08 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Well, it's much better. But drop one shield extender and use three hardeners in the mids, 2 for primary damage and one for secondary damage. Don't bother with invulns until you can use T2. You really should not even consider using three large shield extenders if you do not have Shield Upgrades V. With the freed up powergrid you can probably fit another shield power relay or ballistic control in the lows which is much better than having a fitting mod.
So if I was up against Guristas something like this?
[Drake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field I Ballistic Deflection Field I Ballistic Deflection Field I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.03.08 02:03:00 -
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[Drake, Mission] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
All level 5 stats EHP:60k Def:531 DPS:218( no drones) Cap stable at 59%( 49% with my skills)
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.08 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zanjutsu
So if I was up against Guristas something like this?
[Drake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field I Ballistic Deflection Field I Ballistic Deflection Field I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Yup, that's a very nice fit for Guristas (for low skills, anyway)
Just swap out your hardeners accordingly if you get put up against other factions.
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.08 05:21:00 -
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The Drake is an awesome ship, and I still use it for PvP now that I moved to an NH for missions. A Drake can easily slice through L4's with the right fit and skills. Definitely train your Engineering and Missile skills. For L3's you basically have to run passive setups because of the neuts you get every now and then (my active setup was challenged a few times running L3's, so I fit a Nos to help before I moved to L4's). Definitely fit both rat-specific hardeners/resist amps along with extenders and rechargers. Stick with it.
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Amali Go
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:42:00 -
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drake isnt a pvp ship!!!!!!
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amali Go drake isnt a pvp ship!!!!!!
Wow, so much emphasis!!!!!!... and you're dead wrong about it. Drake is a great PvP ship with the proper loadout and skills, but there are lots of other forum topics about it so I won't belabor the point here. LOL
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Arrrshole
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:20:00 -
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This is my drake setup - 162 sec recharge rate on 12k shields
[Drake, Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Magnetic shattering II Heat dissipation amp II Kinetic deflection amp II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Arb Heavy Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Cloak for hiding/scavenger/tractor beam - whatever..
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
5x warrier II
This is an excellent pvp ship - even against pesky frigs with the warrior II's. Just be careful with them you only have 5.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:40:00 -
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And that is clearly what people mean with faildrakes. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: KW Mech [My Drake]
Lows= Shield Power Relay II x4
Mids= Large Shield Extender II x3 Tech II Resistance Amps x3 ( Rat specific)
High= Heavy Missile launcher II x7 Drone Link Augmenter I
Rigs= Core Defence Field Purger I x3
Hobgoblin II x5
I've never gone below 85% shields on any Lvl 3 yet
That's pretty much what I have for ratting.
T2 launchers make a big difference with the increased rate of fire, as do the T2 drones, especially if you have a good drone skills.
I'm going to build another one of these just for missioning :)
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