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Mattie Gin
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:01:00 -
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Someone confirm if I'm right here -
Transaction Tax - when I (Mattie) sell an item to someone (whether it be an immediate sale or an order). Modified by Accounting. Does not apply to when I purchase an item from someone.
Broker Fees - when I (Mattie) buy an item from someone (whether it be an immediate purchase or an order). Modified by Broker Relations. Does not apply to when I sell an item to someone.
Is the above correct/ And are there any other skills that reduce either of the above fees?
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:16:00 -
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I think that's a little off.
All fees are paid by the seller. The broker fee is the fee to place the listing - kinda like paying for a classified ad. The transaction fee is a tax taken when the item actually sells. Thus, the broker fee is always paid when you place an item on the market and the transaction fee is only paid when someone buys it.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, anyone.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:19:00 -
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Broker fees apply when setting up buy and sell orders.
For example, assume I'm going to put up a buy order for Trit, then resell the Trit with a sell order.
1) When I create the buy order, I'm charged a broker fee that is a percentage of the total value of the buy order. Since I'm the buyer, I don't pay any transaction tax when the someone sells to my buy order.
2) When I create the sell order, I'm charged a broker fee that is a percentage of the total value of the sell order.
3) When someone buys something from the sell order, I pay a transaction tax at that time, since I'm the seller now.
Your standing with the station owner (the station that the buy/sell order is located at) greatly affects your broker fees and transaction tax.
Skills like Social and Connections can help with your standings. Standings is still a grey area for me, so perhaps someone else has more information in this regard.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drab Cane Skills like Social and Connections can help with your standings. Standings is still a grey area for me, so perhaps someone else has more information in this regard.
The broker fee calculation uses unmodified standings, so the social skills mentioned will not help (for the broker fee, they'll help with getting the standing in the first place).
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Mattie Gin
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:27:00 -
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Great info. Thanks for the input!
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.24 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador The broker fee calculation uses unmodified standings, so the social skills mentioned will not help (for the broker fee, they'll help with getting the standing in the first place).
That used to be the case LONG ago, but it has been quite a while now that the broker fees have used your effective standings instead of your base standing.
(Revelations 1 or 2 I think, but I am not sure and I am think that it was ommited from the patch notes when it was changed, so there is no way for me to go back and check)
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra That used to be the case LONG ago, but it has been quite a while now that the broker fees have used your effective standings instead of your base standing.
(Revelations 1 or 2 I think, but I am not sure and I am think that it was ommited from the patch notes when it was changed, so there is no way for me to go back and check)
We might need someone who cracked the Broker Fee formula to settle this. Kazzac Elentria posted yesterday that they're not taking into account, referring to this thread - but I can't find any explicit mention of whether or not the skills count there.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:05:00 -
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I'll dig it up once I have time after dinner.
Fees use base unmodified standing |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador We might need someone who cracked the Broker Fee formula to settle this. Kazzac Elentria posted yesterday that they're not taking into account, referring to this thread - but I can't find any explicit mention of whether or not the skills count there.
I rechecked and it looks like you are right. It is unmodified standings.
I am not sure when I had tested and found otherwise, but that formula matches my results for 3 different sets of base standings.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador We might need someone who cracked the Broker Fee formula to settle this.
As I wrote yesterday, to check if the formula still works, we just need someone with standings and the Connection skill to plug in their numbers into the Market Order Broker Fees Formula to see if it is still accurate. (Again, note that the recent 'upgrade' to the EVE-Online forums seems to have broken the character encodings in pre-existing posts, so you'll need to change the three instances of '+ù' in that forumla to '×'.)
As I indicated, I would do this myself, but I have no standings.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra I rechecked and it looks like you are right. It is unmodified standings. [... T]hat formula matches my results for 3 different sets of base standings.
Thanks for checking and reporting!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:28:00 -
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many thanks to Mitnal for putting in the stickies in the resource thread
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:40:00 -
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No idea why I didn't think of checking it myself, I guess the simple solutions always elude me
Anyway, I'm glad this has been (re-)confirmed, thanks guys
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Mattie Gin
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:18:00 -
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Ok, another question for all you market gurus!
Let's say you have a two characters in a small corp, which standings will the broker/station use to calculate broker fees? The standing of the character placing the orders? Or the standing of the corp of the same character?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mattie Gin Ok, another question for all you market gurus!
Let's say you have a two characters in a small corp, which standings will the broker/station use to calculate broker fees? The standing of the character placing the orders? Or the standing of the corp of the same character?
pretty sure its the toon placing the order, but I'll double check today. |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 25/02/2009 16:26:03
Originally by: Mattie Gin Let's say you have a two characters in a small corp, which standings will the broker/station use to calculate broker fees? The standing of the character placing the orders? Or the standing of the corp of the same character?
Definately the character placing the order. All of my characters are in the same corp and all of their orders are placed using the corp wallet. Each character has different broker fees as each has different standings.
This was also confirmed by the same test that confirmed that it is base standings that is used to calculate the fee.
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