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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.25 04:36:00 -
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GOOD LUCK AMERICA!
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Of Montreal
Gallente CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.25 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 GOOD LUCK AMERICA!
c 7shining7one7 is in fact Alex Jones
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.25 05:15:00 -
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Well, can't disagree with the host much, if at all... on what he's saying, that is. As for the "guest", other than his constant and pointless "not an American" attacks, meh, not like ANY OTHER government wouldn't have made the same "mistakes" anyway... nobody in their right mind that wins a "popularity contest" election and wants to have the slightest chance of being in politics afterwards would let the economy collapse WHILE THEIR TERM IS STILL ON if they can still delay the inevitable somehow until somebody else gets the blame.
But then again... would it be a bad thing for the USA to crash hard, and take most of the "civilized" world down alongside them ? I'd say no, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Dissolving big national goverments all across the globe with the rise of corporation-like conglomerates of regions completely transcending "old borders", a near total collapse of the CREDIT-BASED banking system followed by the emergence of some global/universal work-accomplished/value-based currency, that's not at all bad, that's a damned GOOD thing.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:11:00 -
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it'd be hilarious if it wasn't real.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 25/02/2009 06:14:29 whatever happens, god knows i tried, and did the best i could, my concience is clear.
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rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 GOOD LUCK AMERICA!
Lets see communism... united states ceasing to exist.... Haven't heard anything bad yet... Still listening. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig? |
rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:43:00 -
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This is why I believe in Totilitarianism.
Men like those in this video would either be imprisoned or killed.
They don't deserve to breathe the same as me. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig? |
7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987 This is why I believe in Totilitarianism.
Men like those in this video would either be imprisoned or killed.
They don't deserve to breathe the same as me.
well.... that's great..
have you considered if you yourself will be breathing rValdez5987? i know you think you will but.. are you sure?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 25/02/2009 07:04:54
Alan Keyes is just a bitter loon. The only time he wasn't at the bottom of the pile of Republican presidential candidates this past election cycle was at that goofy "Values Voters" debate, where he amazingly outperformed everyone except Ron Paul and the execrable Mike Huckabee.
Originally by: Akita T Dissolving big national goverments all across the globe with the rise of corporation-like conglomerates of regions completely transcending "old borders", a near total collapse of the CREDIT-BASED banking system followed by the emergence of some global/universal work-accomplished/value-based currency, that's not at all bad, that's a damned GOOD thing.
All currency is trust-based. Gold has no inherent value, and prior to the advent of the electronic age no practical function, and yet it was the standard for supporting wealth across numerous civilizations and thousands of years. When the US left the gold standard we replaced one ultimately meaningless backing of our printed currency with the equally meaningless backing known as "trust in our government". At the end of the day neither gold nor trust in one's government means the coins or bills in your pocket are worth anything in an absolute sense.
Therefore, work-accomplished/value-based currency would have to be something other than traditional currency. It would have to be something essential, like food and shelter. In other words the system would be work = food/etc, as opposed to work = money = food/etc. That's really the only true credit-free economic model that's coming to mind right now, although I've been up a terribly long time.
But it doesn't really matter anyway because a global corporatist cabal replacing actual governments is just asking for a dystopic slave state. Good government seeks to create and perpetuate something higher than a bottom-line mentality, unlike corporatism. I think that's also why business types can be so failtastic as elected officials.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.25 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Therefore, work-accomplished/value-based currency would have to be something other than traditional currency.
The in-game-ISK is one of the better (extremely simplified) example of how such a currency would actually work The whole point of in-game-ISK is that you CAN'T spend ISK you don't have unless somebody loans it to you (or you earn it the hard way), and loaning is particularly difficult (partially because of the high scammability rate, but a lot more because you can't loan out ISK that doesn't actually exist already in the system).
The mess we're in right now is caused by the ability to "spawn" cash for absolutely no good reason in exchange for a promise of future work, and high availability of those credit lines. We have easily well over 10 times the amount of "virtual real-life money" compared to the actual, printed real-life money, and even the printed money is seriously over the value of existing goods in the world. In other words, there simply is way too much money and not enough stuff to spend it on.
The new currency doesn't NEED to have an inherent value, it only needs to be universally accepted, generally accepted as unforgeable... and most important, ONLY generated by the governments as payment for services "to the state" actually accomplished. As long as money isn't spawned out of thin air for FUTURE work, but only spawned for REALIZED work, and as long as lending money (as opposed to setting aside money for investments into something, to only be made available upon proof of service rendered or value added) is forbidden, it's all ok. Basically, it's a return to the gold standard, but with the minimal inherent value (and low availability) physical gold replaced by zero inherent value (and infinite availabilty) virtual secure cash.
At the same time, the BASIC, MINIMAL needs of people (healthcare, food, water and a shelter) MUST be provided at a fixed rate equal to minimum possible wage (or social security funds) by the government, to provide a baseline. Ideally, you would also have people working to provide all those basic needs be almost exclusively government employees, with minimal private sector involvement. In other words, everybody would have a place to live (even if it's ridiculously small), would not starve (even if they would feel a bit hungry most of the time) and would be reasonably healthy even if they do almost nothing but stare at a wall all day long. But to get anything above that, they would have to find something to do that other people need.
There would be absolutely no taxes whatsoever. Goverments would simply generate as much money as is needed AFTER the work for which they're supposed to be paid for is completed, and several global-scale agreements would limit the margins (both lower and upper) for certain types of work or services rendered. Inflation is instantly obvious for everybody at all times.
Initial "new monetary units" would be obtained by private parties (be it persons or companies) from the governments by mainly SELLING to the government something that has a physical value (at some globally-agreed upon rates), and secondarily from converting existing currencies (which will slowly be retired until no more exists) into those credits at some other globally-agreed-upon rates. The transition would be the trickiest of all, and with a lot of scandals and haggling going on as everybody scrambles to exchange whatever it is they have (physical goods or "old currencies") into the "Earth Monetary Unit", but once the conversion is complete it will be smooth sailing. All money would be virtual, no physical money can ever exist, and money could be traced back for years, decades or even centuries to all previous people who "owned" it. Barring hacking attempts (which, unfortunately, is unlikely to be 100% avoidable), we would see all but a near-total readication of corruption, embezzlement, "creative accounting" and so on and so forth.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.25 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/02/2009 08:46:58
Yes, that WOULD mean that every person in the world could see EXACTLY how much money anybody else has (and exactly what every person OWNS), how much each government paid (and for what exactly), and see where every piece of money in their possesion and every piece of something they own came from.
In a way, it would suck to have absolutely no secrets... want to buy something illegal ? Well, you kind of can't (not easily anyway), since all cash is accounted for and can be traced precisely by anybody else. You would have to convert the money into something physical (if it's money it can be tracked, so it's no good) and perishable (since if it's a durable good you have to register as owned, then as destroyed or sold) or risk listing the money as paid for intangible services (in which case, it would red-flag whoever sold anything illegal in larger amounts, as the money can be traced back to the top).
You can't have "the good stuff" without some of the "bad stuff", and the bad stuff in this case is a total lack of privacy FOR EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING... not just the citizens, but also the governments.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.02.25 10:26:00 -
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Oh go find another forum for your political debates. :P
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Reven Cordelle on 25/02/2009 11:06:09 Yeah?
We'll I'LL leave you with this!
Relink for moar lulz.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:29:00 -
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My favorite conspiracy theory is the one that says the world is being run by a handful of ultra-rich capitalists, and that our elected governments are mere puppets. I sure hope it's true. Otherwise my survival depends on hordes of clueless goobers electing competent leaders. That's about as likely as a dog ****ing the Mona Lisa into a snowbank. - Scott Adams
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:34:00 -
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I'm sorry but are you all "BLIND" to what the real problem is here??? The problem isnt republican, democratic, facist, liberal or communism, the real problem here is Monetary economics, the technocrats knew it wouldnt sustain itself and now it appears they were right, a world that revolves around every single person getting the better of each other can never work, a system that requires %50 of the worlds resource to be owned by 5% of the worlds population can never work.
Wake up everyone, stop kidding yourselves that your vote means anything, stop kidding yourselves that you have democracy, stop kidding yourselves that you have freedom, you are only as free as the amount of money you have, you are a slave to it. When was the last time you were offered to vote for a government outside of the monetary system?......... i'll answer it for you....NEVER!! The fact you all sit there and accept there is no alternative, highlights how wrong society is today. Science offers the solutions to todays economics, not some moron in a suit that studied law and finance at university, how in god name can some politician from a law/finance background even hope to solve societies problems? The answer is simple! They can't.
I do apolagise by the way, there is a way monetary economics can get a kick start, the best way is a world war. In the 1930's the technocrats and economists predicted a full collapse of monetary economics during the 1940's, but guess what happened??? We had world war 2........ how convenient.
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Motaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:05:00 -
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Its all the British Empires fault dont you know.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente H A V O C Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 25/02/2009 13:31:14
Wow, you guys cant possibly take this guy's argument as mentally sane, let alone intellectually coherent can you?
Expand your political musings beyond the shock jock attitudes that seem to capture American audiences if you really want a decent debate on the current political and economical situation. This guy brings nothing to the debate.
This is truly laughable.
EDIT: Oh I just saw the other vids. Disregard the above. Its clear the guy is autistic...
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Crimsonjade
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:33:00 -
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Political discussions on the internet... Area 51 is now UFO base, allied with the UN! Fight back Amaerika!
Canadian Invasion is planned for July the 4th! attack first, dont let them make you think they just love hockey and beer!Canada is a FASCIST STATE! JIHAD! Purge the Unbelievers!
man thinking like a ****** isnt easy, but OP seem to be ok with it
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente H A V O C Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Motaka Its all the British Empires fault dont you know.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHA
*falls off chair laughing*
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Polkageist
Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 it'd be hilarious if it wasn't real.
good analysis by Alex Jones. And fun too, and tragic, and fun, and tragic etc. But what a ******et propaganda video by Kid Rock. US pop culture should try to stay out of militarypropaganda.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:51:00 -
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immortal technique wake up
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:52:00 -
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no matter what will happen la resistance lives on Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
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Aricaan
Gallente Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Aricaan on 25/02/2009 19:37:04
Quote: I leave you with...
Still waiting for you to leave.
ISK rules everything around me. |
Fei Shinto
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 25/02/2009 13:31:14
Wow, you guys cant possibly take this guy's argument as mentally sane, let alone intellectually coherent can you?
Expand your political musings beyond the shock jock attitudes that seem to capture American audiences if you really want a decent debate on the current political and economical situation. This guy brings nothing to the debate.
This is truly laughable.
EDIT: Oh I just saw the other vids. Disregard the above. Its clear the guy is autistic...
Well please do infuse us with what you think is wrong with the argument? Most of it is fact and can be proven, except for Obama's birth Certificate and college transcripts LOL Although the political side of it can be thrown out the window as its all left right paradigm. Also, I wish America was caught up in the shock jock mind frame of Alex Jones as opposed to the Prozac filled ramblings of the Elitist owned media. America needs some shock right now. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aricaan Edited by: Aricaan on 25/02/2009 19:37:04
Quote: I leave you with...
Still waiting for you to leave.
This. Doesn't leaving mean you actually, you know, leave? -----------
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Aricaan Edited by: Aricaan on 25/02/2009 19:37:04
Quote: I leave you with...
Still waiting for you to leave.
This. Doesn't leaving mean you actually, you know, leave?
Yeah I'm all for long goodbye's every now n then but this is just ridiculous.
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