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Aaronm100
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:16:00 -
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At the moment i'm training for a raven to start L4 missions in and i need advice on how to fit it. I was going to set it up like this, all modules are what my skills can use so i can't go T2 all the way.
[Raven, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier I Photon Scattering Field I Photon Scattering Field I Photon Scattering Field I
Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
Any advice on what i could improve on?
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Aaronm100
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:53:00 -
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no one?
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RichoDemus
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:57:00 -
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This is what I used for L4 missions:
3 PDS 2 BCU
Large shield booster shield boost amp cap recharger 3 hardeners
6 cruise 2 nos
didn't use rigs since it was before rigs came out but I'd guess 3 CCC would be nice
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:04:00 -
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High: 7x 'Arbalest' Cruise Missile Launcher I Med: 1 x Large Shield Booster II, 1 x Shield Boost Amplifier I, 4 x rat specific hardeners Low: 3 x BCU II, 2 x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs: 3 x CCC Drones: 5 small, 5 medium
This setup should be capstable with reasonable skills.
Torpedo launchers are useful only with Javelin torpedos wich give a range bonus. But you need T2 launchers to use them. The 30km range of T1 torpedos is definitely not enough for L4.
Forget about the PDUs. Your biggest issue on a Raven is cap, so you should focus on that. Usually cap flux coils are better than cap power relays because they dont nerf the shield recharge while still providing enough cap recharge to stay cap stable. If your cap skills arent that good yet you may replace one or both by cap power relays.
The AB isnt very usefull in L4. Except maybe Worlds Collide. But there you will need the extra hardener because this mission is tough. L4 are designed for slow battleships. Usually you dont need to fly 40km to the next gate.
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Kyt Thrace
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:05:00 -
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Unless you have all cap & shield skills up to lvl 5, then with that setup, your cap will run dry fast & your shields will be gone in a level 4 mission before you get in range with torpedos. Then your raven goes POP.
My suggestion for first raven till you get your skills up & feel good about flying the raven is as follows:
Lows: 2 x BCS II 3 X cap flux coil II
Mids: X-lg Shield Booster Shield Boost Amp 2 x (rat specific hardners primary/secondary) Cap Recharger II PWNAGE = Target Painter
Highs: 6 x Arby Cruise Missile I Drone link NOS
Rigs: 3 x CCC I
Drones: 15 x Hobgoblins
This will give you a close to stable cap if your skills allow. You can always change mods down the road when your skills get higher. This setup will allow you to handle a Lvl 4 mission.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:08:00 -
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Ship Setups Index
There are probably more Raven setup threads than for any other ship. This will help, as will putting "Raven Setup" into the search box.
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Iron Eater on 25/02/2009 18:18:45 There is no point in pumping up the tank by an x-large booster but at the same time crippling the tank by sacrificing two hardeners.
The setup I posted above needs the cap and booster skills at level 4 to be stable.
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ghengis Tia There are probably more Raven setup threads than for any other ship.
Maybe I sound arrogant but 99% of the posted setups are crap (btw the link is dead). The one I posted is the only one every expierienced L4 mission runner would agree to.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eater
Originally by: Ghengis Tia There are probably more Raven setup threads than for any other ship.
Maybe I sound arrogant but 99% of the posted setups are crap (btw the link is dead). The one I posted is the only one every expierienced L4 mission runner would agree to.
In your vast experience you might have missed that a vanilla Raven only gets 6 launcher hardpoints.
Or that other people like different setups, but that's besides the point.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: FlyinS
Originally by: Iron Eater
Originally by: Ghengis Tia There are probably more Raven setup threads than for any other ship.
Maybe I sound arrogant but 99% of the posted setups are crap (btw the link is dead). The one I posted is the only one every expierienced L4 mission runner would agree to.
You might have missed that a vanilla Raven only gets 6 launcher hardpoints.
Or that other people like different setups, but that's besides the point.
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: FlyinS In your vast experience you might have missed that a vanilla Raven only gets 6 launcher hardpoints.
Sorry, Im used to the CNR. Ill fix it.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:11:00 -
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My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
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Aaronm100
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
What the hell were you thinking when you put that together?
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eater Maybe I sound arrogant but 99% of the posted setups are crap
...or maybe I just dont get the subtile irony of your post.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:21:00 -
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This is the Raven I built for L4 missions:
[Raven, Raven] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Shield Boost Amplifier I Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu Drone Link Augmentor I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Keep one thing firmly in mind: I haven't been able to play in two months, so I haven't been able to try this out yet. On paper it tanks 720 DPS against Guristas, only 424 against Sansha with 2x EM and 1x thermal hardener. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lisento Slaven on 25/02/2009 19:24:44 OK...here...
6x Cruise Launchers
1x XL Shield Booster 1x Shield Boost Amp 4x Shield Hardeners (Mission specific, 1 for each damage type)
If you have the isk, you want CCC rigs. In the end you want CCC rigs on it anyways.
Combinations of either PDS + BCS or Cap Flux's with BCS or PDS cap flux and BCS. Personally I think when skills were a limiting factor I ran 4x PDS and 1x BCS then slowly pulled the PDS and replaced with BCS.
Drones? 5 mediums and 5 lights...
It doesn't get any simpler then that...6 cruise...1 xl booster...1 boost amp...4 hardeners, 3 ccc rigs, 4 or 3 bcs and 2 or 3 PDS. Works fine even with crappy skills.
EDIT: Because I can edit things that I want to edit whenever I want to edit them. ---
Put in space whales!
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aaronm100 What the hell were you thinking when you put that together?
Tis a good fit! Better then your smelly setup!
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:37:00 -
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Even the biggest booster can only regenerate as much shield as your cap regenerates energy. There is no point in using an x-booster with PDUs.
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Iron Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:49:00 -
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Another good setup is the passive Raven
High: 6 x 'Arbalest' Cruise Missile Launcher I Med: 2 x Large Shield Extender II, 4 x rat specific hardeners Low: 4 x Shield Power Relay II, 1 x Ballistic Control System II Rigs: 3 x Core Defense Field Purger I
It tanks much better but it does much less damage than the active version. A solid setup for doing your first L4 mission in a Raven imo.
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Crovax Maximus
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Crovax Maximus on 27/02/2009 04:29:03 Hmm...
I use High 6 x Arbalest Cruise 1 x Drone Link Augmentor
Mid 1 x Large Shield Booster II 1 x Invul II 2 x Hardeners II (depending on type of rats) 1 x Large Shield Extender II 1 x Shield Recharger II
Low 3 x Balistic Control System II 2 x Power Diagnostic System II
It holds ok for me with some choosing of which rats to shoot first, which rat to leave for last.
*hmm.. wrong profile selected.. oh well. not like it will pop my raven, haha
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Ceru Nara
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Posted - 2009.02.27 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eater Edited by: Iron Eater on 25/02/2009 18:59:40 High: 6 x 'Arbalest' Cruise Missile Launcher I Med: 1 x Large Shield Booster II, 1 x Shield Boost Amplifier I, 4 x rat specific hardeners Low: 3 x BCU II, 2 x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs: 3 x CCC Drones: 5 small, 5 medium
This setup should be capstable with reasonable skills.
Torpedo launchers are useful only with Javelin torpedos wich give a range bonus. But you need T2 launchers to use them. The 30km range of T1 torpedos is definitely not enough for L4.
Forget about the PDUs. Your biggest issue on a Raven is cap, so you should focus on that. Usually cap flux coils are better than cap power relays because they dont nerf the shield recharge while still providing enough cap recharge to stay cap stable. If your cap skills arent that good yet you may replace one or both by cap power relays.
The AB isnt very usefull in L4. Except maybe Worlds Collide. But there you will need the extra hardener because this mission is tough. L4 are designed for slow battleships. Usually you dont need to fly 40km to the next gate.
Pretty typical L4 setup, I use a slightly different one (for the CNR, but same diff really). I prefer the XL booster so that I have to boost less, and there's actually a few missions where boosting through the damage is slow even with an XL, until you kill some of the stuff on you.
[Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Obviously swap hardeners to rat type. I prefer PDU's even though flux coils give more cap recharge because I'm rarely boosting as cap recharges, usually I just wait till ~30%, then boost to about 60%. In harder missions, that means boosting for a good while because of the damage I'm taking while trying to boost back up. In that sense, the extra max cap is really nice (as opposed to the lower max cap on flux coils). By the time my cap is at 30%, enough things are dead my cap recharge doesn't matter anyway, because I won't need to boost anymore. So while flux coils give more cap over the long run, I find that I only really need that cap at a few specific points, and over a short period like that, the much higher max cap > nerfed max cap but higher recharge.
For drones I use 2xHeavy 2xMed 1xLight normally. Still kills frigs fine (mostly fight angels so using T2 minny drones, where even zerker II's track frigs pretty well).
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.27 06:57:00 -
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[Raven, Mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
X-Large Shield Booster II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Tractor Beam I
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Vespa II x5 Hornet II x5
Been useing it (off and on) for over two years. Minor changes to the fit between patches and as my skillpoints improved. Survived motsu hell, disconnects, amature suicide gankers and my druken antics. Been in structure several times, but always got me home.
Cap booster doesn't get used much but it does free up the rig slots for better uses. Also comes in handy when I go up against nossing blood raiders. |
Lukriss
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.27 08:27:00 -
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[Raven, L4] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II X-Large Shield Booster II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.02.27 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eater Another good setup is the passive Raven... It tanks much better but it does much less damage than the active version. A solid setup for doing your first L4 mission in a Raven imo.
Passive shield tanks don't work too well on battleships because the native recharge rate is so much higher (i.e. worse) than on battlecruisers. In particular, with the resistance bonus and better shield recharge, you can set up a Drake that will tank just as much using less slots, and consequently fit more BCS to in. In the final analysis it ends up doing about the same damage as the Raven, notably with medium-sized weapons that will hit cruisers much better than the Raven's cruise missiles; and it avoids having to fit purger rigs to a battleship where they really don't belong.
Raven should be active tank all the way.
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