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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:32:00 -
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Introduction: These Goons are not the enemy, they are quite possibly the best thing to ever happen to EVE. They have an agenda which includes some considerations for the long-term success of the game however, their implementation is often intentionally brutal, sadistic, but always involves copious quantities of dark humor.
What makes a Goon cry?
- At one point in time, not too long ago EVE was perceived by the masses as having two separate sides, the null-sec, and the high-sec and that there was no meaningful interaction between the two. That isn't what a single-shard universe is all about.
- If the production process is not properly balanced the entire system could be controlled or even collapses by only a few, New Eden may be vast but when imbalances are allowed to occur it unnecessarily shrinks the size of the game.
- Not too long ago, Super-capitals are were fun for anyone, and needed to be fixed.
- CCP will not address gameplay issues until they affect the majority of the player base.
The tears do nothing!
The Goons found themselves faced with these concerns cried for an awfully long time through thousands if not tens of thousands of forum posts, however the response received was unanimous nobody cares when a Goon cries. The hive learned a valuable lesson, the tears of others not only taste sweeter, but could change the universe.
The Hive
To my knowledge two massively successful implementations of the philosophy of putting the tears of others to work include the pursuit of a Technetium monopoly as well as an interdiction of Oxygen Isotopes. These various implementations imagined by the Goons have all been felt and experienced by ALL players, it is now undeniable that null-sec politics directly affect high-sec profit margins. This resolves the Hive's first issue, a complete universe.
CCP has mentioned "Ring Mining", as an solution to the moon-goo imbalances while an idea and an implementation are far from the same, this at least addresses the Hive's second issue, a balanced system of production.
The Goons had, and continue to hold a significant super capital fleet, however they championed a campaign to have these behemoths brought in-line with the competition. The Hive cannot take full credit, but the 2011 CSM certainly voiced their opinions, and the repercussions have been felt by super-capital pilots as recently as yesterday's patch. This resolves the Hive's third issue, Super-capitals Online... no longer.
The Future
The final concern of the Hive still remains, CCP does not react to issues until they affect the majority of players. However we can rest uneasily knowing that our friends, the Goons will continue to have their concerns felt across the universe, rumors and fears surround the "Burn Jita" campaign we can only guess what the future may hold, but it may be a good idea to run from it. |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:34:00 -
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Me. ME. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Needs more tears. |
SweetrolI
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:38:00 -
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wat |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:39:00 -
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What have you done with Tom Gerard?
Retiring the brand is one thing but this is more like invasion of the body snatchers War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
378
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What have you done with Tom Gerard? Retiring the brand is one thing but this is more like invasion of the body snatchers
Hmmm, this is not the Tom Gerard I recall, have those naughty Goons done something to him I wonder? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:03:00 -
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Nice read. |
Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon.
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:26:00 -
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Goons are the best thing to happen to EVE in its existence. Nobody else appreciates the purpose and freedom of the sandbox like they do. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:33:00 -
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Goons are like fertilizer, they got some pros and cons. |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:35:00 -
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http://imgur.com/SakbT Needs more tears. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:39:00 -
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No, not really.
The Goons are actually pretty honest about what they want to do with EVE Online - have fun at the expense of others and ruin the game as thoroughly as they can manage. And, you know, I don't like that goal one bit, but I can (sort of?) respect the honesty of flat-out stating that. Trying to pass it off as "Goons care about EVE!" is actually kind of disingenuous. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:52:00 -
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Posting in a Tom Gerard thread. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:02:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:No, not really.
The Goons are actually pretty honest about what they want to do with EVE Online - have fun at the expense of others and ruin the game as thoroughly as they can manage. And, you know, I don't like that goal one bit, but I can (sort of?) respect the honesty of flat-out stating that. Trying to pass it off as "Goons care about EVE!" is actually kind of disingenuous. This is just you.
Some Goons made a little riot on the forum yesterday and probably got banned for spamming. I laughed a lot about it as I saw it happening. I thanked them in a single comment. Now my main got banned, too, for thanking Goons . Is this the kind of EVE you want?
Goons are right as rain, right as Incursions, right as Falcon, and some people have fallen behind socially and need to do some catching up. When you cannot win and it makes you sad then start doing something about it. Just do not sit there and wait for the world to give it to you.
Goons are medicine. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
129
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:04:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What have you done with Tom Gerard? Retiring the brand is one thing but this is more like invasion of the body snatchers
My thoughts exactly. I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with a Tom Gerard -¬ post. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:31:00 -
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Until one day in the future someone or some group will stand up and challenge those in control. It's happened before with BoB, It's happened recently with the NC, and I'm not gonna be surprised if it happens to the Goons one day. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:49:00 -
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Am I actually posting in a real Tom Gerard thread? What on earth? I go away for a while and come back to find that he makes sense...... |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.25 13:55:00 -
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Nah, Tom is wrong, a bit off, a tad out of kilter as normal. The only tears that CCP are listening to right now are sub numbers, aka income, aka generating enough money via Eve to fund DUST and WoD. Especially after the WiS drama.
Tears of the Masses do get CCP's attention, but that's a reactive strategy. Methinks that CCP is trying to be proactive in making the game appealing to a larger base in order to grow the game and reduce churn. Meaning, they're making high-sec "dumber" not because of the tears, but because they want to attract and keep more first time players.
/.02 isk
edit: This is not to imply that I think high-sec is getting "dumber." "Dumber" is a term to mean making it easier for newbies to get their feet wet, which invariably and inappropriately the HTFU crowd calls a dumbing down of the game.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:28:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:
The final concern of the Hive still remains, CCP does not react to issues until they affect the majority of players.
So CCP stopped the ice interdiction?
Oh wait no...
So they outlawed Hulkageddon right?
huh, wrong again...
So theyve decided theyre banning anyone involved in Burn Jita?
Theyre said theyre "doing nothing"
I think youre premise is flawed...
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
419
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:30:00 -
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Goons have been around a long time. Just ask 'em. They may have altered the forum game, and the fanfest game, but the game game is still the same game game it was before they...did whatever it is they're supposed to have done.
Wickedly imaginative post, however. Things tend to grow within the imagination. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:30:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:No, not really.
The Goons are actually pretty honest about what they want to do with EVE Online - have fun at the expense of others and ruin the game as thoroughly as they can manage. And, you know, I don't like that goal one bit, but I can (sort of?) respect the honesty of flat-out stating that. Trying to pass it off as "Goons care about EVE!" is actually kind of disingenuous. This is just you. Some Goons made a little riot on the forum yesterday and probably got banned for spamming. I laughed a lot about it as I saw it happening. I thanked them in a single comment. Now my main got banned, too, for thanking Goons . Is this the kind of EVE you want? Goons are right as rain, right as Incursions, right as Falcon, and some people have fallen behind socially and need to do some catching up. When you cannot win and it makes you sad then start doing something about it. Just do not sit there and wait for the world to give it to you. Goons are medicine.
My main got banned for quoting a threat made to me by MeMichael something or other than he's hit the report button on every post I make cause thats "spam" He also got it onve for calling BoB BoD back in the day cause that was trolling.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:34:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Nah, Tom is wrong, a bit off, a tad out of kilter as normal. The only tears that CCP are listening to right now are sub numbers, aka income, aka generating enough money via Eve to fund DUST and WoD. Especially after the WiS drama.
Tears of the Masses do get CCP's attention, but that's a reactive strategy. Methinks that CCP is trying to be proactive in making the game appealing to a larger base in order to grow the game and reduce churn. Meaning, they're making high-sec "dumber" not because of the tears, but because they want to attract and keep more first time players.
/.02 isk
edit: This is not to imply that I think high-sec is getting "dumber." "Dumber" is a term to mean making it easier for newbies to get their feet wet, which invariably and inappropriately the HTFU crowd calls a dumbing down of the game.
Yup best thing Goons could do for the game is unsub in protest. Not just cause it would get them out of the game either.
If you think about it, thats both the best and the worst thing they could do. They wanna break EVE? Unsub in protest over and over. On every issue. wont be too amazingly long before CCP is too scared to make changes in their own game.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
204
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:44:00 -
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We loaf goonz! UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:46:00 -
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ah **** it...
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Jessica Sweetwater
Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Tech The Forgotten Templars
7
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:47:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Introduction:These Goons are not the enemy, they are quite possibly the best thing to ever happen to EVE. They have an agenda which includes some considerations for the long-term success of the game however, their implementation is often intentionally brutal, sadistic, but always involves copious quantities of dark humor. What makes a Goon cry?
- At one point in time, not too long ago EVE was perceived by the masses as having two separate sides, the null-sec, and the high-sec and that there was no meaningful interaction between the two. That isn't what a single-shard universe is all about.
- If the production process is not properly balanced the entire system could be controlled or even collapsed by only a few, New Eden may be vast but when imbalances are allowed to occur it unnecessarily shrinks the size of the game.
- Not too long ago, Super-capitals were not fun for anyone, and needed to be fixed.
- CCP will not address gameplay issues until they affect the majority of the player base.
The tears do nothing!The Goons found themselves faced with these concerns cried for an awfully long time through thousands if not tens of thousands of forum posts, however the response received was unanimous nobody cares when a Goon cries. The hive learned a valuable lesson, the tears of others not only taste sweeter, but could change the universe. The HiveTo my knowledge two massively successful implementations of the philosophy of putting the tears of others to work include the pursuit of a Technetium monopoly as well as an interdiction of Oxygen Isotopes. These various implementations imagined by the Goons have all been felt and experienced by ALL players, it is now undeniable that null-sec politics directly affect high-sec profit margins. This resolves the Hive's first issue, a complete universe. CCP has mentioned "Ring Mining", as an solution to the moon-goo imbalances while an idea and an implementation are far from the same, this at least addresses the Hive's second issue, a balanced system of production. The Goons had, and continue to hold a significant super capital fleet, however they championed a campaign to have these behemoths brought in-line with the competition. The Hive cannot take full credit, but the 2011 CSM certainly voiced their opinions, and the repercussions have been felt by super-capital pilots as recently as yesterday's patch. This resolves the Hive's third issue, Super-capitals Online... no longer. The FutureThe final concern of the Hive still remains, CCP does not react to issues until they affect the majority of players. However we can rest uneasily knowing that our friends, the Goons will continue to have their concerns felt across the universe, rumors and fears surround the "Burn Jita" campaign we can only guess what the future may hold, but it may be a good idea to run from it.
If you belive anything you just wrote your a damn ******* idiot.
Unbelievable pice of tripe
Goon alt spotted |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:51:00 -
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The goons are what eve is supposed to be
A bunch of players coming together. Building an empire and leaving a lasting mark on the game. And having the option to do it peacefully, through war or through behind the scenes actions.
This is the entire reason anyone plays eve. ever.
To acquire money and power, however the means. My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
stoicfaux
971
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:52:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Yup best thing Goons could do for the game is unsub in protest. Not just cause it would get them out of the game either.
If you think about it, thats both the best and the worst thing they could do. They wanna break EVE? Unsub in protest over and over. On every issue. wont be too amazingly long before CCP is too scared to make changes in their own game.
Short term yes, long term no. A ~3% drop in active subs[1] would probably freak out the CCP business managers. However, a Goon withdrawal would create a huge power vacuum that folks would rush to fill, which could make the game fun with a Wild West style land rush and thus encourage people (and their friends) to sub.
More importantly, CCP could decide to buffer themselves against such organized mass unsubs by adding bunches of high-sec PvE features to grab more casual players to protect against such sub losses, for better or worse. So yeah, Goons unsubbing could "destroy" the game by increasing the Carebear Quotient and by creating a Carebear focused mindset in CCP, but I doubt they could actually deal a crippling wound, much less a fatal one.
/.01 isk
[1] Assuming that the ~10,000 CSM votes is a decent approximation of the number of active Goon accounts.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
225
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:57:00 -
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I've seen the Goons operate in a couple other games. In each case, the management stepped in, and the Goons left. EvE might actually be different though, you never know. I am presuming that those other Goons are the same Goons we have here, at least in their philosophy of ruining the game...which was definitely their stated goal in those other games. It's all entertaining from a player perspective, but it doesn't generate subscriptions, and might be negative in that regard. No game company has ever stepped up and published what the "Goon Effect" was with regard to their game's popularity. I know that in WWII Online, it pissed off quite a few commanders (guild leaders), when their "secret" ops were exposed to the enemy. Their behavior does tend to illuminate problems with game mechanics in some cases though. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:07:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Tom Gerard wrote:
The final concern of the Hive still remains, CCP does not react to issues until they affect the majority of players.
So CCP stopped the ice interdiction? Oh wait no... So they outlawed Hulkageddon right? huh, wrong again... So theyve decided theyre banning anyone involved in Burn Jita? Theyre said theyre "doing nothing" I think youre premise is flawed...
1. No ice for you, it's a sandbox 2. No Hulk for you, it's a sandbox 3. No Jita for you, it's a sandbox
If the miners are totally miserable because they keep getting ganked and do not learn to do something else besides mine, or change their way of mining, then it's on them.
In a way, all three of your rants are based on the industrialists and miners. Apparently the Goons love miners and want to play with them endlessly. It will take an epic response from the miners to communicate a change need to CCP. Once all the miners stop mining, and the mineral prices skyrocket past the speculators dreams, then maybe - just maybe - CCP will step in and make some changes. Miners have more power to affect EVE then the Goons could ever dream. However, there is no leadership or consensuses on how to implement to playing the sandbox using the Goon's proven strategy. Be that as it may with all the tears from miners on the forums, the Goons have proven that their method works, despite the madness. |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:10:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Tom Gerard wrote:
The final concern of the Hive still remains, CCP does not react to issues until they affect the majority of players.
So CCP stopped the ice interdiction? Oh wait no... So they outlawed Hulkageddon right? huh, wrong again... So theyve decided theyre banning anyone involved in Burn Jita? Theyre said theyre "doing nothing" I think youre premise is flawed...
None of these are outside teh EULA
and ALL OF THESE had and will continue to have and lasting impact on the game.
Mission Accomplished My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
505
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:14:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Am I actually posting in a real Tom Gerard thread? What on earth? I go away for a while and come back to find that he makes sense......
It's the Xenuria effect. We can be serious when we want to. The Future of GoonSwarm |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
699
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:23:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:No, not really.
The Goons are actually pretty honest about what they want to do with EVE Online - have fun at the expense of others and ruin the game as thoroughly as they can manage. And, you know, I don't like that goal one bit, but I can (sort of?) respect the honesty of flat-out stating that. Trying to pass it off as "Goons care about EVE!" is actually kind of disingenuous.
Why would we ruin the game we love?
No, ask yourself this: Who is ruining eve more?
* Botters destroying the economy via nearly free Ice and Minerals. * Idiots who completely refuse to grasp the concept of a Sandbox MMO and want the game to be turned into WOW in Space. * A successful PVP alliance who, other than screwing with #1 (Ice Interdiction) and #2 (Jita Holocaust), stay mostly in Nullsec.
Hint: It's not 3. I'm torn on if it's 1 or 2; 1 is clearly bad (botting leads to a situation where you have to bot to keep up with the botters) but 2 is far more insidious. |
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