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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.26 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Khrillian on 26/02/2009 05:11:02 Just wondering...I use player run labs, I don't understand how other people don't. Is your BPO really so crappy that you're willing to wait 40 days to do whatever you want to it?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.26 05:12:00 -
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This thread serves a purpose.
I just can't figure it out yet.
Sig is now EVE related. Happy mods?
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.26 05:16:00 -
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You can create alt who can run 6 slots without any training whatsoever. And yes - most BPO's are indeed that crappy.
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 05:31:00 -
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I do my ME runs in 0.0 NPC stations. shortest I seen was Open - 5 days queue. When I do BPOs that are worth more then 40M I'll set up a POS lab. ---
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:05:00 -
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There are people in EvE whom either can't afford or can't be bothered to use player run labs. Myself for example.
There are also people in EvE that own player-run labs that use crappy BPOs to hog the NPC lab slots while simultaneously offering their own lab slots for a "modest" fee, but that's kinda off-topic here.
Even though I'm doing lab jobs that I would like to finish in the same month that I started them, I never consider them important enough that they can't wait. |
Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:51:00 -
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The looooong wait times for lab slots just discourage folks that might be interested in that whole BPO/invention occupation/career track. I, for one, took one look at how long the queues were and decided the hell with it, I'll do something else.
YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:54:00 -
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This may blow your mind, but there's more than one system in EVE with lab slots.
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:58:00 -
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true winterblink. But we cant forget about people doing ME100 on battleship prints (true story! saw some on contracts recently)
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: brinelan true winterblink. But we cant forget about people doing ME100 on battleship prints (true story! saw some on contracts recently)
Or ammo BPOs with ME 500. Saving 1 tritanium is serious business!
New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: brinelan true winterblink. But we cant forget about people doing ME100 on battleship prints (true story! saw some on contracts recently)
OH dear god.
At that point the system should punch the user in the face. :)
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: brinelan true winterblink. But we cant forget about people doing ME100 on battleship prints (true story! saw some on contracts recently)
*sigh*
That'd take what, 6 months? A year?
Most ship BPCs I see for sale are ridiculously over-researched. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing is what is clogging up research queues. Fortunately I have a lab with no wait.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari Heaven's Gate Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:28:00 -
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People who dont give a ****?
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:56:00 -
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Research is logarithmic so you can research to ME20 but to save a tiny fraction more, you need to go to 100.
Since 20 is close enough to perfect for most, CCP should put a ME20 cap on BP's being researched out of NPC labs. If you want more, set up your own lab. I see on BPC's on contracts that have ME100 and somethimes as much as ME200 and wonder how much ME slot time has been taken up just to save 1 unit of minerals. It's getting really stupid and these people are taking up slots for an unnecessary amount of time for absolutely no reason, denying access to those who want to learn how to do it.
I stopped building a long time ago due to the stupidly long waits for ME research to even start. When you look at waits of weeks before a slot is free to begin research, it puts you off playing that aspect of the game. I know of a couple of people I persuaded join Eve, they wanted to be manufacturers but left because of the problems getting material research slots. These people were interested in learning how to do it and then move to an alliance in nullsec to manufacture for them, not the type that would stay in highsec selling in Jita and just making obscene amounts of isk.
Not only is it annoying the hell out of those of us who want to manufacture the odd items for ourselves, it's turning away players who want to be professional manufacturers and then go on to become active players rather than just marketing bots.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
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rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian Edited by: Khrillian on 26/02/2009 05:11:02 Just wondering...I use player run labs, I don't understand how other people don't. Is your BPO really so crappy that you're willing to wait 40 days to do whatever you want to it?
No Im about to setup a pos myself actually once apocrypha hits. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig? |
Juliet SoulBurner
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:40:00 -
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I accidently the whole bpo
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.26 23:50:00 -
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I had a crazy ass idea in my signature but Im waiting on apothrica to finish out its features before redoing it but basically it would encourage players to go out dig stuff up on the field (almost anywhere where miners can mine) to feed a personal lab which sits in a hangerbay somewhere, a hobby scale and small industrial scale lab that only does first few levels without being counter intuitive in material cost (which scales up as research is furthered) Station labs and POS labs will retain superiority over personal labs in terms of research and the sort but still figuring out personal lab quirks that make it appealing but not the 'must have'. which is very hard to come up with. =============
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/02/2009 00:07:02 Long waits are fine if you only manufacture a few key items for yourself, although it isn't necessary to wait 40 days if you're willing to go to an out-of-the-way lab, in which case there's still at least a handful with no waiting periods.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink This may blow your mind, but there's more than one system in EVE with lab slots.
Winterblink, have you forgotten the days in 2005-2006, after they doubled the slots, when you could get a slot instantly?
I haven't. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:19:00 -
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no offensive to peoples mathematical ability, or to those that oppose the dumbing down of eve, but a clear indication prior to research telling the prospective researcher what gains are going to be made from that extra 250 ME would probably help.
I mean lets face it, given a choice:
sit down with each BP and run the formula to determine "perfect" ME or research it to ludicrous levels but never do any mental gymnastics
what is the average human going to pick?
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Juliet SoulBurner I accidently the whole bpo
as long you dont put Beer in a Sodastream , everything should be fine :)
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 27/02/2009 00:23:33 I'm a tad confused here. Why not just do the following?
1) Sell GTC or plex for piles of ISK
2) Buy small POS and use your high Empire standings (if you are using Empire NPC stations I am assuming you are a carebear with kiss-butt-master level standings to one of the Empires.) to plant it at a moon in a quiet Empire system.
3) Install a few guns and a bunch of research mods for the POS
4) Research to your heart's content.
Seriously. Small Gallente POSes (great for research!) are CHEAP AS DIRT to buy and fuel. While I can see a newbie not being able to do this, ANY industrial/invention player at least 6 months old should be able to do this with ease.
However, I can also see the point about people doing stupid amounts of research on BPO's just to block up slots. Some kind of limit on NPC research slots (both in time allowed and number of slots allowed) should be instituted so that newbies will have open slots available.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:35:00 -
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It's ridiculous, CCP should either fix the POS system and let players install on non-alliance/corp POSes or they should bloody well open more slots.
It's not rocket science, as the population increases so too must the slots. I'm reasonably sure they haven't added any slots since red moon rising. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:37:00 -
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I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/02/2009 00:40:26
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
For the sake of parity with the past we should not have lost the advantage of being able to use public slots. The advantage of using a POS lab is the actual speed at which the research is done, with the bonus. What it's NOT supposed to be is a replacement for the entire system.
It didn't used to be this bad, and it's only going to get worse when the population increases with the expansion. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink This may blow your mind, but there's more than one system in EVE with lab slots.
Are you in touch with reality ?
I have access to a small part of low sec and 0.0 with my alliance,hardly any free slots there.
I,like most ,have access to all of Empire,please tell me where the free lab slots are ,thanks ====================
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/02/2009 00:40:26
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
For the sake of parity with the past we should not have lost the advantage of being able to use public slots. The advantage of using a POS lab is the actual speed at which the research is done, with the bonus. What it's NOT supposed to be is a replacement for the entire system.
It didn't used to be this bad, and it's only going to get worse when the population increases with the expansion.
you never used a lab back in the old system then i take it.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/02/2009 00:40:26
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
For the sake of parity with the past we should not have lost the advantage of being able to use public slots. The advantage of using a POS lab is the actual speed at which the research is done, with the bonus. What it's NOT supposed to be is a replacement for the entire system.
It didn't used to be this bad, and it's only going to get worse when the population increases with the expansion.
you never used a lab back in the old system then i take it.
You must be forgetting the period before they changed the system but after they doubled the slots per station. I know damn well how things were before they doubled the slots, just like things now. Only now it is worse. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
Maybe you should read the OP. I'm wondering why so many people don't do exactly what you're describing.
Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 27/02/2009 00:23:33 I'm a tad confused here. Why not just do the following?
I'm a tad confused too. Why not just read the OP?
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/02/2009 00:40:26
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I don't understand your question are you whining?
If you want to reseacrch a print set up a pos chuck a lab on it and voila, its not hard, its not expensive.
For the sake of parity with the past we should not have lost the advantage of being able to use public slots. The advantage of using a POS lab is the actual speed at which the research is done, with the bonus. What it's NOT supposed to be is a replacement for the entire system.
It didn't used to be this bad, and it's only going to get worse when the population increases with the expansion.
you never used a lab back in the old system then i take it.
You must be forgetting the period before they changed the system but after they doubled the slots per station. I know damn well how things were before they doubled the slots, just like things now. Only now it is worse.
Actually its better now because you can set up a pos and put a lab on it something you couldnt do in the old system.
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Coronae Borealis
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff It's ridiculous, CCP should either fix the POS system and let players install on non-alliance/corp POSes or they should bloody well open more slots.
It's not rocket science, as the population increases so too must the slots. I'm reasonably sure they haven't added any slots since red moon rising.
Do you have a clue how many moons are there without POS?
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