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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kom Bat Do the long standing and loyal players of EVE get the special edition shuttle too?
No, we got the jove shuttle.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 26/02/2009 13:06:16 Rellik B00n said ôBalance is better than its ever been, development is going better than its ever gone and CCP appear to be listening to the customer base more than ever. What do you want? Blood?ö Development is going better than ever? The past two expansions have been the smallest and worse yet and this next one is not looking that good as content goes now most of it has been cut out. We barely get any content these days. I want the old days back with a wide amount of content for a wide amount of players and play styles.
People are only complaining as they remember how awesome and big the pre 1998 expansions where. The new expansions pales in comparison to the pre 1998 expansions and to make matters worse the new teams are bigger yet we get less content per expansion.
wow you can find pre 1998 expansions? impressive.
oh and if you meant 2008, you lying. when trinity came out people just whined about it being too small. hell I can find 2000 quotes at least about every past expansion not being an expansion. I as remember "eveonlien sdoesn't have expansions, they ar too small, they are just content patches"
seriously, so far this expansion has more new features and content than any past expansion, and they got it done in 3 months.
wtf do you people want.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:31:00 -
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MotherMoon said ôseriously, so far this expansion has more new features and content than any past expansion, and they got it done in 3 months.ô Hardly. One line of ship, wormhole space and errm thatÆs it as far as new content goes. Apart from the one mission arch that you can do once every 3 months.
Compare that to say revelations which had 8 new regions, new lines of ships, salvaging, exportation, contracts, fleets and all the new combat stuff, rigs and what ever else I missed.
What about Red Moon Rising now that was an expansion with lots of content. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Compare that to say revelations which had 8 new regions.
And you have now near 2500 new systems!!!
ps: learn to quote properly, ffs.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:47:00 -
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Silly me. I know I missed something - that damn feature list in apoc .. something page is scrollable. Thats how my list ended up ... short. Those little arrows next to it ... yeah.
And I guess I'll hold my gloom and doom a little more before I spill the rest of it. Next iteration of tech 3 cruiser components is out in SiSi so I'll have to go and see myself what changed. Hulls - more expensive; Subsystems - cheaper. At least that is how they say it to be atm. And strongly tweaked slot layouts they say.
As far as overall patch quality goes - I'm not too grumpy over it. Seems okish so far. It's just that I wanted more! Unlike some previous patches this does not seem to have mechaniks or content that ****es me off when I have to endure it (like inability to use pos labs cross corp or making motherships (relatively) useless half year after I started my supercap alt).
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Hardly. One line of ship,
= 972 new ships.
Quote: wormhole space
= 2,500 new systems — a 50% increase in the size of the game world.
Quote: and errm that’s it as far as new content goes
You haven't actually read the features list, have you?
Quote: Compare that to say revelations which had 8 new regions
So that's 2,500 new systems in Apocrypha against how many in Rev?
Quote: new lines of ships
So that's 972 new ships in Apocrypha against how many in Rev?
Quote: exportation, contracts, fleets and all the new combat stuff
None of which is content, only new mechanics. Compare this to the NPE, new AI, skill queue, respec, UI upgrades, new art, new sound engine, new graphics engine, full Mac support (finally), a new mission engine (only has one mission pack in it yet, but more is to come).
Quote: salvaging, rigs
Just a new set of products to produce with a new set of components, kind of like T3. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:03:00 -
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Quote: The feature page says new sound engine “An assault on all the senses! Improvements have been made to offer a crisper, richer sound experience, such as unique sounds for NPCs. We’ve set the stage for some amazing future improvements.”
This line speak about new sounds, but not a new sound engine. This is a difference, and so this needs precision from CCP.
If keeeping the old one and tweak it to have better sounds can be called an improvement, then they should keep EvE Classic... I need a performance-wise sound engine.
Quote: = 2,500 new systems — a 50% increase in the size of the game world.
Who are not easily accessible, don't forget it. So a majority of players will not take care of them.
Quote: = 972 new ships.
Few ships with combinaisons, not 972... Not easily buildables as we will need special stuffs from wormhole (so probably expensive depending of the offer) and who can make a skill loss related of them at each loss. Fewly attractive in real fight. For me, this ships will become the new mission reference ships, not more.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 26/02/2009 17:43:54 Sky Marshal said " This line speak about new sounds, but not a new sound engine" Its hidden away but the feature page says "New sound engine" http://www.eveonline.com/apocrypha/index.html
Tippia said ô= 972 new ships.ö I thought it was a lot less then that now they removed all those promised sections. Perhaps I added up wrong. Still I expected more than just T3 ships and wormhole space. As much as I like the idea of T3 itÆs still however many ship of the same class with slight variations. Slight variations of the same ship are not as good as getting Destroyers, Battlecruisers, Mining Barges, Titans, Motherships, Carriers. Along with 23 new Tech 2 ships over different ship classes. It might be less ships but the variation is much better. I was expecting more variation from the expansion something like T3 ships and 1 or 2 other new ship lines. Perhaps some new T1 lines or T2. I am not too worried about fewer sections for T3 ships for now but I did expect there to be something more than just T3 ships.
Tippia said ôYou haven't actually read the features list, have you?ö Yes I have there are plenty of features but very little actual game content. UI tweaks, sound and graphics upgrades are not what I would call content. Those are features and nice features but they donÆt give you anything to do in game. Content to me is stuff you do like new missions, new complexes, modules, ships, new gameplay.
Sound and graphics upgrades are all very welcome but that is not enough. Sound and graphics upgrades should come as standard. I was expecting more like drone implants, more normal missions and other minor but important content changes like new LP rewards and just general stuff for players to do.
Tippia said ôSo that's 972 new ships in Apocrypha against how many in Rev?ö I said line of ships. ItÆs one line of ships for Apocrypha V something like 10+ lines for Red Moon and two lines in rev ThatÆs the problem with the past 2 Eve expansions and the new one they have been two focused at last I believe so. The older expansions had a wide amount of very different content for lots of areas of Eve there was something for almost everyone. The past 3 expansions have been too tightly focused with a lot of players going without anything that interested them. I preferred the older expansions with lots of different stuff for lot of different players.
As for how many sectors in rev I donÆt recall over 1000 I think. As for ôCompare this to the NPE, new AI, skill queue, respec, UI upgrades, new art, new sound engine, new graphics engine,ö itÆs all nice but itÆs hardly new content for older players to do. Well the new AI is content for old players but itÆs limited to one area of the game. Most expansions in MMORPGs that have new art, new sound engine, new graphics also come with tons of content on top.
In short what new stuff can you do in empire, 0.0 or low sec apart from wormholes or T3? What are new things to do in game outside wormhole space? All I see are building T3 ships and flying T3 ships.The mission arch is something new but it barley counts as you can only do it once in 3 months.
What I believe CCP should do is put one team to work on just basic easy to implant content. A team that does nothing that requires implanting new systems or hard to programme content. A team that focuses on relatively easy to do content like new LP rewards, new implants like drone ones, new modules perhaps for modules that don't have T2 versions. Now put that teams work with the other teams working on big stuff like wormholes and T3 and you have tone truely great expansion.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kom Bat Do the long standing and loyal players of EVE get the special edition shuttle too?
Do you only pay for this game to do CCP a favour in hope they will do a favour to you or do you pay for this game because you like it? If it is because you like it then you are equal to new and old players and there is no reason to favour you before others.
If you pay to get a favour in return then you should stop playing eve.
And to all those whiners complaining about every single addon. You get those for free and so have no right to whine here. If you do not like how it is you then you can allways stop paying.
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Wloire
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.26 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Wloire on 26/02/2009 19:26:11
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
but Eve is lagging a bit graphics wise, so focusing on that makes sense.
Wait what? Even the classic graphics engine was better then most of the "big names" on the MMO market. New graphics and effects are awe worthy enough though.
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carmella bing
The Mogadishu Butchers Shop
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Posted - 2009.02.26 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wloire Edited by: Wloire on 26/02/2009 19:26:11
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
but Eve is lagging a bit graphics wise, so focusing on that makes sense.
Wait what? Even the classic graphics engine was better then most of the "big names" on the MMO market. New graphics and effects are awe worthy enough though.
Nope, I want the graphics on the new teasers. eg. here
I'd settle for some AA on the options tbh
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WeirdNoise
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile - Pressing Tab in the login screen will switch between the username field and the password field, without selecting the drop-down arrow anymore.
EPIC !
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:48:00 -
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If you can't pronounce the name of the Expansion right...then you know it's going to bomb out.
I think? ...
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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WeirdNoise
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 26/02/2009 13:20:53 Rellik B00n said ôBalance is better than its ever been, development is going better than its ever gone and CCP appear to be listening to the customer base more than ever. What do you want? Blood?ö Development is going better than ever? The past two expansions have been the smallest and worse yet and this next one is not looking that good as content goes now most of it has been cut out. We barely get any content these days. I want the old days back with a wide amount of content for a wide amount of players and play styles.
People are only complaining as they remember how awesome and big the pre 2008 expansions where. The new expansions pales in comparison to the pre 2008 expansions and to make matters worse the new teams are bigger yet we get less content per expansion.
We all know why this is, don't we. As with all game companies, CCP is using EVE as a cash cow to fuel its new MMO's development and other business ventures.
They all do that don't they? They hook you up on their shiny product then instead of using YOUR money to improve YOUR game they make another one to bring more suckers in.
Dreaming of a players-owned MMO... and a hostile corporate takeover of a game company by its customers.
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rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.02.27 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex There seems to be a lot of wine (as usual) around forums. So I tought it would be cool to take a look at last big expansion Quantum Rise and then extrapolate to the upcoming Apoc .. something in wild speculations how it all fails, as it always does.
Quantum rise features * Stackless IO (good) * EVE64 (server side) (uber) * Alchemy (oh what a fail) * Industrial ship love (Orca - relatively meh for me) * User Interface changes (wapon grouping, module activation timers - happyhappyjoyjoy for me) * Speed rebalanced (happens - overall relatively meh) * Ammunition cost change (50% ccheaper bombs - and they are now used?) * Certificates (good idea - need more polish) * Medals (err .. ok - well I have 2, granted them to me myself) * New RealX Tracks (eve has voice?) * New stargates (oooh ... shiny) * Improved Travel (autopilot - relatively meh) * Assemlby Array Upgrades (meh - who is nuts enough to manufacture in POS) * ETC secure trading (PLEX stuff - ok, why not) Full link: http://www.eveonline.com/features/QuantumRise/
Apoc ... something * Wormholes (pretty ... but lethal) * Tech 3 cruisers (replacement for Black Ops err .. 'discussion') * Tech 3 production (shiny ... if you find anyone willing to pay you 1+ bil for cruiser) * New player experience (cool) * Epic mission arc (A Epic Mission? Like a whole mission?) Full link: http://www.eveonline.com/apocrypha/index.html
Hope you guys have your cheese at hand as now I shall pour some wine. As anyone can see at a glance the new expansion gives us few lego bits that so far seem to be in the ballpark of battlecruiser capabilities in the best combinations and some shiny stuff to distract us for a bit. Ships introduced will be upgraded later (as always - like black ops and motherships will be). There will be some uses for the ships for those with deep wallets and more than 3 braincells to figure out that some subsystems do not fit there where sun does not shine. The feature list seems somewhat ... on the short side. Given the little 2 weeks remaining - as most likely feature freeze is long past it's going to be final list we see - well with perhaps few additional gadgets but thats the patch... So - this is at last the long promised industrial expansion - bringing tears of joy for all bears. Like Alchemy did ...
Normally im fairly tolerant and don't flat out tell someone to F*** off....
But seriously, if your so ****ing stupid that you can't see all the work that was put into this expansion, and all the benefits you as a player get for FREE, then seriously.... gtfo out eve.
Leave.
that's pretty much all I have to say. I'll be enjoying my free expansion while you cancel your accounts and go whine in a corner somewhere. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig? |
Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:16:00 -
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I'm afraid it would take a lot more than 'not-as-shiny-as-wanted' expansion to make me go away. So I'm afraid you might have to endure me a while longer
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.27 07:18:00 -
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rValdez5987 said "But seriously, if your so ****ing stupid that you can't see all the work that was put into this expansion, and all the benefits you as a player get for FREE, then seriously.... gtfo out eve." It's not free you paying a large amount of money per year due to your high subscription price that covers the expansion. Just like other MMORPG's. Even if you play time is by isk someone else is covering your account with cash. As people are paying cash and are getting less content or feel like they are getting less content then other games. Along with less content then we used to in old expansions we have a right to complain.
Although I have to say I think this expansion is better than the last two, but still not up to the standard of the older expansions.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.27 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
It's not free you paying a large amount of money per year due to your high subscription price that covers the expansion. Just like other MMORPG's. Even if you play time is by isk someone else is covering your account with cash. As people are paying cash and are getting less content or feel like they are getting less content then other games. Along with less content then we used to in old expansions we have a right to complain.
Although I have to say I think this expansion is better than the last two, but still not up to the standard of the older expansions.
I actually quite like EVE subsription model. No 'entry fee' to talk of (5$ on first sub aint that bad) as you just pay for the playtime. I rather dislike subscription models where you have to 'buy' the game up front just to install it and then in addition sub fee every month just to be able to play the game you 'own'. Those buy + sub schemes make me feel a bit cheated, so I prefer either EVE model (just sub) or Guildwars model (every expansion will cost you, but no sub). Out of those two I think EVE one would offer the company a bit more stability.
As far as actual content goes - it's somewhat subjective. Some little things - while not being actual content will give a lot to the actual gameplay (like ability to export/import overview settings and ship fits). I'm sure all those devs are not sitting on their hands just looking pretty. I'm still somewhat disapointed as far as the key feature - tech 3 ships - are going. But it's still few weeks before they actually go live, so it's not time (just yet) to go all doom and gloom how they utterly fail. Afterall what one is considering utter fail is for other guy pure win. So far when looking for mission pwnmobile I must say that last iteration is better (Tengu, 8 hi, 6 med 3 low - 7 missile slots) but as actual bonuses are not yet on display on the modules themselves then I'm not holding my breath over it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey It's not free you paying a large amount of money per year due to your high subscription price that covers the expansion. Just like other MMORPG's.
…funnily enough, even with the expansions included, the EVE subscription is still cheaper than "that other" MMO where you also have to pay through the nose for the expansions. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.27 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Pottsey It's not free you paying a large amount of money per year due to your high subscription price that covers the expansion. Just like other MMORPG's.
àfunnily enough, even with the expansions included, the EVE subscription is still cheaper than "that other" MMO where you also have to pay through the nose for the expansions.
Actually our higher subs are ONLY due to CCP being a smaller company.
We pay "through the nose" for our subs to keep the damn company going.
Blizzard can afford less subs, for example, because they have a HUGE client base.
EVE doesn't. EVE needs higher subs for the servers to stay online.
This whole "we pay more subs for the content we get" is bull. They are free 'cause honestly, if they DID ask money for expansions, we'd all pay anyway.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.27 10:23:00 -
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So to sum up...
Umbrellas are definitely OP'd and need to be nerfed.
Please nerf. |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.27 12:05:00 -
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Tippia said ôàfunnily enough, even with the expansions included, the EVE subscription is still cheaper than "that other" MMO where you also have to pay through the nose for the expansions.ö I donÆt see it as cheaper. Out of all the MMOÆs I play or played Eve is the most expensive by far and gets the last amount of new content at least these days. If that other MMO is Wow donÆt they get fee content patches as big as EveÆs expansions? I donÆt really know much about that game. Pretty sure I have seen the odd news post on websites about Wow content patch today. Then again I could be wrong I donÆt followed it closely.
Sheriff Jones said ôActually our higher subs are ONLY due to CCP being a smaller company. We pay "through the nose" for our subs to keep the damn company going.ö I donÆt agree as all the other smaller companies and MMOÆs I play or played have cheaper subs.
Sheriff Jones said ôI actually quite like EVE subsription model.ö I do as well but I thought it was the standard model. Try for free and sub for a monthly amount if you like it. DonÆt most MMOÆs work like that?
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.27 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
I do as well but I thought it was the standard model. Try for free and sub for a monthly amount if you like it. DonÆt most MMOÆs work like that?
Not quite. Standard is 35 to 50 eur/$ for 'game' and you get first 30 days for 'free' with that. Then you need to sub if you have not reached max level in that time. Expansions usually cost additoional ~35 eur/$ on top of regular sub.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:49:00 -
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Carniflex said ôStandard is 35 to 50 eur/$ for 'game' and you get first 30 days for 'free' with that.ö ThatÆs optional. Nearly all MMOÆs have free trails like Eve then you sub to that game. Not one of the MMOÆs I have played or any majors one I can think of need you to buy the box.
What is the rato of MMOs that charge for expansions and ones that give free expansions? ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Skram
Strategic OverKill
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: carmella bing I'd settle for some AA on the options tbh
Turn Off HDR = AA.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:04:00 -
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Pottsey can you please learn how to quote? ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: WeirdNoise
Originally by: Serpents smile - Pressing Tab in the login screen will switch between the username field and the password field, without selecting the drop-down arrow anymore.
EPIC !
W00T!!!! I have typed my password into the drop down box so many times
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:23:00 -
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as for my above post, did they change typing in password and then switching the username clearing the password box?
Originally by: Furb Killer Pottsey can you please learn how to quote?
I think the answer to that one is never!
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carmella bing
The Mogadishu Butchers Shop
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skram
Originally by: carmella bing I'd settle for some AA on the options tbh
Turn Off HDR = AA.
I want HDR and AA and all that good stuff, all working at the same time; like many other games seem to manage just fine.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 27/02/2009 18:02:46 Furb Killer said "Pottsey can you please learn how to quote?" The sweat irony behind what you just said. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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