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Knight Hippaforalkus
Gallente Cut Throats And Wise Guys
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:32:00 -
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No offence to the Domi meant, I do plan on having one in the future when I improve my drone skills that bit more,
You see constant talk about CNR vs Golem.
I want to ask about the Megathron Navy Issue and the Kronos.
I really wanted a Kronos for a while and still really do, but while messing around on EFT I noticed something. I could get a Navy Mega fit with the same DPS as my normal Mega but almost double the effective HP of a Kronos, OR more DPS than Mega (but still less than Kronos) and effective HP although not double the Kronos maybe about 50% more. Also, the Kronos does still have a slightly better defence efficiency, but when HP is that high is it really that different?
I do like the Kronos because of the whole salvage as you go / bigger cargo / fewer guns so using less ammo/cap.
What to choose?
Opinions welcome to help me decide.
K.H.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:48:00 -
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I would say...the Kronos. Even if the Navy mega is sexay as hell.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 28/02/2009 11:55:41 The Kronos makes using navy ammo much cheaper and at that price why not use it for more damage? If you PvE the extra defence make a difference and the Kronos can overheat its weapon longer more so if you use offline modules in the high slots as heatsinks. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey The Kronos makes using navy ammo much cheaper and at that price why not use it for more damage? If you PvE the extra defence make a difference and the Kronos can overheat its weapon longer more so if you use offline modules in the high slots as heatsyncs.
HeatSINKS. Not syncs.
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Knight Hippaforalkus
Gallente Cut Throats And Wise Guys
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey If you PvE the extra defence make a difference
I'm guessing you mean the defence efficiency? The difference between them isn't massive, not at my laptop just now so can't say exact but it is like 50-ish maybe, whereas the HP difference is something like 40-50k.
Will post exact numbers when I can.
K.H.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Knight Hippaforalkus
Originally by: Pottsey If you PvE the extra defence make a difference
I'm guessing you mean the defence efficiency? The difference between them isn't massive, not at my laptop just now so can't say exact but it is like 50-ish maybe, whereas the HP difference is something like 40-50k.
Will post exact numbers when I can.
K.H.
EHP is important in PvP, but means very little in PvE. For missioning, sustained tank is what counts.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Titan Industries Technology Team Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.28 16:07:00 -
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I used a Navy Mega for PvE for almost 18 months before swapping over to the Kronos. For PvE, the Kronos quite simply blows it out of the water (or deadspace). It does more damage, uses less ammo, has a better tank and can loot and salvage as you go. It's also easier to fit. It's also a lot more expensive now. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.02.28 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 28/02/2009 16:35:11 YOU MAY IGNORE THE DOMI, BUT YOU CAN NEVER SILENCE IT!
DOMI DOMI DOMI DOMI !!!
EDIT: DOMI!
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Knight Hippaforalkus
Gallente Cut Throats And Wise Guys
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri Edited by: Psiri on 28/02/2009 16:35:11 YOU MAY IGNORE THE DOMI, BUT YOU CAN NEVER SILENCE IT!
DOMI DOMI DOMI DOMI !!!
EDIT: DOMI!
I was wondering how long this would take! 7th reply, not bad.
K.H.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:55:00 -
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My Rav...Domi was fitted with the following:
[Dominix, rte] Draclira's Modified Large Armor Repairer Draclira's Modified Large Armor Repairer Draclira's Modified Large Armor Repairer Draclira's Modified Armor EM Hardener Draclira's Modified Armor EM Hardener Draclira's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener Draclira's Modified Armor Thermic Hardener
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I
Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
5256 Defence Efficieny. Two Large cap transfers applied though. But it's 100% Cap stable.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2009.02.28 18:31:00 -
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Kronos easy(flown the Navy Mega before).
It tanks better, got the better Cap, bigger Cargo, has the Web Bonus(only against close cruisers, no more Frig killing with the Rails ), don¦t needs Faction Items for the CPU(you will need quite some for 7 425mm Rails + Dronelink on the Navy Mega) and got extra High slots for Tractor/Salvager -> looting/salvaiging while you shooting the rest. Using 50% less Amno, if you feeling fancy enught for Faction Amno for PVE.
DPS is more or less the same(1 Gun vs 1 Sentry and agreeable 7.5% less Tracking if you don¦t go for Marauder 5).
Only downside is that I miss the 4. Sentry of the Navy Mega in the Kronos, wish It had 100m¦ Dronebandwide instead of 75m¦.
Everthing together it is easy to use, more relaxed, has actualy enught CPU to fit what you need in T2 and performs better at close range with the Web Bonus. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:01:00 -
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navy mega is teh sex kronos is teh fail nightmare is teh sexeh win [/constructive post] -------- Is that an Itty V in your pocket or ar you just happy to see me? |
demonfurbie
Minmatar Covert-Nexus
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Posted - 2009.02.28 20:13:00 -
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well i guess ill toss in my .02 euro
ive missioned in both and i settled on the hype
great tank and cheaper than both with 8 guns it makes better mission speed than the mega with only 7 and i never really cared for the kronos the web bonus on it sounds useful but its really not over all
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Erika Bronz
Gallente The Wyld Hunt
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Posted - 2009.03.01 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis EHP is important in PvP, but means very little in PvE. For missioning, sustained tank is what counts.
That's a overtanking statement.
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Spike 68
Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 08:53:00 -
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If PVE the kronos is the only way to go in this case for PVP it depends on what you want to do and what you want. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
Kronos kind of falls back on its low sensor strength and scan resolution however makes up for it with its web bonus and better cap sustainability. Also a Kronos will generally run a bit more expensive than a Navy Thron. The Kronos can only be intelligently actively tanked, because of the rep bonus.
The Navy Thron, along with having 8 lows, makes a great passive setup and imo isn't really worth it actively tanked although this is an option. The Navy Thron has lower resists but higher armor than the Kronos, further supporting the HP tank idea. A problem though is that you tend to run into cpu issues trying to fit that 8th low so I don't think ive ever had a Navy Thron that wasnt at least faction fit.
Tbh I dont think either is really all that much better than the other. Both can solo and gang support fine. In lowsec I would think to lean tword the Kronos because of the active tank but like I said it really doesnt matter. Also a neutron kronos will out dmg a megathron/navy thron. |
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