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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:39:32 Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:17:11 Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:08:50wall of text much
It's not CCP's responsibility to get anally retentive system assembly companies such as Dell or the like to allow you to install whichever drivers you please.
That issue stems from Dell's support teams wanting to be able to diagnose issues remotely knowing that they are working with their in-house approved drivers; much like a car manufacturer refusing to service parts of your engine if you're modified it with after-market parts.
So, instead of coming here to be upset about your system refusing to let you install the drivers you want, consider NOT getting a Dell system, knowing of this issue now, or getting Dell to stop nerfing the OS so that you can install the drivers you need to.
Besides, the issue is not exclusive to EVE; if any particular game refuses to run on the driver/gpu combination your Dell (or other) assembled PC/laptop is using, then the issue still falls back to Dell's policies, not CCP's.
As for the clients that are already paying and playing on their older (read: 5 years or older) hardware, it is unfortunate, but there are going to be far more new players that ARE able to run the game just fine, that will replace them until such a time as those older players are able to get a new system and possibly reactivate their account.
Hell, even the WoW Wrath of the Lich King box my friend left at my house says
"Note: Due to potential programming changes, the Minimum System Requirements for this game may change over time."
It should be acceptable for anyone getting into a game that is being developed in real time (yes, real, as in, the real world, where things change) that starting the game on your Commodore64 VIC-20 with its fancy pants 64kb expansion ram in 1989 does not mean you'll be able to play the 1993 version of the same game on the same system. ---
Incognito - Fierce - Deadly - IFD (Intergallactic Federation of Dummies) aka ATN
Ikari Dimji > I mustn't run away... I MUSTN'T RUN AWAY... I MUSTN'T RUN AWA- ooh, skittles! :D
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Overlord Havok
Caldari z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.05 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:16:05 Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:15:17 Apparantly you didnt read my post. MY MACHINE IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD. I HAD TO DO MAJOR WORK TO GET THE NEW CLIENT RUNNING. ALMOST ALL LAPTOPS HAVE THESE DRIVER ISSUES!
I have no idea where your getting this 5 years or older bullsh*t from. MANY NEW machines still will not be able to run the client. AND HOW IN GODS NAME WILL MAKING IT RUN ON HIGHER END SYSTEMS OPEN IT FOR MORE PEOPLE????!?!?! THEY WOULD ALREADY BE PLAYING NOW CAUSE IT WOULD ALREADY RUN YOU IDIOT!!
You must work for CCP cause your not getting it.
Your telling me I have to either buy a GAMING RIG, or a SUPER high end laptop.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THOSE LAYING AROUND??? DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK I'M GOING TO SPEND 2 GRAND TO PLAY EVE??? I JUST SPENT 1200 8 MONTHS AGO!!!
I'm not going to buy new machines everytime CCP wants to upgrade thier client.
In reality they dont feel like making textures and such for the classic client. Its too much for them they can put more energy into making premium stuff if they stop.
The problem with that is.....They are going to loose subscriptions as a result, making them loose money, making it harder to make premium stuff....do u see a trend, ITS A BAD IDEA.
So if you disagree with me now, come see me after the patch when the 41,000 users you normally see on, on a Sunday, drops below 25,000. Then you can argue with me how your right and I'm wrong.
To anyone out there getting so rudely booted from this game, "I'm sorry, I tried"
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.03.05 11:08:00 -
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where can i get this new client from!
i want it!
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.05 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:26:56 Wall of Text again.
Dude you should stop being a fan boy and really do some homework before you drop another 600$ on a laptop, mine can run prenium regular just fine with max settings and does so smoothly with nearly everything turned on.
Next off the people really effected by this change has computers around 10 years old now, I am vastly surprised thier machines still running if its a laptop, they're not that reliable to last that long. Desktops I can understand though but then agin destkop beauty is to be upgradable. =============
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Nexus Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.05 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Apparantly you didnt read my post. MY MACHINE IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD. I HAD TO DO MAJOR WORK TO GET THE NEW CLIENT RUNNING. ALMOST ALL LAPTOP MANUFACTURERS HAVE THESE DRIVER ISSUES!
I have no idea where your getting this 5 years or older bullsh*t from. MANY NEW machines still will not be able to run the client. AND HOW IN GODS NAME WILL MAKING IT RUN ON HIGHER END SYSTEMS OPEN IT FOR MORE PEOPLE????!?!?! THEY WOULD ALREADY BE PLAYING NOW CAUSE IT WOULD ALREADY RUN YOU IDIOT!!
You must work for CCP cause your not getting it.
CCP looked at chipsets usability, not computer makers' integration. Doing so would be just insane.
Where do they stop? Wondering how people update their drivers? Knowing the vast majority of people waits for "windows update" to do everything anyway, we'd still have one client, the classic one.
Look at the other games you can't play, and EVE is reaching that level of hardware need, it's not novelty, they ain't beyond everything that's been done. And news flash, other Intel-chipset users can't play either.
Oh, and mundane laptop is no gaming rig. Welcome to the real world. Intel graphic chipset is a no-no in a gaming rig.
P.s.: My rig is a relic, I'll need to tone down the graphics and resolution to 1280x1024, but I get accept the idea that it was a good gaming machine 3 years ago.
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.03.05 16:36:00 -
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someone please tell me how i can download this, as my isp has a monthly download limit (its big!) but if i download at night it doesnt count towards the limit
so i want to be prepared for launch
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.05 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Holy **** batman
Download XP CD Format Install erm... Profit.
No more issues with DELL ****age
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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2ippy
Amarr The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:26:56 Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:20:49 Edited by: Overlord Havok on 05/03/2009 04:18:25 Apparantly you didnt read my post. MY MACHINE IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD. I HAD TO DO MAJOR WORK TO GET THE NEW CLIENT RUNNING. ALMOST ALL LAPTOP MANUFACTURERS HAVE THESE DRIVER ISSUES!
I have no idea where your getting this 5 years or older bullsh*t from. MANY NEW machines still will not be able to run the client. AND HOW IN GODS NAME WILL MAKING IT RUN ON HIGHER END SYSTEMS OPEN IT FOR MORE PEOPLE????!?!?! THEY WOULD ALREADY BE PLAYING NOW CAUSE IT WOULD ALREADY RUN YOU IDIOT!!
You must work for CCP cause your not getting it.
Your telling me I have to either buy a GAMING RIG, or a SUPER high end laptop. I can run the game just fine from THIS machine. But I garuantee you I'll be on less cause now I'm restricted to ONLY being able to play when I'm in front of THIS machine. I'm sure that goes for many others.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THOSE LAYING AROUND??? DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK I'M GOING TO SPEND 2 GRAND TO PLAY EVE??? I JUST SPENT 1200 8 MONTHS AGO!!!
I'm not going to buy new machines everytime CCP wants to upgrade thier client.
In reality they dont feel like making textures and such for the classic client. Its too much for them they can put more energy into making premium stuff if they stop.
The problem with that is.....They are going to loose subscriptions as a result, making them loose money, making it harder to make premium stuff....do u see a trend, ITS A BAD IDEA.
So if you disagree with me now, come see me after the patch when the 41,000 users you normally see on, on a Sunday, drops below 25,000. Then you can argue with me how your right and I'm wrong.
Keep in mind, even with newer machines all of this applies to the AVERAGE end user. So if only PREMIUM end users can play, sure the game will look nice, but you will be stuck playing with yourself. Which is probably what your doing anyway if your dumping all your time and money into having a SUPERIOR gaming rig. I'm having a hard enough time dedicating the time just to play the game in the first place.
Finnaly, to anyone out there getting so rudely booted from this game because your machine is either not custom built or high end prebuilt, "I'm sorry, I tried, and no they don't care...but they will when theres noone left playing"
None left playing??? lolzz Your funny mate.....
1¦ Everything has to upgrade in life even you get older 2¦ Anyone that can and wants to play eve will want better not worse and for that my dear as anything else in life means you need $$$$$. 3¦ whining about a game getting improvments and that his little machine cant run it is sloppy mate ...sell your old one if dont want to do that ...its because you dont care and if you dont care let folkes that care take this epic game always to the next level...It has been like this in every little single game on earth!!!! Games require better machines every year ..
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Tornikey
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:19:00 -
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I read all the posts in this thread, although would still like to ask: is the premium graphics version well playable on modern laptops? For example a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pi 3540 (Core2Duo P8600 2.4GHz, GeForce 9300GS 256MB, 4GB RAM)?
I would appreciate any reply on this matter, as I'm going to buy a laptop but can't accept the situation when EVE will not be playable on my comp.
Thanks. -- All Filters Up |
2ippy
Amarr The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tornikey I read all the posts in this thread, although would still like to ask: is the premium graphics version well playable on modern laptops? For example a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pi 3540 (Core2Duo P8600 2.4GHz, GeForce 9300GS 256MB, 4GB RAM)?
I would appreciate any reply on this matter, as I'm going to buy a laptop but can't accept the situation when EVE will not be playable on my comp.
Thanks.
Laptops are not ment for gaming unless buying a formed gaming laptop wich in this case ASUS is leader on that market. Advice for gaming get a desktop.
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Tornikey
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:40:00 -
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Quote: Laptops are not ment for gaming unless buying a formed gaming laptop wich in this case ASUS is leader on that market. Advice for gaming get a desktop.
Does that mean they aren't meant for gaming even if they have good performance specs? -- All Filters Up |
2ippy
Amarr The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tornikey
Quote: Laptops are not ment for gaming unless buying a formed gaming laptop wich in this case ASUS is leader on that market. Advice for gaming get a desktop.
Does that mean they aren't meant for gaming even if they have good performance specs?
They will be outdated and you cant upgrade them = (fail buy) when it comes to games.
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Tornikey
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:49:00 -
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Quote: They will be outdated and you cant upgrade them = (fail buy) when it comes to games.
Thanks for your reply. -- All Filters Up |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:37:00 -
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For the record, you won't get the OEM driver restriction if you install the Intel drivers right after you reinstall Windows. If you don't want to reinstall, all you need to do is to remove a registry key.
Regardless, the purpose of this thread was to comment the performance on the new client, and not to discuss the fact that Dell are slow when it comes to updating drivers.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Overlord Havok
Caldari z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Overlord Havok on 06/03/2009 04:13:27 Well FYI im not talking about dell, I'm talking about laptop users in general. ALL LAPTOP users other than overpriced gaming laptop owners. The fact that it wont run on them is a huge performance issue.
Intel GMA x3100 is listed as being supported right? Who puts those in thier machines?? Most major laptop manufacturers right?? (And some desktop manufacturers as well) So in that case it would be prudent to check to see if they are really supported by the majority of the machines they are in, right????
Secondly the fact that CCP is releasing a boxed version the same time the are constricting requirements doesnt make sense, or does it?? Maybe they realize that less people will be able to play so it is necessary to release a box to advertise and regain their player audience in case the population DOES drop, and im afraid that it will.
So maybe on the side of the box it should say, "This game is for desktops only, although it 'might' work on a laptop if your lucky or a computer wiz"
I think that the fact that almost anyone could install and play the current classic client is a big factor in CCP's success with EVE (Along with most other MMO's across the board). That is what MMO stands for anyway isn't it?
MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME - Hopefully =/
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Overlord Havok
Caldari z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.06 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Overlord Havok on 06/03/2009 04:42:19
Originally by: 2ippy None left playing??? lolzz Your funny mate.....
1¦ Everything has to upgrade in life even you get older 2¦ Anyone that can and wants to play eve will want better not worse and for that my dear as anything else in life means you need $$$$$. 3¦ whining about a game getting improvments and that his little machine cant run it is sloppy mate ...sell your old one if dont want to do that ...its because you dont care and if you dont care let folkes that care take this epic game always to the next level...It has been like this in every little single game on earth!!!! Games require better machines every year ..
Obviously I was being overdrammatic by saying Noone....
1.) We wouldn't grow old if we had a choice and CCP does have a choice in what they do. 2.) Better not worse means more work for CCP, whom I am PAYING to play so they should stop being lazy and do the work on the classic client. Like I said I JUST BOUGHT THIS MACHINE with $$$$$$$. 3.) LIKE I SAID, I can run the FULL premium client so I'm not complaining about MY ABILITY. Your average end-user however will not be able to reconfigure thier entire machine just to run the new client. Which like I said means less people playing. And name one other MMO that cut off up to date "average" machines from major manufacturers and, if you can name one, tell me if it remained successfull.
The client not running on the AVERAGE machines of TODAY is not good for it.
And I'd like to see the exact number of machines they included in their percentages that they are claiming will still be supported that are actually laptops with this specific GPU or similar comprable GPU's. If they are counting these machines as compatible thier percenteges would be grossly wrong.
Lastly food for thought.
Dramatization: -I am your average person who has never played eve. I am in the market to buy a Laptop (Which are outselling desktops in troves) Hmm, this is a decent machine that runs microsofts current OS with ease, costs about $1,200USD. Great I'll Take it. Oh wait whats this game it looks cool, OHHH cant play it, DAMN that looked like a fun one, OOOOOOH check this one out!!! It works!! WOW works just fine.. Good thing to cause I have plenty of time on my hands now I have something to play...
Wish those people could run eve cause you never know, they might just PWN you someday, but we'll never find out cause if you looking for a new machine and you dont have gaming in mind when you buy it you can only play WOW and every other MMO besides EVE...Pity
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Overlord Havok
Caldari z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.06 04:51:00 -
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And FYI the new premium client on the machines it does run on looks fantastic, regardless of my dissapointment with CCP's decision to do away with the classic client I do have to say that it does look very good and performs perfect on my machine in its present state(Altered from OEM)I can not however, stand the warp effects. Hopefully this will be corrected before release.
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JamesArhy
Gallente z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:44:00 -
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I don't think that projecting doom and gloom with no source material is going to get the devs' attention. Saying that OMG THERE ARE MORE LAPTOPS THAN DESKTOPS AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN UP ON THE FORUMS WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO PLAY won't get you anywhere until you link to a current source stating that these laptops still have problems. The laptops you're referring to technically have the support for the game, but the manufacturer chose to supply them with limited drivers. Don't be mad at CCP be mad at the manufacturer for supplying you with a computer that isn't able to be utilized to its full potential. Premium Lite only requires shader 2.0 which most computers running dx9 should be able to support.
For the record I went to dell's website and the first $1200 laptop I brought up had a dedicated graphics chip. There have been reports that people with acer aspire ones have been able to play the premium lite client as well ($300-$400).
Back to the subject I've been happy with the new graphics other than random crashes in windows 7 64-bit. It runs smoothly on my 8800gtx :).
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Haral Reimo
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Havok Edited by: Overlord Havok on 06/03/2009 04:13:27 Well FYI im not talking about dell, I'm talking about laptop users in general. ALL LAPTOP users other than overpriced gaming laptop owners. The fact that it wont run on them is a huge performance issue.
Runs fine on my 3-year-old NEC laptop, which wasn't a high-end machine (it cost about ú1000 at the time). I think the issue is that if you want to play games on a laptop, you should research carefully. Intel chipsets have NEVER been good for games. They aren't in "most" laptops as you claim, only in 2 categories - budget laptops and ultra-portables - neither of which are intended for gaming.
So you paid 1200 (you didn't say what currency by the way) on a laptop 8 months ago and it won't play games? That puts you in a relative minority that got ripped off. That's not CCP's fault...
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LeeBaak
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:05:00 -
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A counterpoint to the "CCP should design to and support every laptop built in the last 5 years (with every combination of existing/supported/unsupported drivers)" arguement is that, if you're not intelligent enough to get EVE to run on your laptop (which has been demonstrated as possible) then you're probably better off not getting mixed-up in the game. You're going to be frustrated when you don't know how the market works, or which skills to train, or where to find a Villiard Wheel. ;)
Backwards compatibility can only be justified for so long. Several posts have been made instructing how to get a game to run on the system you described. The OP ran his tests on that same system. Your squawking sounds a little like Chicken Little. |
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