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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:45:00 -
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Linkage
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:53:00 -
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It is more nonsense. How about "oh, look, you can't compare this with that, since they didn't have a metric buttload of plane fuel burning inside".
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Polkageist on 01/03/2009 12:55:04 Edited by: Polkageist on 01/03/2009 12:54:48 yeah we will see akita.
edit: but since you are mr. know it all, why dont you run for god allmighty???
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:57:00 -
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It looks like the same link you posted earlier this week, which got locked.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:58:00 -
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but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy It looks like the same link you posted earlier this week, which got locked.
yeah he dont know what hes doing...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist why dont you run for god allmighty
god is dead and it's a sucky job, nobody really wants it
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:02:00 -
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yeah try to humor yourself out of it... I guess that use to work.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
Lol. Somebody doesn't like to be disagreed with.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:03:00 -
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Akita doesnt eve wanna look at the problem, you can hardly call that disagree.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Polkageist but yeah you know better right?
You know better than these guys? Linkage
so wtf u sitting all day writing lame comments on this forum if you know everything? You should be god damm president of the world!
Lol. Somebody doesn't like to be disagreed with.
and yeah if you want forumpower just post that this thread is full of nonsense.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:46:00 -
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Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/03/2009 13:52:51
Originally by: Polkageist Akita doesnt eve wanna look at the problem, you can hardly call that disagree.
The problem being you just can't conceive that it all WAS just what it seemed to be ? That being a suicide attack by people who hated "America" with such fanaticism as to see it hurt even if it cost them their lives ? That you can't accept that it was a major screw-up of lazy, incompetent, much-too-well-paid people in high places, people who probably suspected or even knew it was coming but did nothing for various selfish and non-conspiracy-theory reasons ? That EVERYTHING you saw happen on live TV can be explained perfectly by JUST what you saw on live TV and other government-released footage ? That you are crazy enough to WANT this to be a conspiracy theory instead of facing the fact USA has simply F-U-C-K-E-D U-P ?!?
Oh, yeah, and I'M THE ONE that doesn't want to look at the problem.
Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
That can properly be explained by two things:
* expert opinions are like ass-holes, everybody's got a different one, if you look hard enough you will find enough of them supporting your prefered side of the "truth"
* some people just can't accept the fact there simply might be nobody "outside" to blame other than the obvious suspects, so they just have to invent some outlandish theories of greater, stronger evils (you know, like when a bunch of guys get beaten up by a much smaller enemy, they start convincing themselves the enemy had help, that they were betrayed.... basically anything EXCEPT accept that they screwed up and the enemy beat them badly, but fair and square)
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:51:00 -
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yeah your right, america is ****ed... you should have rooted out the junta when Eisenhower warned you about the military industrial complex.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:54:00 -
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"The problem being you just can't conceive that it all WAS just what it seemed to be ?"
i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:55:00 -
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The problem with you is thinking that "the new world order" thingy (if it even existed in the first place, which it SADLY doesn't) would be a bad thing for the common man or for the country, or for mankind in general, in the long run.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
That can properly be explained by two things: * expert opinions are like ass-holes, everybody's got a different one, if you look hard enough you will find enough of them supporting your preferred side of the "truth" * some people just can't accept the fact there's nobody "outside" to blame other than the obvious suspects
I can't help but see some similarities with the scientific peer review process and the criticism that it gets every once in awhile. I find it hard to just assume that all these people are wrong. Note that usually, the ones shouting the loudest about conspiracy theories are also the ones who would have something to lose if those theories proved to be real.
Either way, I'm gonna stand by the sideline and watch how this progresses.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Polkageist i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
Now the question is... WHO lied to you ?
The guys that fed you the answers on 9/12, or one month later, or one year later... or is it the guys that fed you the "truth" just recently ? Would you be surprised to find out they were ALL telling the truth ? As in, they were both convinced they were telling the truth, or most of it anyway ? Or, would you be even more surprised to find out BOTH parties are wrong ? As in, neither of them has any clue to EXACTLY what happened ?
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Well, Akita, although your replies to my questions on this subject a few months ago were quite comprehensive I can't help but be intrigued how this are a few hundred engineers and architects, you know, people who work with buildings on a daily basis, and not just random people wanting to make a political statement.
besides the architects and engineers theres the Intelligence veterans, senators, guvenors, MEP's, generals... The list goes on and on. Why are they putting their careers in jeopardy? "oh because they are CONSPIRACY THEORISTS which mr. bush told us we should not allow, so we could kill arabs ad libitum" (irony 100%)
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Polkageist i had no problem with that for 7 years untill i found out i had been lied to.
Now the question is... WHO lied to you ?
The guys that fed you the answers on 9/12, or one month later, or one year later... or is it the guys that fed you the "truth" just recently ? Would you be surprised to find out they were ALL telling the truth ? As in, they were both convinced they were telling the truth, or most of it anyway ? Or, would you be even more surprised to find out BOTH parties are wrong ? As in, neither of them has any clue to EXACTLY what happened ?
yeah lets find out what happened shall we, just get over it.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The problem with you is thinking that "the new world order" thingy (if it even existed in the first place, which it SADLY doesn't) would be a bad thing for the common man or for the country, or for mankind in general, in the long run.
A new world order would be bad.
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Polkageist
Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:02:00 -
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anyways, gotta go do some stuff, peace!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz I can't help but see some similarities with the scientific peer review process and the criticism that it gets every once in awhile. I find it hard to just assume that all these people are wrong. Note that usually, the ones shouting the loudest about conspiracy theories are also the ones who would have something to lose if those theories proved to be real.
Could it have been a conspiracy ? Possible. But then, you would have to have a HUGE amount of people, including some that sacrificed their lives to help afterwards, or some that survived all that, all of them saying absolutely nothing. Can YOU keep a secret for 7 years ? A secret you are dying to tell ? A secret eating at you badly ? A secret that would incriminate people that just LOST the power in the last election ? How may people do you know that COULD hold on to such a secret ? And how many people ACTUALLY came out saying they KNEW the stuff all the conspiracy theorists are touting as possible/probable/whatever to actually be true ? Name some names ? Or at least identify some faces ? Confess to being part of the willing sacrifice of USA citizens for the economic glory of a lapsed regime ? SERIOUSLY ?
Now, on the other hand, you have the "Occam's Razor" version of the "truth", which is almost identical to the official story... that what you see is what it was, and that everything DOES fit exactly as observed without needing to conjure up planted explosives or shadowy conspiracies or anything like that.
I'll let you decide what's more probable for yourself. I offer no certainties, only probabilities... and reason.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:36:00 -
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1) Go HERE.
2) READ
3) LEARN
4) Stop being a MORON believing in crazy wild conspiracy theories.
5) Stop cluttering up OOPE with stupidity.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Can YOU keep a secret for 7 years ? A secret you are dying to tell ? A secret eating at you badly ? A secret that would incriminate people that just LOST the power in the last election ? How may people do you know that COULD hold on to such a secret ? And how many people ACTUALLY came out saying they KNEW the stuff all the conspiracy theorists are touting as possible/probable/whatever to actually be true ? Name some names ? Or at least identify some faces ? Confess to being part of the willing sacrifice of USA citizens for the economic glory of a lapsed regime ?
Look at cold-war china and Russia and the scandals they managed to cover up but which were eventually unearthed. More recently, dubious aspects of the summer Olympics, and a very..weird..Chinese space walk. Having seen interviews with 'average' Chinese students, It's quite improbably what their government is pulling off on a massive scale - corruption of historical facts, to name a very important one. It happened then, why would it be impossible to do it now?
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen 1) Go HERE.
2) READ
3) LEARN
4) Stop being a MORON believing in crazy wild conspiracy theories.
5) Stop cluttering up OOPE with stupidity.
Just like to point out that I havnt decided either way, but those de-bunks are far from believable, they are also clearly biased as it describes it's de-bunks as "FACTS" as opposed to their "opinion".
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:21:00 -
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For the conspiracy theories it would require the work of a lot of people keeping their mouth shut or lieing in a consistant way.
The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Just like to point out that I havnt decided either way, but those de-bunks are far from believable, they are also clearly biased as it describes it's de-bunks as "FACTS" as opposed to their "opinion".
Um, That's how a debunking WORKS. You take the theory, find FACTS and test the theory against provable FACTS.
Popular Mechanics has done the definitive debunking of all the major 9/11 myths. There are NO MORE questions, SCIENCE has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that what we saw on 9/11 is exactly what happened; A bunch of terrorists flew planes into buildings. Period.
If, at this point you honestly still have questions, you are either:
a) An irrational kook. Please seek proper psychiatric help
b) Woefully uninformed or misinformed and need to read through the article and educate yourself.
c) Someone who needs to take a course on logical thinking (yes, they are available) and then re-read the article.
d) Some combination of the above 3 choices.
That's not intended as an insult to anyone. Really. But this HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. the Truth (capital "T") is known. If you are willing to accept it. I choose to live in reality, where my world is defined by the scientific method, rational morality, and facts. I think everyone else should too.
One last comment, about the idea of a conspiracy theory. A quote from THIS article:
Quote: My father was interred at Arlington National Cemetery in 2002. I will never forget that day. It changed my life, and it was the event that started me writing here at Eject! Eject! Eject!
The man who coordinated that service was on a hill about a half-mile from that side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th, 2001. He told me that they had been informed that something was going on in New York that morning. Then he heard something that he said he thought was a missile attack -- a roar so loud and so far beyond a normal jet sound that he looked up at that exact moment expecting to die.
What he saw emerge from the trees overhead, perhaps a hundred feet above him, was American Airlines Flight 77 as it went by in a silver blur, engines screaming in a power dive as it hit the near side of the Pentagon. He told me -- to my face -- that body parts had rained down all over that sacred field. Just like red hail on a summer day. Those body parts are buried in a special place at the base of that hill.
Now. If Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of that Lunatic Brigade is right and I am wrong, then that man -- that insignificant Army chaplain and his Honor Guard of forty men -- are all liars. He is lying to me for Halliburton and Big Oil. That Chaplain -- and all of those decent, patriotic young men in the Honor Guard, and all the commuters on the roads who saw an American Airlines jet instead of a missile -- all of those people are liars and accessories to murder. And all of the firefighters who went into buildings rigged to explode were pre-recruited suicide martyrs dying for George W. Bush's plans for world conquest. Remember: NOTHING that happened on September 11th needed any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact... namely, that Islamic terrorists hijacked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.
It's an obscenity. It's a filthy, God-damned, criminal obscenity. Nothing less.
And he is right. I find 9/11 myths offensive, and so should any intelligent person.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 01/03/2009 16:18:04 Bish, you are an American right? That makes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The truth is, that conspiracy theorists want you to believe that the same people that otherwise make every possible human mistake and often fail at covering their own failures are suddenly able to keep secrets on such a large scale.
That is the one argument keeping me somewhere in the middle of all this. Question though, why the need to always label people like that and consistently talk down on them?
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Bish, you are an American right? Thatmakes it a rough 83% chance that you are religious, are you? If so, your post is unintentionally hilarious.
Not sure what you mean by the american and religeous thing, but I agree his reply is hilarious, his idea of being right is that anyone who disagrees with him is mentally ill.
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