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Beliandra
Elgoi Developments Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:32:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote:I was moving the plex to sell for a better rate Most potentially profitable endeavours carry an element of risk. There was a good chance you would have succeeded in this transaction - in which case, you would have made a profit. However, you did not - and thus made a loss. Such is business. Such is life.
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Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
117
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:42:00 -
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Tips how to not lose your plex:
a) a plex can be used from anywhere in the universe ... yes think about it ... no really ... use your brains for once. b) a plex does never ever need to be redeemed until it's going to be used a) immediately b) you sit in a station where you intended to transfer it (jita) .
Follow the above guidelines and only a sheer stupidity will make you lose a plex . |
Deryk Kyeld
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:52:00 -
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OWNED |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.27 05:58:00 -
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Your fault. It's ridiculously stupid to undock with a PLEX in a game with no safe zones. If you really, really insist on doing so anyway it should be done in a well tanked battleship and/or covops cloaker. You deserve to lose it as your punishment for being an embarrassment to the human race. If CCP bails you out you're never going to learn. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:07:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: There would be a whole lot less qq threads about plex if they made it so you CANT put it in a ship just to save you from your own Intercranial infarctions
That would keep those players from rage quitting though. I propose a solution that gives us the best of both worlds. It cuts down on petition spam to CCP, but also still prevents me from ever meeting these people. Any killmail containing a PLEX should automatically permaban the victim's account.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
1086
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:09:00 -
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Wait, when PLEX first came out wasn't it impossible to move them?
Then didn't CCP change it because people whined? |
Arlis Kaiesta
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:26:00 -
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Alexandra Delarge wrote:Arlis Kaiesta wrote:Because the extreme and specific circumstances such as the aforementioned issue CCP has decided that our way of showing how much we REALLY appreciate when people encourage other people to try our amazing game. From this day forth we will now offer a "ball save" (such as in pinball) effect on certain redeemable rewards with actual CASH value acquired through the buddy system. In the case that a PLEX that is earned through the buddy program is DESTROYED within 12 hours and has been rendered nonredeemable you will now have the option to still redeem this item if it is with in the 12 hour period. In short we are the game masters we have ultimate power and we want you to know just how much we love you. Sincerely, CCP Awesome team just a thought (actually this last big paragraph is the most recent reply of a series of petitions about 15 emails in) Claims that the above text is a recent reply to a petition. Arlis Kaiesta wrote:ok clarification
this is not a quote from a real GM
Oh and this is short compared to the multitude of other emails in the 1 petition out of two that I have So, in your first post you were lying?
it was me replying as if I was the Gm in my best GM voice :)
I was unaware of many of the methods that people have mentioned ie reverse redeeming... at the time of the redemption I did not have a character on any account that was anywhere near a trade hub so i picked the closest one... I did warp to 0 and traveled safely from a low sec area to a high sec area and then went to auto pilot one jump away from where I planned to sell it, I have not blamed ccp for anything I have not accused them of anything I have asked them to consider that by allowing anyone to "re-claim" a PLEX when something like this happens that it encourages new players and old alike and shows a certain level of compassion because after all quid pro quo... I did not ask them to make me a new plex after someone took my plex away I asked them to allow a non claimable plex that was lost to be claimable because it was part of a deal I made with the buddy program I do not have an issue with loosing things through the normal game mechanics as I stated previously... in every other scenario I would not have an issue. I understand that I lost the plex through normal game mechanics but feel that because I encouraged someone to play and subscribe that it is a special case and not your average case. a good way to compare the loss would be to use the hypothetical situation of lets say a coffee shop. If i bring a friend to the shop and they buy 10 coffees I am allowed to have one free coffee and I get a card that says "thanks for bringing new business to our establishment heres a free coffee". so on this day that I was going to redeem my free coffee and share it with possibley even another new customer or even enjoy it with their same previously new customer I go to the store and then a bully comes over and, while in full view of the staff, grabs the card from my hand and rips it up and then leaves the store. I just want to share my free coffee... everyone... so again I appreciate all your derogatory remarks I truly appreciate all of you that actually have the capacity to understand what my point is and have sort of worked on the trolling thing a bit... :) I get that I am dumb but Im not that dumb... I was at the time of this tragedy less informed and confident. I am more informed now and more experienced. and I hope that at least some of you understand what Im getting at here. IM not asking for something for nothing... im not even making an unreasonable request. I am however apparently stuck with the knowledge of my mistake forever and will now resort to a life of crime to someday hopefully redeem myself by ganking a plex of someone just like me... so thanks.... for that... oh and the idea that CCP will increase the penalty for said actions... even further reinforces my point. what happned shouldnt have happened and its my fault yes... and only mine... yep it sucks.
I appreciate everyones comments and for those of you that have been kind enough to actually think about what I have experienced. (oh and actually READ what I write before you spout off a bunch of garbage) |
Arlis Kaiesta
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:48:00 -
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as I stated originally as well it is only this specific type of situation that I am asking for a modification to... If I had: bought the plex bought the plex with isk if the ganker got the plex drop traded the plex in game bought the plex in a contract aquired the plex in any other fashion other than through turning someone on to the game and getting them to subscribe I would have no problem with loosing it, I mean obviously I would be sad but thats the game. I am not asking anyone to correct anything. I am simply asking for something that I earned through increasing the player base that got destroyed in an action that although allowable (believe me I love that it is) is highly frowned upon, (and the penalty i hear will be increased for such behavior), to be, for a short time in game, reclaimable. that is all... I do not in anyway deny my idiocy. And Let Me State Again---- do not want CCP to be nice to me because I am stupid.
I simply want to be able to claim my reward.
In this case apparently my reward is the experience. much like a bad relationship if nothing else you come out of it knowing a little more about yourself. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
69
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:54:00 -
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only 1 point for a PLEX kill? should be 30, at least. |
Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
4
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:16:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Since a PLEX can be redeemed from anywhere in EVE, why in the hell would you undock with it in your hold?
This. Don't be stupid, use the reddem system ----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
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Faith Patrouette
Careless Carebears Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:21:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote: I am simply asking for something that I earned through increasing the player base that got destroyed in an action that although allowable (believe me I love that it is) is highly frowned upon, (and the penalty i hear will be increased for such behavior), to be, for a short time in game, reclaimable. that is all... I do not in anyway deny my idiocy. And Let Me State Again---- do not want CCP to be nice to me because I am stupid.
I simply want to be able to claim my reward.
In this case apparently my reward is the experience. much like a bad relationship if nothing else you come out of it knowing a little more about yourself.
But you got that item! You did not have to claim it in that station, put it in the cargo of a noob ship and see how far you would get with it, that was YOUR choice!
So 'I simply want to claim my reward'.. you did, when you clicked redeem, whatever you did with it after that was your responsibility.
Pretty much the same way as, I walk in store and buy toaster, pay for it, walk out of it, on the corner of the street I drop said toaster on the floor, or it gets stolen, if I go back to the store and tell them the story they will probably feel bad for me, but that is it, they will not give me a new toaster... After I walked out of the store with it, it was my responsibility..
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
603
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:30:00 -
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Is this a Darth Nefarius alt thread?
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
658
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:34:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote:ok clarification
this is not a quote from a real GM
I was moving the plex to sell for a better rate
Oh and this is short compared to the multitude of other emails in the 1 petition out of two that I have
Bolded where risk vs reward actually happened, as intended. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Argyle Jones
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:38:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote:Specifically the reason I am upset is that I turned someone on to the game and NO ONE gets the reward.
This is what is wrong with your whole argument. The player you invited got an extended trial (21 days instead of 14) and you DID receive a reward in the form of a PLEX. What you then choose to do with your reward after that point is your own business.
You made a mistake when you undocked with that PLEX in a ship that can easily be ganked. That's not a problem with the PLEX system, the buddy system or any other mechanic in EVE.
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Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
71
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:44:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote: I was moving the plex to sell for a better rate
You are a complete fool. There has always been a risk-free way of moving PLEX. The only injustice here is that CCP are willing to replace PLEX destroyed through the claimants stupidity.
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Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
63
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:45:00 -
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Arlis Kaiesta wrote:ok clarification
this is not a quote from a real GM
I was moving the plex to sell for a better rate
Oh and this is short compared to the multitude of other emails in the 1 petition out of two that I have Why move a 500 mill ISK item in a 40 ISK ship (value of tritanium and fitted civilian miner)? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1241
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein
212
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:09:00 -
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By the looks of it the OP has learned a valuable lesson, they kind of got it half right, they were flying something they could afford to lose, the bit they got wrong was not realising that the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" also applies to the contents of your cargohold.
Harsh lesson, but harsh lessons often work the best.
On a side note, autopiloting is never a good idea, especially with valuable items in the cargohold, warp to 0 manually everytime, use the dock button everytime. 9/10 gankers prefer autopilot, but they never use it War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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