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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/03/2009 14:36:09 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/03/2009 14:34:13 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/03/2009 14:33:38 Right, I know the Tengu had little cpu, but when I logged in now, it had been lowred even further!
What gives?
It was very little as was, now I am having a lot of problems fitting it for anything useful. And thats using HAMs without launcher rigs witht the CPU sub system.
I think this goes against Caldaris usually large cpu on its ships.
I know it could be super tanked, but lowering CPU does not fix that, it only makes the ship as whole bad, and rather useless.
I was using this two days ago:
Electroninc 2 Deffencive 3 Engineering 3 Offencive 1 Propulsion 2
I had this fittings:
5 HAM II 1 Empty
1 Named MWD 1 Named Web 1 Named Scram 1 LSE II 1 Invul II 1 Photon II
3 BCU II 1 DC II
3 CDFE rigs
Now two of my HAM's are offlined due to cpu issues.
The grid is still fine, but I am having problems comming up with a setup using Heavy Misisle san lancher rigs, and still have a tank and damage mods.
If anything the Tengus CPU shold have been raises a bit, not lowered :(
Can I get an answer for this? I would like to know why, or if I am missing something?
And the CPU of the other sub system looks quite horrible to be honest.
In sharp contrast the cerberus have 550 cpu with my skills.
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Ol' Delsai
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:18:00 -
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Yep,
Tengu CPU has been greatly reduced by the yesterday patch, as was all races subsystem CPU
I don't know about other races but it has pretty screwed every Tengu setup You need at least 1 co-proc to fit HAM launcher and 2 co-proc to fit Heavy launcher
I hope this will not make to M10. We were already screaming for more CPU before yesterday and it seems the answer is actually less CPU :/
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ol' Delsai Yep,
Tengu CPU has been greatly reduced by the yesterday patch, as was all races subsystem CPU
I don't know about other races but it has pretty screwed every Tengu setup You need at least 1 co-proc to fit HAM launcher and 2 co-proc to fit Heavy launcher
I hope this will not make to M10. We were already screaming for more CPU before yesterday and it seems the answer is actually less CPU :/
You seem to be suggesting that Heavies are harder to fit (CPU) then Heavy Assaults. Have they changed launcher fitting requirements on Sisi? If so could you please give the new fitting requirements for both?
Patri
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Ol' Delsai
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ol'' Delsai on 01/03/2009 15:39:55
Originally by: Patri Andari
You seem to be suggesting that Heavies are harder to fit (CPU) then Heavy Assaults. Have they changed launcher fitting requirements on Sisi? If so could you please give the new fitting requirements for both?
HAM II = 50 CPU Heavy II = 55 CPU
I think it's the same on TQ actually
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
Originally by: Ol' Delsai Yep,
Tengu CPU has been greatly reduced by the yesterday patch, as was all races subsystem CPU
I don't know about other races but it has pretty screwed every Tengu setup You need at least 1 co-proc to fit HAM launcher and 2 co-proc to fit Heavy launcher
I hope this will not make to M10. We were already screaming for more CPU before yesterday and it seems the answer is actually less CPU :/
You seem to be suggesting that Heavies are harder to fit (CPU) then Heavy Assaults. Have they changed launcher fitting requirements on Sisi? If so could you please give the new fitting requirements for both?
No, HMLs have always required more CPU than HAMLs.
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F4LC0N
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:20:00 -
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HMLs = more cpu less powergrid HAMs = less cpu more powergrid
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ol' Delsai Edited by: Ol'' Delsai on 01/03/2009 15:39:55
Originally by: Patri Andari
You seem to be suggesting that Heavies are harder to fit (CPU) then Heavy Assaults. Have they changed launcher fitting requirements on Sisi? If so could you please give the new fitting requirements for both?
HAM II = 50 CPU Heavy II = 55 CPU
I think it's the same on TQ actually
Thanks. I obviously confused PG with CPU.
Patri
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:52:00 -
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That's a pretty high-cpu fitting. The T2 shield mods and BCU's costs a lot if I am not mistaken.
How many mods would you need to replace with named or faction/navy in order to online the HAMs?
I wouldn't be surprised if CCP is balancing the T3 to require some faction mods in order to approach optimal load-outs.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:12:00 -
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faction mod would help, but when two HAM's offline, I got 3 or 4 spare cpu :S. So maby 3 faction Ballistics and some faction hardeneres.
If it is designed to have to use faction, thats pretty wierd actually. T2 should be the benchmark I think
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Ol' Delsai
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:11:00 -
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I agree, CPU should be set to allow standard tech II fitting. It's not so hard to assemble 8/10 tengu and figure what should be the CPU value...
Right now, this is way too low (that was already too low before yesterday patch ....)
I actually can't see the point of this drastic reduction in CPU...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:14:00 -
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I believe all of the cruisers have had their CPU reduced. And all need them brought back up at least a bit. 5 Turret points doesn't do me much good if I can only fit 3 with no other modules on.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Alucard Tai
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:14:00 -
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It's not just the Tengu with low cpu, all 4 have quite low cpu. It is more critical for the Loki and Tengu though, as they can have shield tanks which are cpu hogs.
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Alucard Tai It's not just the Tengu with low cpu, all 4 have quite low cpu. It is more critical for the Loki and Tengu though, as they can have shield tanks which are cpu hogs.
Yeah, I noticed as well. Seem strange to lowe rthe CPU on shiled tankers when they need a lot of cpu. And on OPS fit he even used a lot of low CPU named mods, and only 3 shield mods and a decent low slot config for a caldari PvP ship.
Being very very high end cruisers T3 should not have such disadvantages CPU wise. Even Cerberus has lots and lots of CPU :P.
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Breed Love
FinFleet KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:51:00 -
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Indeed, in the current state these ships are completely unusable, as you will probably get fewer useful slots than a hac, after fitting all the co-processors you need. Then think about an active shield tank setup, you will probably run out of cpu after you fill your mids and nothing else.
I honestly hope this is some kind of bug, or miscalculation on someones part, and is not intended to stay that way. -----
Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Breed Love Indeed, in the current state these ships are completely unusable, as you will probably get fewer useful slots than a hac, after fitting all the co-processors you need. Then think about an active shield tank setup, you will probably run out of cpu after you fill your mids and nothing else.
I honestly hope this is some kind of bug, or miscalculation on someones part, and is not intended to stay that way.
It's amazing how you have no idea how to phrase this in a way that sounds constructive, and not whiny.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.03.01 19:30:00 -
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yeah even with the CPU subsystem you can barely fit anything, and the Caldari always have been heavy on there CPU usage.
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Breed Love
FinFleet KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Breed Love on 01/03/2009 20:08:28
Originally by: An Anarchyyt It's amazing how you have no idea how to phrase this in a way that sounds constructive, and not whiny.
Its amazing how you feel the need to flame every time you see a bob post. CAOD is that way. -----
Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.01 21:50:00 -
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Please stay on topic, on the topic of how little CPU the Tengu has ;).
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:34:00 -
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Hey, I just thought of something...Could be wrong...but anyways
What if the patch gave us some bug that kept our Eletronics Skill from affecting the T3 Ships?
Originally by: CCP Nozh prices T3. goal around the price of tech 2 cruisers
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:43:00 -
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i was playing aorund with the Legion today and was swaping aorund the subsystems and one of the electronics subsystems was ment to give me a hell of alot mroe CPU than i currantly got bu when i fitted it it didnt change at all and as it is my currant fitting is very tight on CPU but i barely managed it
Highs: 6 T2 Heavy pulses
Med:T2 Med cap booster
Lows: 3 T2 HS 2 T2 EANM 1 T2 Med Rep
Rigs: 1 EM pump 1 therm pump 1 trimark
giving 71/70/81/90
Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
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puckohontas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 02:04:00 -
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did alot of 1v1 in tengu today against all ship types, and i didnt really have any problems fitting it. it dont need a boost to cpu or it will be too dam overpowered. its allready my alltime favorite solo ship. i feel that the tengu will get nerfed since i like the ship to much. tho i must say, an other t3 ship is crazy to with 35s cap regen time (woot :P) but still i fear the tengu will get hit my the bat of nerf
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Mike C
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 02:50:00 -
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And yet some noob warping into the cruiser FFA in a shuttle with assigned fighters still manages to pwn half the cruisers.
PLEASE buff the strategic cruisers...
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Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.03.02 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mike C And yet some noob warping into the cruiser FFA in a shuttle with assigned fighters still manages to pwn half the cruisers.
PLEASE buff the strategic cruisers...
look mommy a troll!!
its not a buff if the Tengu cant even fit the basic stuff. also the the Proteus has my CPU when it doesn't even need it
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:15:00 -
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Indeed, its not a buff, its keeping the CPU needed to fit the cpu heavy launchers, damage mods, launcher rigs and shiled tanks.
It did this before, decently, but now it forces fitting mods on you, and that feels kinda wrong this being a T3 ship after all, and even using the CPU sub system.
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Madame Currie
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:29:00 -
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hm, just put together a random tengu, without looking at the module stats at all. I ended with one having 25m¦ drone space, but no drone bandwidth at all. Hm, I guess it is not CCP fault, that I havn't checked, what I was building, but allowing that, is kind of strange. I think if there is dronespace, please have the decency just to add bandwidth enough for small drones.
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Sarin Adler
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:09:00 -
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The mighty prenerf hammer is being used lft and right on T3, fitting was allready difficult but now is ridiculous, even with AWU V. So CCp wants as to use the small 2 lows on fitting mods? Please...
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:14:00 -
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Actually, even a Caracal got 437 CPU with my skills, more then my Tengu had.
Cerberus with my skills 550.
I dunno, when T1 and T2 got more cpu, something seems wrong. I hope its just an error they made, and not a decide change :(.
Tegu have such potential, lets not waste it.
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Ol' Delsai
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:20:00 -
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In fact CPP had a no choice. They could have made T3 cruiser great but then, we would have yelled and whined that all the previous prenerfed and unused ships like blackops, AF, bomber haven't been fixed and that CCP should have fixed them before introducing a new kind of ships.
So ... after multiple CPP headquarter's roof brainstorming (the one's from where some mysterious fall has occured :p) , it has been choosen to make T3 less usable than blackops, but more expensive.
But, because CCP's brain are really really good, they've made T3 cruiser with a lot of potential and through some forums lines said they would carefully monitor Tech 3 abilities and prices for them and change them if it is needed... That's the real point, because with such a cleverly designed strategy you keep your customer, because you give them hope that their vision would come true not today (which will be boring) but tomorrow or perhaps the day after tomorrow or as it is said here soon(tm)
Ok, I've just seen some old episode of X-Files so I'm a bit on the paranoid side of conspiracy theory.
So please, if a clever CCP representative hears me, please make tech3 CPU better (I can't even know how with all this sleeper technology out there, the best race's ship designer have succeded to make such bad CPU's ship ... that's not impressive)
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Carniflex
Caldari Schmoo Manufacturing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:54:00 -
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I would assume that main reason why max CPU was lowered was passive tanking ability that was possible to get on some combinations. Shield stuff takes a lot of CPU, thus CPU was nerfed.
Full T2 Tengu was slightly short before change even. Would have taken few cheaper faction gadgets to make setup I was looking work (7x HML II, tank, 3x BCU). Will see what is possible after the relase.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:17:00 -
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If passive tanking truly was a problem, and it was not, they should have changed the base recharge of teh ship, and resistances. Simple as that. Killing the CPU makes all of the ship roles usless, and is not a soulution to what imo is not a problem ^^.
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