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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
CCP is under absolutely no obligation to provide a SA-style trash talking forum for members of goonswarm and friends.
CCP is under absolutely no obligation to provide an alliance-leader circlejerk forum for Jade Constantine to blather into while free from criticism.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:29:00 -
[122]
no, seriously, who is jade constantine? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Brobuck I have an idea, howzabout we split caod into 2 forums, "CAOD 0.0" and "CA0D lite."
Those pilots who enjoy 0.0 can post in the CAOD 0.0 forum, and those who either have never been in 0.0 or no longer have a presence in it (Jade/Kengoku/etc.) can post in the CAOD lite forum, and nobody will have to try to figure out what a thread title means before their tender sensibilities are affronted.
I fully support this position and will raise it promptly with my CSM representatives!
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Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/03/2009 15:10:33
Originally by: NereSky Its a tad sad that a CSM is put off from putting a issue across because of the goons but tbh i can understand it
Oh yeah absolutely. To be honest I don't blame people being a bit wary of raising the head over the battlements with these guys. Its difficult to know how far they'll go sometimes and a lot of players do actually have vulnerability in their professional lives and don't need the stress.
What? And you're complaining about other people's posting?
Try not to throw around accusations like that. This is an important thread and we don't need it turning into the usual CAOD flamefest. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Montasque
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:36:00 -
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I'm I the only one who finds it hilarious that so called 'anarchist' Jade is in fact as conservative as it gets? He wants to do away with the goons youth rebellion and bring back how things were in the ancient days of EvE. I think its mostly jealousy since we actually brought change to this game while all he has left is his past glories(holes).
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:37:00 -
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COAD never will be clean ever. Internet geeks violating pixels never will back down on their emo-rages and CCP isn't willing to hire a team of shrinks to monitor COAD 25/7.
Learn to live with it or stay out.
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Montasque I'm I the only one who finds it hilarious that so called 'anarchist' Jade is in fact as conservative as it gets? He wants to do away with the goons youth rebellion and bring back how things were in the ancient days of EvE. I think its mostly jealousy since we actually brought change to this game while all he has left is his past glories(holes).
I think you;re the one whos jealous
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McEivalley
Caldari Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:44:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Dark Motoko
Originally by: Monti Reagan It seems to me that CAOD has become nothing more than an extension of Goonfleet.com forums with a flood of Goons posting new threads regarding the same content day in and day out, when they aren't, of course posting non-CAOD related flames on specific individuals using vulgar and homophobic language. Along with Goons the rise of the entity THE INTERNET. has made it difficult for people who look to CAOD for battle reports, current events involving newsworthy items in 0.0 and other politically natured items to find anything beyond an excess of nonsense. Certainly, everyone's game experience and content should be protected as we all pay to enjoy this game, however when does one persons good fun or "trolling" enter a point where that is all they do; seek to grief other subscribers in personal attacks and unintelligible memes?
Jade Constantine, though in a rather pedantic and pompous way made valid points in yet another Goonie "we killed BoB" chest-beating thread and promptly a day after, there was a thread where players openly and covertly insinuated he was a homosexual. This was done on CAOD, where content is supposed to be limited to alliance and corporation politics.
Beyond the specifics, CAOD has stumbled into a zeitgeist of flame/trolling warfare where entities climb over each other constantly in a petty "forum one-up-manship" where revisionism and personal attacks are the only currency and facts/personal respect are non-existent and scoffed at commodities.
THE INTERNET. should be disbanded or forced to post in a manner which respects specific individuals and does not seek to promote this type of cancerous posturing that has become all too common. Threads should be closed if they appear to concern a topic or thread already in existence, eg. Delve invasion with provisions for specific events (of note) to have new threads created.
Most of 0.0 EvE looks to forums such as CAOD and SHC for information on what other, like-minded players are doing...As one would a newspaper. It should be taken into consideration, no good newspaper is made that way without intelligent and purposeful editing.
Thank you and flame away.
The OP is entirely correct, and I agree with him in his call for a better standard of moderation by the admins on this particular forum. While the occasional daft thread or humourous topic used to add a little flavour to what you could read on here, now if you want to find something worth reading it's like trying to find that needle in the haystack.
To the goon who responded that the bobbits did the same during their campaign, frankly no, they didn't do what you are now. There were political statements, battle reports, and some typical gloating but it wasn't done in a way that totally overwhelmed the forums with threads that made you feel you'd wasted time even bothering to look at CAOD that day.
Monti Reagan is right to say that CAOD shouldn't be a place for personal attacks and sexual inuendo. We should have more forceful moderation on this forum, with threads being DELETED, not just locked so they continue to clog up the forum. Free this place up for content actually worth reading.
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Vashan Tar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:50:00 -
[129]
Trolling removed. Navigator
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:56:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
SHC has the sort of completely excessive moderation you're asking for and it gets a maximum of about twenty posts per day in the War and Politics forum. People vote with their feet for less restrictive moderation, sorry.
Youre right with that ppl have voted with their feet on shc, and kicked your kind out. While shc has maybe 20 posts a day, i wouldnt be surprised if it has more reader then caod - afterall its no secret to anyone that if you wonna hear about politics in eve, and theres much more going on then in delve at this time, Shc is the place to go to, not caod. -
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 02/03/2009 16:09:52 The thing to remember with CAOD is the actual numbers of EVE players that get involved is a very small percentage of the overall community.
Being a 'king' here means very little, the CAOD forum has always been a place to chest beat and those with numbers on their side often come out on top.
I enjoy the comedy of these forums more than the discussion itself, check out some of the more popular catagories on this forum if you want to spend time making an impact on this game, or reaching the wider player base.
Mitch
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Razzor Bladez
Minmatar Minmatar Training Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:20:00 -
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Cant believe nobody has yet worked out WHY such posts our not being moderated. Now I would call myself a man in the middle as far as not being biased goes, Some Goon posts are over the top, Some are just damn funny but in many cases no matter what you think on CAOD you can get away with alot more than you could say 4months ago, Many threads that are started now ( and not percificly Goon threads ) that would have just been insta locked before.
I am in the firm belief that moderators have allowed this is simply becuase they have got there new boxed eve and patch push just round the corner, There expecting a large serge of players to hit the game and this Drama is a brilliant seller to the eyes of a noob ! it might seem petty and repitive to the vets, But to a noob all they would want is to get out there in 0.0 and join in with all the drama and wars and politics..
And no this does not mean I think CCP had anything to do with BoB, But i certainly think CCP feel this couldnt have happened at a better time.
Nothing wrong with Goon posts they are natrually celebrating, they are acomplishing there Goal after many years... Who cares if it was Hargoth pushing a few butons, Right now Goons are sitting in delve watching there rival flee in terror...
Allow them there chest beating... THE INTERNET however.. You are terrible and its idiots such as yourself that need to be removed from CAOD..
Jade you never fail to amaze me, This thread as a exception not that I agree with your ideas but DAMN your ego matches the size of the entire BoB Alliance put together... You preach about Goons ruining CAOD and doing X Y & Z But all I see is you constantly de-railing threads like a attention *****...
CAOD is not ruined its just being spammed in regards to the Delve war.. If it was AAA and BoB reaching there Goal im sure all we would see is "GF GF GF GF GF SUPAFRIWNDZZ" posts everywhere..
This is how CAOD is going to look for a while.. Get used to it, Not much else you can do
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Snowden Vel on 02/03/2009 16:39:26
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Originally by: Snowden Vel
SHC has the sort of completely excessive moderation you're asking for and it gets a maximum of about twenty posts per day in the War and Politics forum. People vote with their feet for less restrictive moderation, sorry.
Youre right with that ppl have voted with their feet on shc, and kicked your kind out. While shc has maybe 20 posts a day, i wouldnt be surprised if it has more reader then caod - afterall its no secret to anyone that if you wonna hear about politics in eve, and theres much more going on then in delve at this time, Shc is the place to go to, not caod.
Nice turn of phrase, but you could copy-paste every single post made on the SHC CAOD analogue within the past 24 hours into a CAOD post and it would probably slide in underneath the character limit. While I won't conflate quantity with quality, there's a lot more happening on CAOD. While it may not be organized and kept in line with the same sort of 'spergery care that SHC receives, there's just as much information conveyed on here and much more reason to regularly visit the site.
Here's the question: if you really do have so many readers over on SHC, and there really are so many EVE players aching for the opportunity to bust out their seriousposting skills under a regime of pitiless and reflexive censorship, then why is SHC's War & Politics forum only getting about a dozen posts per day?
There's less demand than you think. I know many people, myself among them, read both CAOD and SHC and opt to post here because though we can hurf blurf with the best of the seriousposters, we'd rather not waste our times jumping through hoops in a wild goose chase in search of nonexistent objectivity.
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Angoleus
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Angoleus on 02/03/2009 16:31:00
hello
posting on CAOD to talk with yous about the truth in this internet-spacships-game.
why can't we all be friends, seriously.
edit: totaly forgot: GFGFGFGF SUPERFRIENDSGFGFGFGFG
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Sasha Lyre
Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:29:00 -
[135]
Alt post removed. Navigator
Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins |
fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:32:00 -
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Does anyone remember when the bulk of moderation was doen by volunteers? It was replaced with a CCP mod team and COAD went down the drain. And not because of one single group but everybody pitching in.
If you can't see behind your own bias have fun with the rest of your self-delusional life.
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Razzor Bladez
Minmatar Minmatar Training Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre I would also like to complain about goons
They told me a story about a girl and a broken bottle and I have been unable to sleep ever since..
On the plus side tho I did get to jerk off coz the story lasted longer than 25 seconds...
Thank you for proving my point...
See when goons **** post, At least its about something ingame and actually happening so it actually has its place and generaly with a touch of entertainment. This however, Well...
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Kosh Ohura
Caldari Deutsche Raumfahrt Union Die Asteroiden Pluenderer
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:35:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Razzor Bladez Cant believe nobody has yet worked out WHY such posts our not being moderated. Now I would call myself a man in the middle as far as not being biased goes, Some Goon posts are over the top, Some are just damn funny but in many cases no matter what you think on CAOD you can get away with alot more than you could say 4months ago, Many threads that are started now ( and not percificly Goon threads ) that would have just been insta locked before.
COAD and the other forums here reflect the way the community in the game communicates, behaves and expresses itself. If that changes ingame it will change in the forums as well.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 02/03/2009 16:39:18
Uh, what's wrong with calling Jade a homosexual ? We're talking about a guy here who lies to people out of game and out of character about his RL gender..
Besides "homosexual" isn't really much of an insult anyway unless you're a homophobe.
Originally by: Rodj Blake The threat of having your account perma-banned from the forums was a good deterrent against persistant egregious posting.
The current sanctions available to the mods aren't really up to to job.
I never really liked the permaban system since some of the posters it removed were actually good contributors, but at least it kept Jade off CAOD
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Razzor Bladez
Minmatar Minmatar Training Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:41:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Kosh Ohura
COAD and the other forums here reflect the way the community in the game communicates, behaves and expresses itself. If that changes ingame it will change in the forums as well.
So what your saying that we as a game community have "evolved" to this point ? I have trouble agreeing with that but respect your opionion..
I dont think the people have "changed" at all, There is just alot of Goon threads atm bcuz a war is going on.. The differnce is they are getting away with things that wouldnt have been allowed a while ago, I dont think its a bad thing, Just a observation with my above stated reason as to why I think that is.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/03/2009 16:49:59
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Uh, what's wrong with calling Jade a homosexual ? We're talking about a guy here who lies to people out of game and out of character about his RL gender.. Besides "homosexual" isn't really much of an insult anyway unless you're a homophobe.
How about using out of character insults and personal attacks as a means of harassing an Eve player is both against the eula and the forum rules?
This forum is supposed to be about politics between corporations and alliances - every time you use it to perpetuate a campaign of harassment aimed at the player not the character you are breaking the basic rules of subscription you agreed to when you signed up for this game.
I know at the moment you think the eula doesn't apply to you Tyrrax - but hey, one of these days it may be that somebody remembers what it says.
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Montasque
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Montasque on 02/03/2009 16:51:11
Originally by: Razzor Bladez Cant believe nobody has yet worked out WHY such posts our not being moderated. Now I would call myself a man in the middle as far as not being biased goes, Some Goon posts are over the top, Some are just damn funny but in many cases no matter what you think on CAOD you can get away with alot more than you could say 4months ago, Many threads that are started now ( and not percificly Goon threads ) that would have just been insta locked before.
I am in the firm belief that moderators have allowed this is simply becuase they have got there new boxed eve and patch push just round the corner, There expecting a large serge of players to hit the game and this Drama is a brilliant seller to the eyes of a noob ! it might seem petty and repitive to the vets, But to a noob all they would want is to get out there in 0.0 and join in with all the drama and wars and politics..
And no this does not mean I think CCP had anything to do with BoB, But i certainly think CCP feel this couldnt have happened at a better time.
Nothing wrong with Goon posts they are natrually celebrating, they are acomplishing there Goal after many years... Who cares if it was Hargoth pushing a few butons, Right now Goons are sitting in delve watching there rival flee in terror...
Allow them there chest beating... THE INTERNET however.. You are terrible and its idiots such as yourself that need to be removed from CAOD..
Jade you never fail to amaze me, This thread as a exception not that I agree with your ideas but DAMN your ego matches the size of the entire BoB Alliance put together... You preach about Goons ruining CAOD and doing X Y & Z But all I see is you constantly de-railing threads like a attention *****...
CAOD is not ruined its just being spammed in regards to the Delve war.. If it was AAA and BoB reaching there Goal im sure all we would see is "GF GF GF GF GF SUPAFRIWNDZZ" posts everywhere..
This is how CAOD is going to look for a while.. Get used to it, Not much else you can do
I agree that the new influx of players that will be coming to EvE is very important to CCP and the game, but I dont think there is a concentrated effort on their part to help the drama along. I think they love all the press we're getting them, but it's more caused by the 'hands off' approach CCP uses in regards to their player base.
I really do think a lot of the blow back we are seeing in this thread is a generational issue. Goons are generally younger, goofy, and American, while jade and his lot are older, serious, and European. Of course you are going to get conflict between two groups who are so different, the difference is that we arent petitioning to have all older players banned from the forum for being completely boring.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 02/03/2009 17:00:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How about using out of character insults and personal attacks as a means of harassing an Eve player is both against the eula and the forum rules?
But when you do it, its A-OK...
Also, your lesbian sex brothel thing was(and maybe is, who knows?) entirely in character. So those would be in character insults and personal attacks and not out of character insults or personal attacks.
Or have you gotten to the point where you can no longer tell the difference?
edit: That would be Sin of Omission number 4 for this thread.
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Kosh Ohura
Caldari Deutsche Raumfahrt Union Die Asteroiden Pluenderer
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kosh Ohura on 02/03/2009 16:58:48
Originally by: Razzor Bladez
Originally by: Kosh Ohura
COAD and the other forums here reflect the way the community in the game communicates, behaves and expresses itself. If that changes ingame it will change in the forums as well.
So what your saying that we as a game community have "evolved" to this point ? I have trouble agreeing with that but respect your opionion..
I dont think the people have "changed" at all, There is just alot of Goon threads atm bcuz a war is going on.. The differnce is they are getting away with things that wouldnt have been allowed a while ago, I dont think its a bad thing, Just a observation with my above stated reason as to why I think that is.
I didn't necessarily say its a good thing. Evolution does not happen in virtual worlds, they can only change by external factors- basically by a change done through the developers or the community.
In this case eve has had a large influx of people from a different community, where they already had developed a certain and own way of communicating and dealing with each other. They brought this culture with them into this game and thus it also became part of eve.
I mean, many have already adopted some the goon language. Look at how often the term internet spaceships is used. Or the meme of confirming to be gay, stupid or otherwise ******ed :)
Whether you like it or not goons are in eve and the forums, the question is just who will assimilate whome in time ;)
edit: spelling
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Razzor Bladez
Minmatar Minmatar Training Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:03:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Montasque
I agree that the new influx of players that will be coming to EvE is very important to CCP and the game, but I dont think there is a concentrated effort on their part to help the drama along. I think they love all the press we're getting them, but it's more caused by the 'hands off' approach CCP uses in regards to their player base.
I really do think a lot of the blow back we are seeing in this thread is a generational issue. Goons are generally younger, goofy, and American, while jade and his lot are older, serious, and European. Of course you are going to get conflict between two groups who are so different, the difference is that we arent petitioning to have all older players banned from the forum for being completely boring.
Yes I didnt quite mean CCP are "guideing" it at all. More kind of just taking a back seat letting it all happen with a far more chilled approach due to the upcoming events. There is no way CCP are not aware of the benefits and great timing of the disbanding of BoB and the Delve war and is more than happy to have 1000 threads a day about it.
As far as generation goes I think some people need to go read the WoW forums, Goons maybe younger but CAOD is far from that level, The posts are just entertaining and relaxed.. Not all "Serios Buisness"
I couldnt think of anything more boring, The reason we only get the Goon threads and reports is bcuz Delve is the only "real" thing going on, If people want a 50/50 balance of posting style then they should go start there own wars and then post there own serios buisness posts on CAOD and not expect it from a Alliance whos members come from www.somethingawful.com lol...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 02/03/2009 17:00:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How about using out of character insults and personal attacks as a means of harassing an Eve player is both against the eula and the forum rules?
But when you do it, its A-OK...
In Jade's defence though, his unwarranted personal attacks are at least vaguely original. I think that my favourite is "weasel-tackled misfit", which dates back to the "golden age" of CAOD.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Graalum
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 02/03/2009 17:22:50
Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 02/03/2009 17:00:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How about using out of character insults and personal attacks as a means of harassing an Eve player is both against the eula and the forum rules?
Also, your lesbian sex brothel thing was(and maybe is, who knows?) entirely in character. So those would be in character insults and personal attacks and not out of character insults or personal attacks.
caod is not an in-character forum.
anyways there is more drivel on caod then ever right now (debatable, i know) but record lows of meaningful content (not so debatable). I can't think of the last time i came to caod to figure out what was going on in some other region/conflict that i didn't have direct knowledge of or involvement in. I used to, but it was probably a year ago or so.
I see that the mods have taken it upon themselves to arbitrarily ban internet members for stupid arbitrary reasons, which probably won't help in the long run. My alt has been banned for not having a corp ticker showing, which it did and does.
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Cors
Gallente It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:24:00 -
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Personally, I feel a CCP rep should limit the posting on this board to CEO's, Directors, or alliance level diplomats.
It would significantly reduce the crap that's on here, and actually make it worth while.
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Kharnifex
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:27:00 -
[149]
no it wouldnt
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Kosh Ohura
Caldari Deutsche Raumfahrt Union Die Asteroiden Pluenderer
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:29:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Cors Personally, I feel a CCP rep should limit the posting on this board to CEO's, Directors, or alliance level diplomats.
It would significantly reduce the crap that's on here, and actually make it worth while.
So you basically want a blog where those guys have to login and post some stuff about their alliance, so that you have something to read while drinking your coffee?
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