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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.05 08:47:00 -
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0.0 revamp and lowered lvl 4 mission payout is indeed needed.
i hope the w-space and delayed local will bring some fun to small roaming w-space gangs.
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 08:49:00 -
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/signed
I agree completely. '05 character here.
When I started there was incentive to go out to dangerous areas. There is none now.
No reason to go 0.0 now... Unless you want to lose money... You can make just as much in empire and fight when you want in 0.0
You don't HAVE to really EARN fortunes anymore. Just grind missions and that's it... boring as hell.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rells Of course I knew the carebears would come in force. There are some interesting things in the thread and some pure comedy.
First of all AGONY has never been about the biggest ships, faction modules and blob warfare. Anyone alleging such a thing MUST be a carebear because AGONY is well known for being the opposite of all of that.
Second of all don't bother insulting me. I honestly and legitimately dont care. You can do you "cry some more" and "QQ already" (a stupid phrase anyway) and call me every name in the book if you want. But the reality is that I will never meet you, never work with you, never talk to you out of this game and I couldnt care less what you think of me. Those whose opinions I value are my wife, children and family.
Now people also seem to have ADHD or some sort of reading comprehension disorder. Not once did I advocate turning all of space into 0.0 or any of the other stupid things that people have tried to put in my mouth.
CCP needs to alter its focus to be on the PvP. I know I said it before but I will say it again since people seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I want CCP to put the emphasis to providing tools for corps and alliances to exist better. I want CCP to increase the wealth in 0.0 which is mostly a baren wasteland. I want CCP to focus on facilitating player run empires rather than NPC empire space. I want CCP to stop introducing pointless 0.0 regions that have no practical use and instead look at 0.0 as it is and come up with a comprehensive plan to push the game back to risk vs reward.
Oh and to all the carebers threatening me ... if you want a piece of me I will be in 0.0. Come and get me.
you simply don't want to understand ...
EVE is all about income for CCP. 0.0 or extensinve PvP requires funding. Funding requires online time. There's a minority of players that can afford the kind of RL resource waste you need for 0.0 presence. It's called casual gamer, that's where the most subsriptions are, limited online time, simple enjoyment. CCP does care about them because they care about their income and finance. No matter how much you whine about it, you cannot change that.
I have great respect for AGONY, but you are loosing it with these kind of posts rapidly ...
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Tesma Valdir
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Risk vs reward is something that the CSM is always considering. We are very well aware that it's currently too risky to be in 0.0 compared to reward.
A lot of the things Mr. Johnson points out we are already working on coming up with solutions for.
Heck, I never much cared about the CSM "politics" but this is really good to hear. Guess, I will have to observe the CSM more closely in order to know whom to support.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T All they'd need to do is scale mission bounty/loot reward with system security tier (as opposed to just the mission reward and LP gains), and revamp the mining system on a concentration-based system (where everything is everywhere, but the concentration matters, and it's higher the lower the system sec) as opposed to a "what's there and what's not" system.
I might still sleepy, but while I understand (and approve of) the first suggestion, why would you think the second would improve things? Maybe I just don't understand what you mean exactly, can you elaborate?
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Tamahra
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
I dont care if you think i am valid or not. I and my corp have done far more for Eve than you ever will. So your opinion of me is less than irrelevant.
I stopped reading through your pile of crap right here. What kind of no-lifer must someone be to post trash like this and call other subscribers "low-quality subscriptions".
Crawl back under your stone and get a girl-friend, which you apparently never had.
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:26:00 -
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When you de-incentive the exploration and exploitation of 0.0 by making it so worth while to stay in empire. You dumb down the game for your average wow player.
Where is the incentive to take risks? To build your empire out in 0.0? To boldly go where no pod has gone before?
There is very little of that now. Why take risks to make money when you can do it in a completely safe environment.
Empire is now the path of least resistance.
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:39:00 -
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05 vet here (geez played that long)
there is actualy only a few things ccp have to do to unlock that "risk gate"
Remove zydrine and mega from loot
As one statet remove all positive + agents to low sec, 0.0
Make more interesting moon and ore shuffle in all regions (0.0, low sec)
Remove static roid belts from empire and make them exploration only and leave the static in low sec, 0.0
With these few changes eve would turn up side down from what is is now.
When you are new to game, empire will fill your wallet with what you need, but you want that carrier at the end and not use 1 year getting it, you have to speed up the isk gain by moving low sec 0.0, the real isk should be where you fight for your place, not on the safety under the donut eating gate huggers...
TBear
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:39:00 -
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How to make 0.0 more exciting: break up alliances, drop blue standings, kill anything that's not blue.
How to make Empire more exciting: reduce exploration sites to "Yes, it works" (ie: the reward is barely sufficient to cover the cost of finding the site). Prevent NPC corp pilots undocking in ships larger than a cruiser.
If you're going to be subject to wardecs when flying a battleship, why not move out to low/nullsec where the real profits are? :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer
Originally by: Akita T All they'd need to do is scale mission bounty/loot reward with system security tier (as opposed to just the mission reward and LP gains), and revamp the mining system on a concentration-based system (where everything is everywhere, but the concentration matters, and it's higher the lower the system sec) as opposed to a "what's there and what's not" system.
I might still sleepy, but while I understand (and approve of) the first suggestion, why would you think the second would improve things? Maybe I just don't understand what you mean exactly, can you elaborate?
This here. Basically, it GUARANTEES miners can get a higher equivalent-ISK income the lower in truesec they go if they do their calculations right, as opposed to being subjected to the whims of whatever loot drops from missions or whatnot (which resulted in the current "Veldspar from 1.0 is better than some lowsec ores and almost on par with some 0.0-only ores" situation). In other words, even if the ores themselves don't change, the amount mined will no longer be constant (in m^3), but will fluctuate based on concentration (from much lower to much higher compared to amounts mined now, depending on the ore's concentration below or above "base" x1 multiplier).
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Atreus Tac
Quatidion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
This here. Basically, it GUARANTEES miners can get a higher equivalent-ISK income the lower in truesec they go if they do their calculations right, as opposed to being subjected to the whims of whatever loot drops from missions or whatnot (which resulted in the current "Veldspar from 1.0 is better than some lowsec ores and almost on par with some 0.0-only ores" situation). In other words, even if the ores themselves don't change, the amount mined will no longer be constant (in m^3), but will fluctuate based on concentration (from much lower to much higher compared to amounts mined now, depending on the ore's concentration below or above "base" x1 multiplier).
The benefit of miners in 0.0 brings two major bonuses imo. 1.) with more miners here the market wont be so pittyful, hence people can stay in 0.0 with out having the need for a hauling all (for pirates).
2.) more pewpew. I dont mean shooting mining barges, but with minering you need security. This would bring small mercs into play, a corp of 5 can cover a mining op (at a cost of course), having more option for people can only be a good thing.
this is me speculating. Dont take it as me thinking it will 100% happen
ps. i dont do long explainations like some, so i have missed out on some bits. __________________________________________________________
-Cheers-
Atreus Tac
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Secluse
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:13:00 -
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It's not often that I agree with Rells, and even if there are some differences in opinion, I totally agree with the context, theme and overall direction of the OP.
It's the same reason I joined Agony, Rells crafted something that (based upon my research) is unique in EVE which I enjoy. While I don't agree with every detail, it's the overall direction that is so important.
And I do agree that overall direction of EVE has over the years shifted from a PvP centric game to a PvE centric game, and I 100% believe it has all to do with subscriptions. Hopefully CCP can find a balance to both boost subscribers, but also maintain the niche that built the game in the first place.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:19:00 -
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I would have enough time to play in 0.0. The will I am lacking, and the reason would not be fixed by any of the listed ones I am afraid. I am not willing to go to 0.0 because the politics there is repulsive. Being there would severely limit my fun, so I am not going to venture to 0.0 likely ever again. It might be bearable without the whole sovereignity thing...
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:26:00 -
[344]
Thank heavens for 0.0/lowsec..
I've not played in empire for 2 years. The place is inhospitable due to the extreme amount of epeen and idiocy in various localchats.
Oh, and seeing 200 ships on directional scanner in every system make me jump :p
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:45:00 -
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CCP will never "fix" this game (make major changes) by taking stuff away from High Sec and placing more stuff in Low Sec and 0.0. I have never ever seen CCP do that in all my years of playing this game.
I have been reading these "Eve is on it's last leg or will be soon if CCP does not....." for years now. Eve is changing and if you have a problem with that then you have many choices. I will name a few:
1. Get a job at CCP and try to work from the inside to change their minds on how the game should be. Good luck with that one cause unless you can prove that CCP will still make a profit in this day or world wide financial problems you aint getting any where. CCP may have been just a bunch of good ol boys wanting a good ol internet spaceship game back when this started but that aint the case anymore. People have wants and needs that take money. And if what you want causes them to loose subscriptions they will never accommodate you. CCP seems very proud of the fact that more and more people are logging in. Do you really feel they want less people due to changes that some in this thread are proposing?
2. Keep posting on the forums on how you would go about changing Eve for the better for a Majority of the players and how CCP can still make money. I'd post somewhere else other then in General though.
3. Play another game. You may love this game now but if you feel it is not going the way you want it or the way you feel it should, you're better off ending the relationship now with a good feeling in your gut then later when all you want to do is to destroy the one you use to love.
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Tylwyth Teg
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
It must be the fact that I am 38 and not from the newer generation. When I grew up, honor, ethics, integrity, and principles were not seen as obstacles. We are in the midst of the "ME" generation I suppose but it is a generation that has lost the ability to think and reason rationally. They emote but they dont consider. They rant but don't calculate. They want it all now and cant see the long term impact of their foolish decisions.
funny, thats what the generation before yours said about you see the pattern ? its not Eve that is the problem, you are just done with Eve but havent accepted it yet because its been an important part of your life for 5 years
i could say 'if you dont like it then leave' but that is the kind of disrespectful comment the younger generation would say ;-)
take a break, go mountain biking, study the effects of changing weather patterns in patagonia. do something else for awhile. too much of anything gets old and then you start to hate the thing to justify the feelings. some people do the same thing in their personal relationships.
you need a CHANGE my man
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Par'Gellen
Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:28:00 -
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This thread is 100% complete fail. If you want to fly around being an utter asshat without consequences then you should write your own game. Go do that and then get back with us about how uber it is.
-Signed: Also a 5 Year Veteran (spelled correctly) ---
To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:42:00 -
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After catching up on my sleep (CCP isn't the only software company that requires its workers to do 20hour days to get software ready for releases) I'm going to A) apologize for being arsey (Lack of sleep) and B) point out that the game really isn't all that bad and empire can't compete when it comes to making profit easily.
PVP just a part of the game, hampered by many factors as discussed.
Now to reconfigure my games machine so I can play spin the ship!
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:12:00 -
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Posting to confirm this troll has been upgraded to a 9/10. GG old troll, keep butthurting at people. Maybe you'll crack a thousand eventually. Until then I'll continue to get my lulz at all the 'ZOMG MOAR PVP NURF HISEC CAREBEARS ARE TEH SUXXORZ!' tears, secure in the knowledge that EvE Online will continue working as intended, with profitable hisec missions and grief-free NPC corps for all. CCP appease us, every one.
Originally by: Dreximus
Originally by: Alowishus These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th |
Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 05/03/2009 22:07:07 It's not difficult to see how we got here. Newer, bigger ships, modules, etc. required vastly more resources to build so they can actually be lost in combat, and that in turn created the complex economy we have today. In the process, I think CCP got the balancing act wrong to cause where we are today with losec/nullsec.
For example, the production cost of T2 modules and ships, and even for T1 ships above a certain size class, should have been biased toward losec/nullsec ore to minimize the effects of, say, tritanium, on the overall market. For those ships and modules, tritanium should be the least-necessary mineral, with a primary focus on minerals obtained from losec/nullsec. If you think about it, the most sought-after vehicles, as an example, in our RL universe are created not with steel and aluminum, but with carbon composites and titanium. Same analogy would fit here. Want to fly a BS or equip a T2 missile launcher? Sure, but you either have to pay lots for it, or you have to venture into nullsec/losec and fight your way to get the resources.
I really think the answer to everyone's concerns about the changes in EVE lies with a review of the economy, and specifically of the mineral mix of production BPO/BPCs. The EVE universe is driven by economics, so if you give people an economic incentive to go into losec/nullsec (and by extension take away the economic incentive to remain in hisec) they will. There's NO reason for someone to venture out of hisec right now - they can fly any supped-up rat faction BS with officer/plex mods they want with relative safety, and just hang out doing their own thing for all their time in EVE.
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JackofHearts
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:58:00 -
[351]
Edited by: JackofHearts on 05/03/2009 22:59:04 WOW FINALLY A THREAD WORTH READING!!!!!!!!!!
I think now would also be a time to mention the fact that carebears can just press Ctrl Q and have there ship vanish out of any pvp situation. All freighters typically impossible to kill now a days...
Read this if you don't believe me...
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/902198/page/1
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.05 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 05/03/2009 23:45:08
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Ancy Denaries Wormholes do however require a team effort, albeit a PvE one. At least it's a step in the right direction. Other than that, I agree with your sentiments, Rells.
Listen to what you just said. "A PvE Effort" I rest my case. Its gone so far that poeple accept it as normal. No one seems to remember when players warned of this years ago and were flamed out of town and laughed at for anticipating something so stupid.
They were all right.
but eve has always required a PvE effort. I remeber the days of ninja mining to build the 1st battleships, going deep into 0.0 space and claiming our own belt from npcs, then setting up pos and mining moons, making outposts. PvE has and always will be the drive behind PvE. Wormholes are nothing more than another level of this.
Without PvE there is nothing to fight over.
That said you might eb able to tell I don't support level 4 missions :P
also Quote: Remove zydrine and mega from loot
bring back the days of ninja mining!
TO be honest I love W-space because it's a new more dangerous than 0.0 space. It's going to be awesome running into enemy gangs with no escape points!
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zyphentits
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:21:00 -
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Wormholes are just a way of giving carebears who never leave high sec free safe 0.0 access without having to fight or work for it. They might as well just take pvp out of the game and we all do mission quests. I wonder whats next maybe when you scam someone in eve you will get banned for it like they do in wow? Like people can just ctrl q now and get out of any pvp situation so I guess pvp in a way is already useless in eve. It's already happened tbh...
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:39:00 -
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There may have been things that CCP has made worse during the course of the last 5 years, but...
Rells has been whining about how PvP or piracy is dead for the last 4 years. -
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente SPORADIC MOVEMENT FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.03.06 02:59:00 -
[355]
You could tell which way this thread would go when the OP started throwing the term 'carebear' around like it was a hand grenade. The stream of insults which then chased after everyone who then had the temerity to disagree with him has meant that whatever he had to say just can't be taken remotely seriously.
CCP are a commercial entity operating in what are extremely difficult times. They are not an underground collective dedicated to a 'pure' pvp experience. If they were, then we'd have CS with internet spaceships with little or no alternative content and little or no backstory.
The need to make money that enables them to keep doing what they enjoy doing and keep producing a game we all enjoy playing, dictates that they have to have some kind of balance. In this case that means supplying a level of content for the casual gamers that make up the vast majority of their paying subscribers. The silent majority who would never feel the need to get on these forums and whinge at length about how the game is dying because the roids in Vullat only re-spawn once a day.
There's only one consistent whine I see on these forums lately and its not from 'carebears'.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 06/03/2009 03:43:29
Originally by: zyphen**** Wormholes are just a way of giving carebears who never leave high sec free safe 0.0 access without having to fight or work for it. They might as well just take pvp out of the game and we all do mission quests. I wonder whats next maybe when you scam someone in eve you will get banned for it like they do in wow? Like people can just ctrl q now and get out of any pvp situation so I guess pvp in a way is already useless in eve. It's already happened tbh...
Its comming to that. And your assessment of wormholes is sniper style accurate.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa Posting to confirm this troll has been upgraded to a 9/10. GG old troll, keep butthurting at people. Maybe you'll crack a thousand eventually. Until then I'll continue to get my lulz at all the 'ZOMG MOAR PVP NURF HISEC CAREBEARS ARE TEH SUXXORZ!' tears, secure in the knowledge that EvE Online will continue working as intended, with profitable hisec missions and grief-free NPC corps for all. CCP appease us, every one.
Bold added by me.
Of course it is you saying these things. I never said anything remotely like that.
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Snaps
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Posted - 2009.03.06 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Snaps on 06/03/2009 04:15:46 you know, F wormhole PvE, what eve it is.. wth is going on today in 00.. here is my game in eve tonight all 1hr of it. first to yesterday, at great risk i gotta get into alliance space right so it takes all night just to get that done do to like 10 wb in one freaking system right! log.. game over for that night i can move i am gate locked because i am made as soon as i jump into alliance space..
i cant get back out it wont happen through that chock point to many wb everywhere and ships right so game over for tonight. this is day one!
day two today.. ok i get through.. tonight, i am in hunting around for some pay back ok, i get my pod cool. i keep to my map picking system routes with the lowest numbers to move around in. i keep to these systems and i might not get made to well.. yea right! ok anyway, soon after i get my pod i am still on the hunt but wait i got know where to really go because i am boxed in by grid locked chock points wb to death so i cant pass and i am in a dd a pretty fast ship right.. i got 5 systems i can only really move around in for real.
well of course i get made and a team of 20 ships or so start hunting me, well ok blob combat is the thing in eve these days. i'm pretty shore i am gonna lose my ship soon because i cant hide, local you know.. who needs to scan right.. ok i lose my ship its log for hrs or give it a go because i know i am not getting back to empire so i keep moving but thank to local i cant hide right so i get wb in and stuck so i lose my dd to 8 ships or whatever now here is the best part i get my pod out. yea, luck was on my side but i gotta log because the system that i picked had no stations and was off the beaten track with only 3 gates and now there are 20 ships buzzing around. a lota sport here, anyway so i log back on. 1 hr later to go back to having fun tonight. wait there is one alt sitting there while i'm looking at my map to work a no win route out of these systems 30 ships jump in.. wa! log.. i got to play eve for a hr tonight.. yep.
i think ill pod myself to get out! do we need local, do we need to allow 10 wb's in one system with the blobs to go with them. do we really need a 00 space so locked down! .. log! log! log! in 00 that all the game is turning out to be..
this is combat oh wait we do fleet wars.. :) baa! right.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.06 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Unknown on 06/03/2009 06:15:22
Originally by: Snaps Edited by: Snaps on 06/03/2009 04:23:29 -Wall of text-
Wait...what? I have no idea what you said there... ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Sevarus James
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.06 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 06/03/2009 07:12:08
Originally by: Snaps Fancy pharmacologically induced bits of text
Is that you Daniel Jackson? Come on, is it? Updated Ubuntu Compiz-Linux Desktop+EVE Premium |
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