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Jack Bombardier
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:00:00 -
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Seems like a very popular ship. What's so good about it and how is it used?
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stopdropandlol
Gallente Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Bombardier Seems like a very popular ship. What's so good about it and how is it used?
its fast. you dictate range. and a chance to gtfo if things go bad (more people warp in, target is doing too much damage)
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 05/03/2009 03:28:15 It's also very easy to fit a probe launcher on the thing, which IMO justifies its big pricetag.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.03.05 04:08:00 -
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it's a cruiser-sized tackler. you can shred frigs. hit and run other HAC's and BS's, but dont expect to take any down solo.
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kelisin
Gallente Death's Phalanx
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Posted - 2009.03.05 04:44:00 -
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It kills anything under BC size within seconds can travel faster than the people running away from it and did i mention it can utterly **** frig sized ships.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.03.05 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: kelisin It kills anything under BC size within seconds...
no, not really. i can see a well fit T1 cruiser giving it some trouble. anything with one or two explo hardeners really, or even a 1600mm buffer tank; vaga's dps is quite low. i wouldnt attack a cane, harbie, or even a brutix head on with it.
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.03.05 06:11:00 -
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DPS is low, but you can take on any BC, as they're slower than you and you can outrange them (most fit short range guns). DPS on the vagabond is low, but you can whittle down any buffer tank on a BC or smaller until they die. The key is to do it before friends show up (in which case you should be flying with friends yourself, preferably with several vagabonds and a huginn).
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DoubleDuo
Minmatar G00d Times The Eden Project
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Posted - 2009.03.05 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE i wouldnt attack a cane, harbie, or even a brutix head on with it.
...have you ever flown the vaga? it ****s a harbinger due to its base resists, pwns the cane, and as for the short-ass range brutix..? only thing ive never taken down in mine is a passived drake/other passived ship. Hell, ive had an alt been solo'd in a lone vaga, and she had 2 heavy neuts and 5 ogre II's on him. Admittedly, i was taking on an anomaly at the time, but still... vagabond is quite possibly the best HAC out there, with the exception of the zealot. Come on, gimme your best shot |
bettybettybettybetty
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Posted - 2009.03.05 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: DoubleDuo
Originally by: UMEE i wouldnt attack a cane, harbie, or even a brutix head on with it.
...have you ever flown the vaga? it ****s a harbinger due to its base resists, pwns the cane, and as for the short-ass range brutix..? only thing ive never taken down in mine is a passived drake/other passived ship. Hell, ive had an alt been solo'd in a lone vaga, and she had 2 heavy neuts and 5 ogre II's on him. Admittedly, i was taking on an anomaly at the time, but still... vagabond is quite possibly the best HAC out there, with the exception of the zealot.
ogre IIs....
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.05 12:17:00 -
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Brutix is dead vs vaga, but unless the pilots are completely incompetent a harbie and cane will not lose from a vaga.
Vaga dps is pretty low, and nothing really to worry about. But vagas are very hard to catch. Zealot or ishtar has far better dps, but also far easier to catch. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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DoubleDuo
Minmatar G00d Times The Eden Project
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Posted - 2009.03.05 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: bettybettybettybetty ogre IIs....
i know, it was my fault i wasnt watching local... but hey, when your going up against Estamel, you kinda concentrate on him :P Come on, gimme your best shot |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.05 13:23:00 -
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It's faster than anything that isn't an interceptor/dictor, firepower&toughness of a HAC and it retains its damage at a fairly long range (Good firepower at 24km). What isn't there to like?
There are drawbacks of course. Tracking Disruptors, Webs or ECMs can easily knock a vagabond out of the fight and it doesn't lock as fast as a ceptor. But it's a good ship for fast raiding (in particular in groups of 3-5 ships). In particular it's good at hitting ratters that tank against non-angels. Also, if your opponent is an armortanker the DPS rating deceptive. Barrage features Exp/Kin damage, which means that you'll have to multiply the DPS by about 30% to get an accurate comparison to someone using lasers (remember falloff though). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.05 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE you can hit and run other HAC's and BS's, but dont expect to take any down solo.
Keep on spreading those "facts"
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Delichon
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2009.03.05 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: DoubleDuo
...have you ever flown the vaga? it ****s a harbinger due to its base resists,
Although Vaga does have imba-resists against Amarr, it still has no chances to kill a at least my Harb(well - it has 1 opportunity. ECM-drones. Those pesky things can really ruin your day :( ), because it will get tracked perfectly with scorch up to 24km and if tries to get close (meaning - scrambler/AN MF range) - Vaga is dead within seconds. Now what Vaga CAN do against a Harb is try to take on it and disengage if it feels it can't win the fight. Exactly what Vaga is best at.
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DoubleDuo
Minmatar G00d Times The Eden Project
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Posted - 2009.03.05 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
Originally by: DoubleDuo
...have you ever flown the vaga? it ****s a harbinger due to its base resists,
Although Vaga does have imba-resists against Amarr, it still has no chances to kill a at least my Harb(well - it has 1 opportunity. ECM-drones. Those pesky things can really ruin your day :( ), because it will get tracked perfectly with scorch up to 24km and if tries to get close (meaning - scrambler/AN MF range) - Vaga is dead within seconds. Now what Vaga CAN do against a Harb is try to take on it and disengage if it feels it can't win the fight. Exactly what Vaga is best at.
Vaga is like panda. She eats, shoots and leaves :)
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pushdogg
Minmatar Vermin.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 16:56:00 -
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imagine this.....frigate agility and speed, with cruiser sized dps and 5 lights, and you have a vaga. its the interceptor equivalent for the cruiser class, and im rarely disappointed with my vaga best sig ever:)
Originally by: Soul Harvestor You're an idiot.
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Riaz Qaadir
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:05:00 -
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They're popular because they have the most survivability of HACs although low range/dps compared to others because your always in falloff (lol @ flying vaga @ 2km).
While you could fly a inty and have better run away ability you don't have the dps to kill what you can catch.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis
Originally by: UMEE you can hit and run other HAC's and BS's, but dont expect to take any down solo.
Keep on spreading those "facts"
k will do.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:23:00 -
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It has uber gtfo'ness
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Imaos
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 It has uber gtfo'ness
Some people here would call it french bravery.
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Durindana
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:37:00 -
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Scrambler buff has really complicated vagabond's strengths. I'd short-sell its stock atm tbh
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Ran Koh
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:36:00 -
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What fitting would you use.
Having just purchased a character that can use them, I can't find a fitting that would actually suit the Vaga. They are all from 2007-2008
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Mortis Tyrathlion
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:45:00 -
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I haven't actually flown a Vaga since pre-QR (never got around to buying another) but I'd imagine that it hasn't really changed... sure it's slower now, but it's still a real ***** to catch. Only possible change would be to lose propulsion rigs for shield or projectile ones - but of course, shield rigs drive up the sig radius, and projectile rigs have debateable value while not really improving your survivability. I fit extender rigs to my Huginn, but friends still go with polys. -
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:47:00 -
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Random vaga-flame in vaga thread;
Screw all you vaga pilots who can keep my inty in your damned falloff long enough to shred it.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
Friends of Honor Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:50:00 -
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Standard fit hasnt changed
220mm vulcans 2 x LSE II t2 point 10mn mwd II 3 x gyro II 2 x nanofiber II
2 x projectile ambit extension
5 x warriors or hornet ec-300
It was easier pre-QR because u could afford to fit a cap booster to gain even more invulnerability factor to protect against heavy neuts, but now i don't think it's a good idea when about every mid-sized weapon out there can still hit and slowly chew through your buffer tank.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts Standard fit hasnt changed
220mm vulcans 2 x LSE II t2 point 10mn mwd II 3 x gyro II 2 x nanofiber II
2 x projectile ambit extension
5 x warriors or hornet ec-300
It was easier pre-QR because u could afford to fit a cap booster to gain even more invulnerability factor to protect against heavy neuts, but now i don't think it's a good idea when about every mid-sized weapon out there can still hit and slowly chew through your buffer tank.
IMHO it's better to exchange at least one of those nanofibers for Overdrives. The vaga used to be fast to the point where it couldn't maintain a good orbit without nanofibers. These days it's slower and relatively more agile. Maybe a DCII somewhere. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
ebonyivory
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:55:00 -
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you take away abond and replace with ina ....
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