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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 06/03/2009 16:34:08 ... to the newbies...
Several of the default settings in a new users account are ... well, dangerous.
1) Autopilot has by default "Choose shorter" which can lead new players into lowsec without their intention. I am all for PVP, but I prefer to be able to say my targets knew what they were doing and were not just on autopilot from Hulm to Ours. 2) Autotargeting is on by default. This leads to the possibility of a less-informed newbie being Concorded from having his guns primed for his/her first mission.
In my opinion, this is not good game design. Let the poor newbies make conscious choices that will lead them into danger - do not make them for them. Also, these are settings most of us know how to change after a short while, but it is bloody annoying that they are reset after each server crash/cache swipe/reinstall.
TLDR version: Change Autopilot to default to "Safer" and change Autotargeting to 0 targets back as default. ***** Empress of the Multiverse ***** |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:41:00 -
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Oh god does this ever need to be implemented.
It is hilarious to see autopilot ibis through low sec though. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Hesod Adee
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:30:00 -
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This will help new players without causing any harm that I can see. ----------------------------------------------
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.06 21:06:00 -
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Supported =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:38:00 -
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yep, supported.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.07 01:52:00 -
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While I'm all for a "harsh but fair" introduction to EVE, the AP standard setting just doesn't make sense, same with the autotargeting (why the hell do we have it anyway).
Self-proclaimed idiot
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:24:00 -
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Definitely. --Vel
There is no right or wrong way. There is only what works and what leaves you waking up in a clone vat. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.07 07:34:00 -
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Fully supported on both. Especially given how many settings are stored on the hard drive - I have buddies who lost ships because they were trying Eve on their shiny new system to see if it could dual-box Premium, and didn't notice that their autopilot suddenly decided to stab them in the back.
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.07 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ecatherina W 2) Autotargeting is on by default. This leads to the possibility of a less-informed newbie being Concorded from having his guns primed for his/her first mission.
AFAIK, you still need to answer the prompt even if you primed your guns. Also there is no longer any option to permenantly dismiss the warning, so they will need to answer it each time.
However, these changes to the default settings would be nice if for no other reason than my own convenience.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 11:34:00 -
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MORE
1. Display setup : INTERVAL ONE instead of interval immediate (i.e. VSync on), so Advanced Settings also enabled (some people actually experience damage to their video cards due to overheating, might want to prevent that from happening, also there's no point in having a FPS higher than your display refresh rate anyway)
2. General settings (general) : SHOW session change timer (and make it actually display a timer, not a bloody rotating 5-pixel thingy... seriously, annoying as hell)
3. Overview defaults : sorted by distance, stargates on overview, cans/wrecks/debris/asteroids/billboards/stations off the overview, overview TALLER (at least fill the screen from below current target to the bottom on the lowest display resolution height)
4. General settings (inflight) : Auto target back - ZERO targets (it's one of the first things most people that have a clue do anyway, newbies are only inconvenienced by it, and only a handfull of vets actually can make a decent use of it)
5. General settings (windows) : DON'T try to use existing info window. We really don't need the old info taken away by default, it's easier to close an opened window than pressing shift every time.
6. Shortcuts : ADD a lot of the existing commands with some default keypress combos, especially drone commands (for instance, F9 for attack, or anything else that makes sense). Having some "standardized" keypresses for things people use a lot would only make sense.
7. Common (graphic) settings : Cache Size OFF (seriously, it doesn't help that much at all to have it any larger, if you want, you can make it larger later).
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
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Fairhand
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.07 11:46:00 -
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I almost got caught out by the fact that Drones are set to Aggressive by default. I have been advised to set them to Passive.
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Abulurd Boniface
Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.03.07 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 07/03/2009 11:56:58 Wholeheartedly supported.
Setting up new people without the slightest bit of experience to make dangerous mistakes is really unconscionable. It's a lame "Gotcha!". I tell all the newbies I meet: "Have you set your autopilot not to fly through lowsec?". I'm sure there are those who believe I'm trying to trick them into something until they see the actual line in the Autopilot tab.
Let the newbies acclimatise for a while. When they know enough to make their own decision they should absolutely bear the consequence. Can we just not do that in the first hour they're here though, when they don't know where they are, where they're going, what they're doing, what all the knoepfkens and blinkenlights are for?
Devil's advocate argument: getting podded in your first hour of being in New Eden is your clear sign that you're not in My Friendly Pony Land. In this place you pay attention or you pay the price. Ignorance is not an excuse. I actually like that argument quite a bit myself. EVE is not for everyone. I see newbie frigates abandoned outside of stations when people decided they didn't need this hassle. Fair enough. Life in New Eden is not for the "give me a hand out" crowd. It is very much the mindset of "I don't ask for what I want, I -take- what I want".
Having said that, the autopilot should not default to the riskier choice when the newbie can decide on their own they want to fly through lowsec. Autotargetting a ship and not knowing how to turn it off and risk being blown up by Concord is just stupid. These are decisions to be made by experienced capsuleers, not by people still trying to find their way around the interface, never mind the game universe and the strange bestiary of predators it harbours.
Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Covert Kitty
Rock Grinders
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:55:00 -
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Default settings that are more likely to represent the wishes of the pilot is good design.
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Aethrwolf
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Posted - 2009.03.08 05:30:00 -
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Have to support this even though I laughed for hours the day I started and one of my friends got podded close to a dozen times trying to get to where the rest of us were. (WOW guildies who all started a trial on the same day.. I only went back to wow long enough to give my stuff away)
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Reynolds
Third Return Inc. Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2009.03.08 13:50:00 -
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have star gates on the overview by default as well
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Kusum Fawn
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Posted - 2009.03.08 14:53:00 -
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The entire ship should be setup like the theroetical Eve universe Civillian, Ie - No lowsec routes, - stargates on overview, - no autotarget, - Automatically everything on overview (ore, cans, debris) - Better warning about canflipping, (they will shoot you for this)
Why not? - Why no KB padded with ibis? - Noob pewpew is lolz? - Sometimes you just die. Pay attention to your route and surroundings. - Hello Kitty Online?
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2009.03.08 15:19:00 -
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Axel Vindislaga
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Posted - 2009.03.09 04:34:00 -
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Auto targeting?? This must be why my Blockade runner exploded That crushed me Where is the crying like a baby emote...
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Agent Unknown
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Posted - 2009.03.09 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Axel Vindislaga Auto targeting?? This must be why my Blockade runner exploded That crushed me Where is the crying like a baby emote...
That?
Oh, and /signed ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:56:00 -
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Supporting this. As well as several other good points raised in this thread.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
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kangwo
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:40:00 -
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suported
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:42:00 -
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Signed and supported
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Orb Vex
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:36:00 -
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Arpad Elo
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:29:00 -
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Ok...
Never package 2 items like this.
I like the autopilot thing, but I don't understand the game well enough (I'm new myself) to like or dislike the autotargetting, from a game design perspective.
Therefore I can't support this logroll.
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Gun Gal
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:14:00 -
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isnt this covered in the tutorial?
also, if they allow idiots to buy guns, i am sure people who play eve have the brains to learn.
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Twilight Tigress
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gun Gal isnt this covered in the tutorial?
also, if they allow idiots to buy guns, i am sure people who play eve have the brains to learn.
Tbh, I don't care if it is covered in tutorials. I dislike having to reset it after each patch and/or reinstall.
***** Covert Ops POS Gunner *****
Twilight Tigress - price starts at 2.5 bill |
Aluthin
Squires of the Roundtable KnightRaven Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Supported
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kusum Fawn The entire ship should be setup like the theroetical Eve universe Civillian, Ie - No lowsec routes, - stargates on overview, - no autotarget, - Automatically everything on overview (ore, cans, debris) - Better warning about canflipping, (they will shoot you for this)
Why not? - Why no KB padded with ibis? - Noob pewpew is lolz? - Sometimes you just die. Pay attention to your route and surroundings. - Hello Kitty Online?
Hello Kitty Island Adventure is the hardest game known to man.
Suggestion supported. -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Jack Light
legion syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.21 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Light on 21/03/2009 03:41:37 YES, after getting endlessly blown up in my newbie days, it needs a change.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Major Stallion on 21/03/2009 09:06:13
Originally by: Ecatherina W
2) Autotargeting is on by default. This leads to the possibility of a less-informed newbie being Concorded from having his guns primed for his/her first mission.
if a newb is too hasty and refuses to read the "criminal act" pop up, they deserve to die.
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