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Macareus
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:24:00 -
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Why do you care? If you enjoy what you're doing in whatever location you're in keep doing it...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:26:00 -
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Methinks Macareus is missing the point. Group XYZ of players shouldn't (be forced to) move from A to B just for the sake of moving them, they should want to move from A to B by dangling some nice incentives to do so, if they can take the heat.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Macareus Why do you care? If you enjoy what you're doing in whatever location you're in keep doing it...
Because of the mechanics of how EvE rewards teamwork, skill, and challenge. You say 'Why do you want me to move?' They say 'Why do you want to do everything, get and own everything, without having to work for it?'
You say 'I don't bother anyone!' They say 'You're overloading the market with cheap loot which is then reprocessed into high-end minerals which destroy the market value of EVERYTHING, causing industry players to have to sell at-cost for most items, and players who are halfway across the galaxy feel the brunt.'
You say 'But I don't want to.' They say 'You shouldn't have to, but you also shouldn't expect even close to the same rewards as those who do.'
You say 'But they are so mean!' They say 'Be mean yourself, or make friends. EvE isn't a single player game, and teamwork should ALWAYS hold better rewards than solo play.'
You say 'But they always kill me!' They say 'You can put guns on your ship. Use them. Don't choose to be a victim to try and get sympathy ... stand up for yourself. If you want rewards with no threat, why play a game that hinges on that principle?'
You don't need to hit six months and be booted out of hisec. But a player that's older than six months should find that the things he can do for money in hisec just don't cut it anymore. Why? Because of the very realistic way the market and economy in EvE work. Those 20,000 mission runners and hisec miners have a MAJOR, NEGATIVE impact on the economy.
If you think 'cheaper = better', than you only care about yourself, and not the plight of players who do nothing but produce and sell.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Methinks Macareus is missing the point. Group XYZ of players shouldn't (be forced to) move from A to B just for the sake of moving them, they should want to move from A to B by dangling some nice incentives to do so, if they can take the heat.
Exactly.
Since I'm going to assume this is about carebears and low/nullsec (as I've never seen a thread complaining about 0.0 dwellers not spending time in highsec), the main complaint isn't so much that carebears won't go into low/nullsec so much as it is that they have no reason to. Current high/lowsec balance is sort of a double whammy for the people living in low/nullsec. This is because getting a very small improvement in potential isk with huge risk makes it harder to survive out there, and that in turn causes fewer carebears, who are prime targets for the pirates/pvp gangs.
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Cailais
Amarr Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:38:00 -
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Why do people care? - Greed & Envy.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.07 19:07:00 -
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because group JKL likes shooting group XYZ but can't be arsed to move from B to A
lazy sods.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.07 19:15:00 -
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This is a good thread, completely necessary and informative.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:14:00 -
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Because location A sucks and Delve is awesome with its broken truesec.
Also I hear that anime is cartoons.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:27:00 -
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Maybe Location B is better than location A. Other than that, eh?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.08 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Macareus Why do you care? If you enjoy what you're doing in whatever location you're in keep doing it...
Because ...
Ruze feel that his way to play is the only right one.
Right or wrong other people should play Ruze way.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.08 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Macareus Why do you care? If you enjoy what you're doing in whatever location you're in keep doing it...
Because ...
Ruze feel that his way to play is the only right one.
Right or wrong other people should play Ruze way.
Hahahah ... Venkul is doing a lot of speaking for Ruze, especially when none of those 'he said/she saids' I listed were attributed to me.
If anything, I spoke for the OP, but I thought it was fairly clear that I wasn't directly speaking for him, just listing the arguments of both parties.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.08 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Right or wrong other people should play Ruze way.
Hahahah ... Venkul is doing a lot of speaking for Ruze, especially when none of those 'he said/she saids' I listed were attributed to me.
If anything, I spoke for the OP, but I thought it was fairly clear that I wasn't directly speaking for him, just listing the arguments of both parties.
Oh yes, you were doing it in a so fair and balanced way depicting the two arguments:
Well spoken 0.0 dweller vs Stupid high sec carebear.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.08 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Right or wrong other people should play Ruze way.
Hahahah ... Venkul is doing a lot of speaking for Ruze, especially when none of those 'he said/she saids' I listed were attributed to me.
If anything, I spoke for the OP, but I thought it was fairly clear that I wasn't directly speaking for him, just listing the arguments of both parties.
Oh yes, you were doing it in a so fair and balanced way depicting the two arguments:
Well spoken 0.0 dweller vs Stupid high sec carebear.
I only argue that the division of the EvE galaxy should not be about choosing to PVP or not. PvP is as much a part of the game as PvE. NOBODY can truly avoid either, without staying in station.
I think the move to losec or nulsec should be a choice of how much effort you're willing to put into getting the better rewards.
But, if you want to demonize anyone who disagree's with your admitted hatred for all things nulsec alliance related, don't expect me to just let you go on. I'll point out where you're wrong in your assumptions, at least
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