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Grez
Minmatar Core Contingency Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 09:59:00 -
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Supporting classic requires them to build two lots of art, as well as building and supporting an entire other client - this is no-where near an easy task - it's like trying to ship two expansions to two MMO's at once.
No matter which way you look at it, supporting the classic client detracts majorly from EVE in every way. Time which they no longer want to detract from the progression of their game.
Computer games are an expensive hobby. If you cannot afford it, like other people have suggested - find a better hobby. This is not an insult, it's an honest suggestion.
EVE is a constantly progressing universe, and like a constantly progressing universe, the client has to progress too. Why should we be forced to wait longer for new impressive graphics just so you can run a constantly progressing game on your stale hardware? The answer is simple - we should not have to wait.
Those of you without SM2 cards, or with hardware that barely runs the new lite client, are the minority. You are asking CCP to make their expansion rollouts take longer. For them to do twice as much work. When in reality, they should not have to.
Find a cheaper hobby. --- Have a rawr on me. |
midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:00:00 -
[122]
Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb lol @ the guy with 3 accounts but and has little money... if your really that short on cash the ncancel your 3 accounts.... get off yoru ass and get a job...
and im glad CCP did this, it means better gameplay for us all, now they need only maintain 1 client = more man power to fix stuffs/make new stuffs - and will hopefully get rid of the OMFG EVE LAGZ!!! on my ati-Rage3d card!1/! crowd...
OMFG one more .. IS IT TOO HARD little bit thinking before posting ? You think all people who have 4-5 accounts pay for this with live money ? Most of hardcore players pay for his alt accounts by isk (surprise!!!)...
In that case then the ammount of time you spend grinding ISK should be better spent getting a job/qualifications/working? -----------------------------------------------
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Kaivos
Pyydys
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:04:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49 when we subscribed Eve we werent told we would have to spend some hundreds updating our rigs just for playing the damn game.
at the same time I presume you CCP won't give back our isk - ehr I mean the dollarz
so we need a solution. Give us the possibility to get uberlow graphics so we can keep playing decently.
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
Just update your piece of **** rig and stfu.
Takes ton of work from CCP to develop 2x clients at the same time. Those resources are better used elsewhere.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: AK Archangel OMFG one more .. IS IT TOO HARD little bit thinking before posting ? You think all people who have 4-5 accounts pay for this with live money ? Most of hardcore players pay for his alt accounts by isk (surprise!!!)...
Aaaah, look at the poor little child. Lacking attention? Needing a forum ban? Keep up the stupidity and you shall be rewarded.
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:08:00 -
[125]
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
In that case then the ammount of time you spend grinding ISK should be better spent getting a job/qualifications/working?
OMFG they endless !!! You realy think people grinding isk ? .... hmm i suppose you newer make freighter suicide gank :)
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
In that case then the ammount of time you spend grinding ISK should be better spent getting a job/qualifications/working?
OMFG they endless !!! You realy think people grinding isk ? .... hmm i suppose you newer make freighter suicide gank :)
yeah then stop your *****ing and upgrade your pc... times change - why should the MAJORITY of the subscriber base lose out on upgrades and new features cause of the cheapasses and the "im poor" crowd.
PS. BOOHOO :( -----------------------------------------------
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whiskey101
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:14:00 -
[127]
BRING BACK CLASSIC!!!! I HAVE TO CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION NOW! AWRGGG... unless I upgrade my pc?? OMGWTF! wat a waste of money... arg... please CCP!
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OffBeaT
Caldari LEGI0N Soul Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:16:00 -
[128]
i dont see a real fps diff on this version vs the other one..
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:17:00 -
[129]
Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
In that case then the ammount of time you spend grinding ISK should be better spent getting a job/qualifications/working?
OMFG they endless !!! You realy think people grinding isk ? .... hmm i suppose you newer make freighter suicide gank :)
I suppose you've never left your mothers basement, though there is no assuming to that one. Someone so full of Emo can't possibly ever have seen the sun as that would make your emoness melt away.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
In that case then the ammount of time you spend grinding ISK should be better spent getting a job/qualifications/working?
OMFG they endless !!! You realy think people grinding isk ? .... hmm i suppose you newer make freighter suicide gank :)
I suppose you've never left your mothers basement, though there is no assuming to that one. Someone so full of Emo can't possibly ever have seen the sun as that would make your emoness melt away.
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:20:00 -
[131]
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
yeah then stop your *****ing and upgrade your pc... times change - why should the MAJORITY of the subscriber base lose out on upgrades and new features cause of the cheapasses and the "im poor" crowd.
PS. BOOHOO :(
Ehh all i want from some sort of people its just a little thinking before posting. Can you understand in more then 200.000 eve subscribers alot of very different people... why you egoistic think they must be same as you ?
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:22:00 -
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For each buck a classic client user pays CCP, CCP needs to pay 10 bucks to maintain the client. So sorry kids, CCP doesn't want your money anymore. Upgrade, if you can't, don't let the door hit you on the way out. It's a business, not a charity.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:24:00 -
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I've always used the classic version, since imo the performance was better over the premium, especially when using more than one account. So I was as well not all that happy with the scrapping of the classic client.
But tbh, I experienced a great improvement in performance with the new client and settings on low, plus it looks better than before. I had no problems at all running 4 accounts at the same time yesterday, where as classic usually would give really bad fps overall.
Maybe some tweaking in the settings will give you a better result than bringing back the classic.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw For each buck a classic client user pays CCP, CCP needs to pay 10 bucks to maintain the client. So sorry kids, CCP doesn't want your money anymore. Upgrade, if you can't, don't let the door hit you on the way out. It's a business, not a charity.
LOL, imagine going to Red Cross events wearing t-shirts with their logo on it, which you bought 10 years ago. You will look like a right fool if you refuse to buy new ones just because you 'donated' once upon a time.
Can I haz all the stuff of the people leaving because they can't afford to spend 10 Euro's on a second hand video card? You may contract everything to me, I promise not to be greatful and never shed a tear for you.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:30:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Super Whopper on 11/03/2009 10:32:09
Originally by: Chribba I've always used the classic version, since imo the performance was better over the premium, especially when using more than one account. So I was as well not all that happy with the scrapping of the classic client.
But tbh, I experienced a great improvement in performance with the new client and settings on low, plus it looks better than before. I had no problems at all running 4 accounts at the same time yesterday, where as classic usually would give really bad fps overall.
Maybe some tweaking in the settings will give you a better result than bringing back the classic.
Before this expansion I used to run six clients with my video card set to lowest speeds (save on electricity and heat). Now I can still run those same amount of clients, I just need to set the settings to medium, instead of high. I also run my video card (4870 1GB) at full speed (800/3900) and get 80 fps across the board. I actually like it but might buy another 4GB of memory just to make sure I have more than enough for all the programmes I run in the background.
I have a good PC and I do understand that not everyone can afford to spend the amount I do on electronics. However, once again, a second hand video card that will allow you to run SM3 will cost next to nothing as 7300GT's or 8400GS's (7600GT is superiour to the 8400GS and is ancient so cheap) can be bought second hand for extremely cheap.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:32:00 -
[136]
Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb yeah then stop your *****ing and upgrade your pc... times change - why should the MAJORITY of the subscriber base lose out on upgrades and new features cause of the cheapasses and the "im poor" crowd.
Ehh all i want from some sort of people its just a little thinking before posting. Can you understand in more then 200.000 eve subscribers alot of very different people... why you egoistic think they must be same as you ?
If it's such a huge blow to those 200k+ subscribers, why are we hearing so few complain about it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: AK Archangel
Originally by: midge Mo'yb yeah then stop your *****ing and upgrade your pc... times change - why should the MAJORITY of the subscriber base lose out on upgrades and new features cause of the cheapasses and the "im poor" crowd.
Ehh all i want from some sort of people its just a little thinking before posting. Can you understand in more then 200.000 eve subscribers alot of very different people... why you egoistic think they must be same as you ?
If it's such a huge blow to those 200k+ subscribers, why are we hearing so few complain about it?
Because AK Archangel is just trolling?
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:39:00 -
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Well for me the graphics don't really matter. I mean I still play Star Wars Rebellion and still enjoy it.
The main problem with more graphics is that it produces more lag both client and server side. So I know many pvpers who were actually using classic even if their computer could use premium to reduce lag.
Another issue is the power used on laptops for instance. The classic client didn't use a lot of power, however the premium uses about twice the power from the battery of most laptops, now I'm not sure about premium lite but its probably about the same.
I think they could have used the resources they used to update the graphics to fix Sovereignty and other aspects of the game. We did need more systems though. Perhaps we'll see an ability to make player owned stargates in the future to these new areas.
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Grez
Minmatar Core Contingency Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 11/03/2009 10:45:59
Originally by: El'Niaga The main problem with more graphics is that it produces more lag both client and server side.
Oh dear, it seems there are some people without a clue! Graphics don't produce server-side lag. All the server does is number crunching.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:46:00 -
[140]
Originally by: El'Niaga
The main problem with more graphics is that it produces more lag both client and server side. So I know many pvpers who were actually using classic even if their computer could use premium to reduce lag.
LOL, yeah cause the computers in ccps datacenter all have monitors on them and draw pretty picutres for the people there...
the graphics have no effect serverside the pictures are only drawn clientside, all the server does is crunch numbers and say guy is located at position x traveling at x speed towards y...
know what your talking about please before you pull out the lag card, it may cause more fps issues (not lag) but then thats cause you have a ****e graphics card.... my 4670 runs 2 clients on max, with 2 monitors at 1440x900 at a steady 80fps in space...
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:48:00 -
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My card is better than yours.....much better.....
Graphics are just numbers that your computer visualize, and yes they do add to lag.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:51:00 -
[142]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
yes, yes they are.
Agreed. It's unrealistic for CCP to have to keep supporting legacy hardware. It's been what 6 years? If you can't upgrade your rig once every 6 years you have the wrong hobby.
The consoles are over that way if you want something you don't have to upgrade.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga My card is better than yours.....much better.....
Graphics are just numbers that your computer visualize, and yes they do add to lag.
and the server does not draw the images, no serverside lag... caused
my client runs better in premium than it does in classic - if yours is different then its clearly not better.....
premium shifts the graphics work to your card, any lag caused here is cause your graphics card sucks.. -----------------------------------------------
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:54:00 -
[144]
ok now all children introduce his super-puper video cards in this thread.... well but what if some people dont need premium and just graphics on his client? can you imagine this? in pvp some people turn of all what they can... and they do it, most time, not fore performance...
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: El'Niaga My card is better than yours.....much better.....
Graphics are just numbers that your computer visualize, and yes they do add to lag.
and the server does not draw the images, no serverside lag... caused
my client runs better in premium than it does in classic - if yours is different then its clearly not better.....
premium shifts the graphics work to your card, any lag caused here is cause your graphics card sucks..
Didn't say I was experiencing lag...if you note I said some folks, I did not say me....
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Ockham Zaber
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:56:00 -
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the hell with the classic client...
Car Insurance is too much money each month. Please, CCP, make the gov't bring bring back the horse and carriage.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: AK Archangel ok now all children introduce his super-puper video cards in this thread.... well but what if some people dont need premium and just graphics on his client? can you imagine this? in pvp some people turn of all what they can... and they do it, most time, not fore performance...
Yeah cause mentioning an average videocard gets me hard... /sarcasmoff -----------------------------------------------
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: El'Niaga My card is better than yours.....much better.....
Graphics are just numbers that your computer visualize, and yes they do add to lag.
and the server does not draw the images, no serverside lag... caused
my client runs better in premium than it does in classic - if yours is different then its clearly not better.....
premium shifts the graphics work to your card, any lag caused here is cause your graphics card sucks..
Didn't say I was experiencing lag...if you note I said some folks, I did not say me....
"The main problem with more graphics is that it produces more lag both client and server side."
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Khaan Tar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 11:00:00 -
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Not to be a total bastard, but I'm reasonably sure the cost of maintaining codebase for two clients is bigger than the income from all the ragequitters in this thread.
Also, can I have your stuff?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.03.11 11:01:00 -
[150]
ibtl
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