I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire if i found a way to adviod concord i would be warned or baned why is it not the same for them empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP, I did not lose any ship or was even fired on , I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!

Dafuq I just read?

WTF? I seriously want to go around slapping all of the English teachers that apparently failed to tie you to a chair until you learned to use proper English. I could give a pass to Hemingway because he was a total drunk, but your use of run-on sentences merit a vicious caning at the very least.

And, to answer your question; No. It is completely illegal do do anything or use any exploit that allows you to avoid losing your ship on the exact grid you committed the crime.

You trolls realize the subject isn't his English?

well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned

Actually no, there are no rules against griefing people. Ganking everything that comes into Jita is valid gameplay, and could be seen as market manipulation. I'm surprised you didn't hear about it, since there have been elventy billion threads about it the past month.

lol i just choked on my drink laughing. yea sorry grammer is not my strong set im good with math and science but suck at spelling and gramer

The server stayed online
Your note about crashing the server from the EULA doesn't work. CCP had plenty of warning for this event and gave their full and complete blessing for it.

The only way you wouldn't have known this was coming is if you live under a rock.

1.You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.

This is eve HTFU, and yes this is comming from a carebear who does nothing but PVE and Market PVP (this is your only warning I WILL gank your wallet). I blew past the Jita gank fest twice today already. Use your head and you will survive they can't kill us all, if they do no one will build them any more ammo . And watching the battles outside of Jita is quite amazing I suggest you grab a ship and check it out (use your head I won't tell you how to get there alive).

Ohh and go back to hello kitty online.

I am not arguing loss or anything else just that it intentionaly disrupted player experance if they want to cause chaos there is places to do that its Called low or null sec

Well they had to close jita ... disrupting gameplay , players loged off in jitta found that they couldnt log on.

I am not arguing loss or anything else just that it intentionaly disrupted player experance if they want to cause chaos there is places to do that its Called low or null sec

Wrong again. CCP states that all space is free for players to cause chaos and do whatever they want. High sec is not safe space never was and never will be. Nothing is being disrupted, travel and trade are happening per normal and people are warping and shooting and exploding per normal. It's called a sandbox, if you don't like it then the door is ------> way

Ahh the innocence of youth. High sec is high sec, not super-max safety center. While yes, the event has disrupted a significant portion of play for a lot of people, that was the intention. It is not like this sort of thing happens every day though. If GS was going after jita traffic every day, I might take exception to that and so would CCP. There are things called exceptions to rules and they dont happen all the time which makes them okay. You should look around on the gamer sites that have advertised this event about EVE. Go read the comments from various people. Most of what you will find is people who say, "wow, EvE is different than other MMOs." It absolutely amazes me every time this happens and I am glad for it. I want more people to play EvE, I want more people to see this game and how awesome it really is. (holy fanboy rant btw)...

What EvE has is a fully dynamic environment that nothing compares to. My advice, take this in stride and look at it as something interesting that doesn't happen in any other game. What will GS do tomorrow?? WHO KNOWS!? Isn't that great? All we really need now is a true super power dedicated to fighting GS.

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A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
1.You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.

Wrong. Jita is not closed. I just logged onto there. Took maybe 3 tries for a total of 15 seconds.



Wrong again. CCP states that all space is free for players to cause chaos and do whatever they want. High sec is not safe space never was and never will be. Nothing is being disrupted, travel and trade are happening per normal and people are warping and shooting and exploding per normal. It's called a sandbox, if you don't like it then the door is ------> way

Im not arguing that hisec is a super-max safety center nor is it my argument. My point is that the Players involved in the event disrupted a significant portion of play for a lot of people, that was the intention they willfuly atempted to crash the cluster and or disrupt gameplay. also in doing so caused concord to be non responcive giving them the go ahead to have a free for all this i would consider "exploting the limitations of the game machanics " and in direct violation of section 6 heading one of the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp "if CCP gave the green light that i would consider playing favortisim rules should apply to everone not just a select few "

Wrong again. CCP states that all space is free for players to cause chaos and do whatever they want. High sec is not safe space never was and never will be. Nothing is being disrupted, travel and trade are happening per normal and people are warping and shooting and exploding per normal. It's called a sandbox, if you don't like it then the door is ------> way

Nothing is being disrupted,

[quote]Wrong again. CCP states that all space is free for players to cause chaos and do whatever they want. High sec is not safe space never was and never will be

If that is the point then the "EULA" needs to be modified As it stands it is in direct violation of the curent EULA and is favortisim sanctioned or not it still is not in compliance , and no news or anoucment was made in advanced in game ...

If that is the point then the "EULA" needs to be modified As it stands it is in direct violation of the curent EULA and is favortisim sanctioned or not it still is not in compliance , and no news or anoucment was made in advanced in game ...

I have already debunked your favoritism theory, its nonsense, give it up. Also, I have previously stated that you live under a rock. Just because YOU didn't know doesn't mean CCP didn't. Guess what? CCP does not need to consult you every time something happens in THEIR game.

Jita/New Eden (contrary to your popular belief) does not revolve around you.

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You have debunked Squat dont atack me for pointing out the rules"CCP does not need to consult you every time something happens in THEIR game." nore should they what im saying is if its sanctioned then there should be provisions in it it should happen like every other empire gank if you pop some one not war deced and they dont fire on you concord should open fire on you you die end of story. if one concord ship can contain it more and mor concord ships show up till the thret is contained end of story

jita was closed earlyer CCP hat to close the gates to controle palyer flood and keep the server stable it is problay open again now

Couple things...
B) Griefing does not equal harassment

A) The server stayed online
Your note about crashing the server from the EULA doesn't work. CCP had plenty of warning for this event and gave their full and complete blessing for it. The only way you wouldn't have known this was coming is if you live under a rock.

Until somebody is pissed (and rich) enough to challenge it in the court. Based on recent rulings in the internet harassment cases all you need to do is to demonstrate "certain minimum contact" (e.g. intent to inflict emotional harm to the person behind the in-game character) in order for court to assert special personal jurisdiction upon the defendant based on his or her internet activity. What it means in practical terms is that the harassment lawsuit will not be thrown out by the judge and the griefer will face significant legal expenses and plenty of other unpleasant challenges regardless of the outcome.

While I happen to wholeheartedly agree with you here, saying "it's a sandbox" isn't an excuse for everything.

I would agree with you if not for the fact the very first thing goons did when they arrived at Jita was drop 100's and 100's of empty shuttles around the stations. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the reasoning behind that. If that is not a very deliberate "action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System," I don't know what is.

That is, if the product or service being used didn't have a disclaimer that lays out the rules relating to the use of the product or service. There is no chance it would ever have to go that far for EVE, as long as the EULA clearly states game rules and policies. You can sue me all you like, I will simply print out the EULA, highlight the applicable sections with a marker, send it back to your lawyers, and never show up to court. Good luck.

First, EULA (if it is enforceable to begin with and it is a big if) regulates the relationship between a player and a company - CCP in this case. Therefore it can be successfully argued that EULA is not relevant in regulating conflicts between players and should not rejected as a guidance in the case. Secondly, if you don't show up you are in danger of default judgement that almost certainly will not be in your favor even if the case doesn't have enough merit for such judgement. You lose the case and the claimant will have the right to collect the damages. I admit there may be challenges collecting it but you will have the pleasure of dealing with collection actions.

So you're saying that I can still sue McDonald's after chugging a cup of their lava-like coffee, even after they started putting "caution: product HOT" disclaimers on the cups?

The point is, the case is going to be thrown out after the judge reads the primer. You can't sue someone for damages caused in a video game, the whole point of which is to cause damage to other players. Well, you can try. The EULA clearly states what you're signing up for. Once you accept it, you're bound by it, much in the same manner as when you sign up for military service, or an MMA/poker tournament.

You probably need to familiarize yourself with the recent libel and harassment cases related to internet activity before making broad statement like "you can't sue someone for damages caused in a video game...". Also can you provide a reference to a document stating that the whole point of EVE "is to cause damage to other players"? Not avatars and virtual property but the actual person behind in-game character.

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war.

well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned

This event just shows the drawback to an over centralized market system. So those that don't tie themselves to a single system or small handful of systems won't even see it as a blip.

He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had the chance to interrupt him.

But really quite hypnotic.



















and full of mistakes too.

If they didn't want players getting shot, they wouldn't have maintained the game's ability to enable this behavior. Killing other players in EVE is a feature, and not an oversight. Anyone is able to kill everyone, as many times as they want, wherever they want, as long as they do so within the confines set by the game's rules. This has been explicitly stated by the developers. So while maybe "whole point" isn't entirely accurate, "one of the main draws" is.

Also, I don't know the people behind their in-game characters. When I play EVE, I kill Arathella and take her ISK and modules; I don't kill Joe McRandom and take his dollars and car/house. This is a video game, and everything that happens in this video game stays inside this video game. If players can't deal with that, then they shouldn't agree to the EULA, create accounts, and play the video game. You can't objectively equate killing someone in an online game with cyber-bullying, which is, for the most part, now a real felony. Do note that ALL MMO publishers outlaw making real-life threats against other players, which is similar to threatening someone's life on Facebook, and not similar to threatening the life of an in-game avatar.

Most western courts seem to agree with this line of thought, as I'm still able to blow up your Bestower/kill your gnome warlock without my car and house being repossessed. Maybe in China this isn't the case, but then again, I'm not Chinese, and neither is this game.

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

Well, from what's been said a fleet report was filed with CCP and they had plenty of notice so it is quite legitimate that Goons can "burn" Jita as they wish.

And if you're looking for a reason why someone can overwhelm concord with force/numbers? Read the books "EvE The Empyrean Age" Where the minmatar Elders overwhelm CONCORD and destroy the CONCORD control / order relay station.

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

Again if you make broad statements like "most western courts seem to agree with this line..." you have to be prepared to support it with the references to at least multiple court rulings on the subject that support this assertion. To my knowledge there hasn't been any judgement that established legal boundaries between virtual and real world.

Anyway, the point here is there are quite a few grey areas that haven't been tested in the court and assertions like "griefing is not harrassment" or "everything that happens in this video game stays inside this video game" are uneducated guesses at best.

What about ill famous singing ransom incidents? Do they also stay inside this video game?

Or for argument sake let's say I make a racially charged remark towards an avatar that looks like a black person. Can I argue that it doesn't have real life implications and should stay in the game simply because I don't know the person behind the avatar? Where do you draw the line and stop applying real world moral and legal principles?

I dont live in jita and visit it rarely none of this is my point im argueing the Rules and pore excution of the enforcement of the rules and how the machanics are being exploited

Also, we are not exploiting anything, griefing is a part of the above mentioned sandbox.

I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.

Nothing is being disrupted,

Not the argument im making