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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27 link
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.
/me shudders.
Cleaned.
The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.
Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.
Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Finnroth
The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:20:00 -
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I want to know this aswell.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:52:00 -
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Pretty sure I remember seeing an "Unrated by the ESRB" when I logged in...
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Pretty sure I remember seeing an "Unrated by the ESRB" when I logged in...
The exact words are "online interactions not rated by ESRB." This means interactions between players as opposed to the content that CCP produces. My concern is that, did CCP in order to get the ESRB T for Teen rating agree to remove certain aspects of their game and or cease pursuing those lines? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:26:00 -
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Content CCP creates is rated. Online interactions are not. You may have some E, M or AO rated interaction while playing EVE but the CCP provided aspect will be rated for teens.
Since EVE is T for Teen, I'd imagine any hopes and dreams of running around naked in ambulation are going to have to stay dreams.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:41:00 -
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Damn kids, spoiling it again.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 06:00:00 -
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Pleasure hubs BACK in Gallente stations please.
Next thing you know it'll be the Exotic Dancers, and then the booster drug market. Stop censorship in its tracks. I'm American, it's a problem over here; dont let it become a problem over there. ---
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place1
Orion Ore International
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Posted - 2009.03.12 07:33:00 -
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Stop the censorship of EVE
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Treelox
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.03.12 08:03:00 -
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stupid ccp, this dumbing and younging down of eve needs to stop.
The quafe girl was ok for a 13yr old to see, imo. --
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27 link
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.
/me shudders.
Cleaned.
The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.
Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.
Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?
Originally by: Datsun Achura
sigh.
The link the OP posted was a FAKE quafe girl who was bent over all saucy-like
This is the Quafe girl mitnal had to remove.
Originally by: Eventy One Yes. I posted a link to a fake Quafe girl image. Does anyone have a link to the real Quafe girl image?
Yes, you are making mountains out of a ant hill.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:51:00 -
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While it is nice to attract more customers by lowering your age rating I find it very hard to believe that those in their lower teens will find EVE an enjoyable game and become active subscribers (for long). Rather see a higher age rating and no censorship walking over creative choices.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27 link
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.
/me shudders.
Cleaned.
The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.
Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.
Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?
Originally by: Datsun Achura
sigh.
The link the OP posted was a FAKE quafe girl who was bent over all saucy-like
This is the Quafe girl mitnal had to remove.
Originally by: Eventy One Yes. I posted a link to a fake Quafe girl image. Does anyone have a link to the real Quafe girl image?
Yes, you are making mountains out of a ant hill.
Ah thank you for showing this then Venkul. At the time when I read that thread it appeared as if mintal was refering to the ingame object as I had not seen the image the OP had posted (and I think you would have to admit, the way it was handled would lead one to believe Mintal was refering to the ingame object as opposed to a piece of fan art, The and That really do make a diffrence in a short sentience). I made this particular thread before the clearification so call this all bad timing. *kicks the ant hill* -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:28:00 -
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Stop the self administered censorship please, bring back the Quafe Girl, implement more features that will push the rating up to M at least! ---
Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:22:00 -
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I've sat here keeping an eye out for a few known names to comment... they haven't.
Which says that this thread is a waste of our time.
There are more important things to deal with...
I concur... this is an stupid ant hill... needs to be kicked. Move along.. move along. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.12 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 12/03/2009 18:09:40 This game should definitely strive more toward M-rated content.
Make EVE cool for the hardcore gamer. Look at GTA - it's uber popular.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron This game should definitely strive more toward M-rated content.
Screw the box, and make it AO.
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
croxis
Gallente Firstones
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:35:00 -
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The problem is that some very large retailers (like Walmart, or at least they use to) refuse to stock games with AO ratings. It would bad business decision to make the game AO and possibly lose massive sales over an exotic dancer. ----- David - Proud to be saving the universe since 1984 Wrangler - Saving the drunks by drinking their beer since 1992 [violet]Saving the breweries by sending their produce to Wra |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:53:00 -
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I seriously doubt the idea to make a box for EVE was a good one, since most people that would pick it up will not keep playing for long. _ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Karentaki
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 13/03/2009 18:31:25 Agreed, I'd like to know this too. I'm completely against any irrational censorship (what's wrong with half-naked bodies ffs, it's not like people can't just google 'pron' and get about 0.8 internets worth of nakedness), and to be honest I don't like the idea of CCP changing their game just to get a 'T' sticker that might attract a few more noobs, 99% of whom will quit after the first week and their first encounter with 'evil griefers' (aka other players). The players with the maturity to stick to the game will almost exclusively ignore the 'T' sticker, or lack thereof.
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:33:00 -
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Confirming I'll be scamming and griefing any new players I encounter in order to prevent them from getting permanently scarred by naked women... oh wait.
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Mantiss
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27 link
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.
/me shudders.
You know, I didn't even notice but it's odd if you think about it. Nobody has any qualms about childern playing a game where they get into heavily armed spaceships and go out and attacking and kill each other but god forbid if there is even a nuance of sex.
Cleaned.
The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.
Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.
Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:35:00 -
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Speaking of censorship... what about the ****pit? You know... the place where the pilot sits while flying? --- Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means you're letting the terrorists win. "Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Efferil
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Posted - 2009.03.13 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Efferil on 13/03/2009 20:03:07 geez don't get a Teen Rating, the reason people play this game is because there is a considerably less amount of whiny annoying chavs.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.14 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei I am making a mountain out of an ant hill
He modded a link to a photoshop of the 'premium client quafe girl' that was just a **** star, not the actual quafe girl from the old station environment.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.14 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon Speaking of censorship... what about the ****pit? You know... the place where the pilot sits while flying?
You don't sit in a ****pit in EVE, you're in your capsule, connected to a series of tubes (which probably get clogged sometimes).
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2009.03.14 05:53:00 -
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I thought I was playing a game for grown-ups.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.03.14 08:14:00 -
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I honestly don't know many under 15 year olds, actually for that matter under 18 years old that enjoy this game enough to be offended by content.
Censorship of EVE is stupid at best, CCP is not going to attract teenagers to this game even with walking in stations. The game is an adult game, too slow moving and too complex to attract simpletons. Keep to your fan base CCP keep to the older generation.
Whoever the marketing guy is saying "We need to target the younger audience" fire them for stupidity and move. Keep it 15+ at least.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.14 14:53:00 -
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Considering this is in the game (and got overhauled with Apocrypha, too), this whole issue is just an over inflated blowfish. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.03.16 14:05:00 -
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Out of curiosity - how many of those who are screaming "OMGZ! CENS0RSHIP!!!!elventyone" actually LOOKED at the linked picture? Don't just go "I know the quafe girl, so I don't have to look at the picture." Look at it. Then tell me why you think this is suitable for eve or any game not specifically designed with adult content.
Suggestive poses and text which leaves a lot to the imagination is fine - but this doesn't leave much to the imagination. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 16/03/2009 16:52:24 Actually, the 14-18 age bracket (at least in the US) is one of the most lucrative for any kind of gamin because they have the largest percentage of disposable income - that is, all of it. They don't pay bills, they don't have mortgages, and they don't (hopefully) have kids to feed and clothe. So they're free to spend their money on whatever strikes their fancy, be it EVE, WoW, or iTunes downloads. My 14 year old routinely spends his allowance/birthday/holiday money on cellphone cards and iTunes downloads cards.
From a purely business perspective, it makes perfect sense for CCP to try and get a slice of that. The price of that, of course, is that you have to make the games palatable to mommy and daddy (and to an extent, the retailers). Yes, I am one of those horribly unreasonable parents that won't let her kids play Grand Theft Auto or any of the other blatantly violent/adult games. Halo? Sure. Shoot all the aliens you like dear, just don't get any on my carpet. Hookers? Ah..no. I am quite sure they get enough of that crap at school (sadly enough). --Vel
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:20:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that they needed the game to be rated by the ESRB to get onto shelves in the shops.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Efrim Black
Gallente Apellon
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Out of curiosity - how many of those who are screaming "OMGZ! CENS0RSHIP!!!!elventyone" actually LOOKED at the linked picture? Don't just go "I know the quafe girl, so I don't have to look at the picture." Look at it. Then tell me why you think this is suitable for eve or any game not specifically designed with adult content.
Suggestive poses and text which leaves a lot to the imagination is fine - but this doesn't leave much to the imagination.
This. Although I disagree, I see no problem with adult content in EVE. The average player is 25 or older I believe. Even if seedy bars were implemented with Ambulation, you could still choose to not go into them.
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm pretty sure that they needed the game to be rated by the ESRB to get onto shelves in the shops.
I disagree since everytime you sign on the ESRB says content online differs. It's kind of a big joke really, since theres no Single player content to rate!
ESRB ratings have always been off for MMOs since theres no way to fully regulate the behavoir of humans who have privacy and the freedom to say and do things they normally would not.
While the post that caused this red scare was bogus, and an excellent troll I might add, the issue of Censorship is null here. So stop getting scared people. CCP has shown no signs of making this a kiddy game. Yet.
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kuranta on 18/03/2009 18:04:28 doublepost - I fail at clicking
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:03:00 -
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Dunno if it has been posted before, but this guy thinks EVEs online experience is not good for kids.
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 16/03/2009 16:52:24 Actually, the 14-18 age bracket (at least in the US) is one of the most lucrative for any kind of gamin because they have the largest percentage of disposable income - that is, all of it. They don't pay bills, they don't have mortgages, and they don't (hopefully) have kids to feed and clothe. So they're free to spend their money on whatever strikes their fancy, be it EVE, WoW, or iTunes downloads. My 14 year old routinely spends his allowance/birthday/holiday money on cellphone cards and iTunes downloads cards.
There's REALLY people in US that actually CHECK that kind of stuff before purchasing a game? O.o We have PEGI ratings in EU, but no one I ever heard of would decide if a game is worth its money by age ratings... kids that want to play GTA4 will buy GTA4 regardless of what's written on the box...
And BTW... Eve is totally NOT a teen-friendly environment... the best way to have parents associations beating the crap out of CCP on the media is having low age requirements (other way kids will buy the game regardless if they want to, and parents won't be able to complain)...
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Hooded Person
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Posted - 2009.03.19 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden And BTW... Eve is totally NOT a teen-friendly environment... the best way to have parents associations beating the crap out of CCP on the media is having low age requirements (other way kids will buy the game regardless if they want to, and parents won't be able to complain)...
QFT. Your average 15 year old will neither have the maturity nor intelligence to cope with the game, and will more than likely end up just spreading rumours about how terrible EVE is after he loses his first ship to pirates. The solution isn't to make EVE safer or change the game in any way, but it is simply to accept that EVE's target audience is primarily the 18+ bracket. If the game is marketed as having adult content, then the people who buy it will be prepared for a cold harsh world with occasional 'nudity' (BTW, skin =/= nudity) rather than expecting another WOW-clone with more grind than skill.
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