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Blindscythe
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:53:00 -
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If new players do not have the patience and the common sense to either scan the forums to understand the issues at hand, or just the understanding that pretty much any patch has issues, then they won't last 2 weeks.
My MMO career started with WoW (gasp!) and that had pretty horrific problems too when I tried to get an account setup and logged in etc.
So many variables, so little time.
End of the day, if you find that not logging in a day or so after patch is a huge problem, good luck carrying on when you lose your first Battleship! ;) |
Father Xai
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Master Hu
We just want to play and not have every system shut down due to having more than 200 players in a hub.
Deleted the waste of cyberspace, and kept the only thing valid. Fixed.
I agree here. In fact I would not be suprised if this limit is counter productive, it at the very least is causing spam. 400 is a better number. |
lwater
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:15:00 -
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Support luxurious speed
than exlusive "pictures"- lag. |
Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Doc Fury
I'd be perfectly happy with one "expansion" per year.
...I would have been perfectly fine with wormholes (filled with good NewEden goodies) without the whole tech3 stuff for example. Sleepers could have been discovered later in wormholes anyway and with them the whole tech3 stuff. Just as an example
good idea |
Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jaina Proudmoar on 13/03/2009 01:36:05
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Master Hu Come on, no more expansions, features, walking on ****ing planets, walking in ****ing stations, T4 Ibis's, nothing. Just fix this **** and get it right.
We just want to play and not have every system shut down due to having more than 200 players in a hub.
This is pathetic.
Wow op, your the opposite of progress, go sit in a corner somewhere, noone cares wat u think.
Honestly, people like you should **** off and die. Not in a mean forum troll way - you just don't deserve to reproduce.
This is the issue - big patches are fine and *progress* is good.
However, change *is not* progress.
Progress is directed change for the better.
Not being able to log into the game bcause you logged off in a busy system is *not* progress.
If CCP had said "We are deploying a big expansion, this week will involve lots of downtime as needed, we have credited accounts with 1 week of play, please help us iron out the bugs.", *nobody* would have issues.
The problem is that it was hyped as an "epic" expansion and ****loads of newbies are buying the boxed game and are getting a crap impression of the game.
As WAR and AoC so obviously showed - impressions matter.
99% of the players wouldn't give a flying **** if the expansion took a WEEK to deploy.
What we want is honesty, transparency and competance.
Honesty - admitting you ****ed up and need time to sort it rather than continuing as usual (CCP have done this). Transparency - exposing exactly what was the issue and how it was fixed (again - this tends to be the case). Competance - fix the damn problem asap, I can live with lots of downtime if it helps, really. Credit our accounts with a bit of extra playtime, apologies to the poor sods who bought the boxset and take the server down as much as you need to fix it.
As long as the playerbase know what you are doing and why, you can get away with a lot.
[Flame away.] |
Dirghas
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:28:00 -
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Perfect response. IT sucks and doing IT sucks, know it myself. But transparency is key to everything. If it's broken, tell people, it is better to screw up and apologise than to screw up and try to hide it as if nothing happened.
That thing about customer recompense is an excellent idea, not just from a gamers point of view but from customer support and marketing perspective.
1. Tell us what's wrong. 2. Tell cursory eta's and remediation. 3. Tell what will happen if it's not met.
Everyone is a customer.
(and just cause i've seen it before, breath people, its a game, not your failing mortgage...) |
ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:29:00 -
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patch time is fun time profit to be made |
Sudja
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:42:00 -
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Guys they are doing an OPTIMAL work! Try to think, these problems are congestion one.. how they can figure it on a test server? They will never reach enough player to reproduce the problem there. Simply when they tested it they didn't triggered the bug, because it needs a lot of people to be triggered. It's normal, you can't imagine how they are doing a good work if you never ever had a "big" server to run and code for it. |
Corey Hart
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:46:00 -
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Right on OP! I JUST CAN'T STAND NEW CONTENT! >_< |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:46:00 -
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Pfeh. It's been two days since the patch.
I'll be working fine again by this time next week and you'll feel silly for whining.
TQ is a massively complicated database. Any change they make to the game (including "fixes") can behave unpredictably when scaled up. Welcome to MMOs. |
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Jack Light
legion syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:47:00 -
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Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble |
Cor'len
The Silence of Thunder
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:49:00 -
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OP: No.
I've played EVE since Exodus, and every patch there's been forum drama. As an example to CCP, perhaps we should try to strive to NOT whine our asses off for once.
*snapping and clawing and howling*
Yeah, I didn't have much hope of that either.
( @ Exodus: "Find comets!". Still not in four years later.) |
Removal Tool
Eternal Perseverance
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:52:00 -
[103]
Just take a week off and let the game settle down.
Now who is this woman on my couch that claims to be my wife
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AZN Steve
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:01:00 -
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well , I can handle some server unstability after a patch ... what I can't handle is releasing new content before fixing the old one and going all out on marketing to get more clients while the server/game has problems with the amount of current clients .
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:04:00 -
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Is everyone honestly so addicted to EVE that they go into raging withdrawl's when the servers go down for a few hours?
It's not like the game has been dead for days. I've had other games go down that long.
Yes, it's frustrating, but honestly I have other games I can play. And I'll go, yknow, play them. If you can't do anything but curl up and cry when EVE goes down, re-evaluate your lives.
I, for on, would like to continue seeing new content. No game is without bugs, because it's impossible to account for every situation. Especially with masses of new content.
Take Quantum Rise for example. Very disappointing expansion; it introduced plenty of upgrades, but the only 'content' was the Orca. It was like a big patch, not an expansion. Games are meant to be fun and exciting; you could spend years upgrading the game to run faster, only, with no content.. and it'd likely not progress much better than it does now, since different people work on different parts.
Good luck using a writer or concept artist to add new code to the system.
tl;dr: Play another game for a few hours. Go outside. Do something else. EVE is a great game, but it isn't supposed to be a substitute for your entire life. A few hours of downtime is not the gravest injustice in human history. I've been through lots of downtimes. I promise, you'll live. You might get tearstains all over your keyboard from the thought of not mining veldspar for a few hours, but I'm sure we can help you deal with the grief. |
laur4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jasper Dark I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!
Seriously, every expansion has problems when released, in a week or 2 it will all be stable so chill out!
My favorite !! "I'm likin Boss... I'm lickin it....."
LMAO .... |
Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Master Hu Come on, no more expansions, features, walking on ****ing planets, walking in ****ing stations, T4 Ibis's, nothing. Just fix this **** and get it right.
We just want to play and not have every system shut down due to having more than 200 players in a hub.
This is pathetic.
Your an idiot plain and simple. Your opinion contains no logical basis or reason. so go craw back into that macro miner hole and stay off the forums until you learn a little more about EVE. mk?
-geek |
Booshk
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Posted - 2009.03.13 03:11:00 -
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I agree and disagree.
I believe we should have one expansion be completely an upgrade/fix expansion. Maybe once every 2 years. But that may not even be needed. CCP always provides plenty of fix's with the new content.
And also to the OP you may be happy with the current content but most players look forward to the new shiny things, I know I can't wait for ambulation. So maybe you should consider what all players want before you speak for all of us you git. |
Lerner
Caldari Purifying Flame - Phoenix Reborn Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.03.13 05:27:00 -
[109]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:15:00 -
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Well in all the mmorpg's i have played patch day = server instability for a while.
Mmorpgs go stale if they dont try to add some new content. I'm not a big fan of this expansion (outside of the skillque), but i think it will be a good addition in a while when its fixed. |
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:41:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Yet more hate
It has been 3 days since the patch went live, have some patience for gods sake. Every single MMO out there gets problems in the first week after a large patch. I couldnt log into SWG for 4 days after one of their small bug fixes. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Yet more hate
It has been 3 days since the patch went live, have some patience for gods sake. Every single MMO out there gets problems in the first week after a large patch. I couldnt log into SWG for 4 days after one of their small bug fixes.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:05:00 -
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Oh Whine. WHINE.
Heaven forbid you actually go and do something else whilst CCP iron out the typical post-expansion bugs.
Jeez, I've only been playing a year and I know that expansions cause issues. Yet you whiny asshats still log on expecting everything to be in optimal shape, realise it isn't, and come on here atop your pillar-mounted soapbox with your "we the people" attitude.
Its ridiculous, and substantially immature.
The things you people complain about suggest you'd rather be playing a single-player game. So how about you go dust off your BBC-B, Stick in a copy of Elite and open an EVE IRC Channel on your PC.
There, thats pretty much exactly what you idiots want EVE to be.
Enjoy.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 13/03/2009 09:21:40 *Does some ratting in Curse*
I'm not having any problems with Mr CCP's update here, guys. Go do something else on your EVE accounts whilst you wait for CCP to fix the lag issues.
That said, I have to tell the ticked off guy who can't install - I was there until yesterday. Find another internet connection to download off, transfer the file to your PC by flash drive/DVD. If that doesn't work, it is your borked computer, not CCP's fault.
Oh, and for "Flawless major patch" - Lord of the Rings Online do it all the time. ________________________________________________
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 13/03/2009 09:28:29 Well, some things can be forgiven as they take large numbers (which only happen on TQ) to show up. But there's a LOT of things that are just amazingly stupid to make it through beta without being solved. Silly stupid things like the map being totally whack if you try to point at a single system, scanning window not sorting properly and not showing cans. There's dozens of those stupid little problems which just shouldn't exist, as they have nothing to do with scaling up from Sisi to TQ.
You could say they're minor problems but that's not the point, the fact is that CCP still works in their odd/niche/amateuristic ways when it comes to quality control etc. While that doesn't cause problems with players who are here for being niche and thus accept the little quirks (me included) I DO think that as CCP wants to be seen as more mainstream these days, has many more devs/hours to invest they're running out of excuses to make crap like this happen.
If you want to be a big player on the market with your boxed version, big publisher and more mainstream gameplay you better be able to back it up with a non amateuristic/niche approach to quality control. If only because the new players you attract are used to smooth gameplay, patches etc as done in WOW and LOTRO and the like.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:28:00 -
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I have to ask this - remember the horrific bugs after QR came out? With the graphic bugs? And everybody's saying this release is worse than keeping QR?
CCP release new content, then patch that content up. This is what they do - this is why they tell us to put in long skills (<3 Engineering 5) and expect bumps in the road. QR was buggy, Trinity was buggy. They were patched up within 2 weeks. ________________________________________________
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 13/03/2009 09:30:15
Originally by: Doctor Penguin I have to ask this - remember the horrific bugs after QR came out? With the graphic bugs? And everybody's saying this release is worse than keeping QR?
CCP release new content, then patch that content up. This is what they do - this is why they tell us to put in long skills (<3 Engineering 5) and expect bumps in the road. QR was buggy, Trinity was buggy. They were patched up within 2 weeks.
Lag/player number issues I can forgive (to a point), but if most (minor) quirks get fixed within a few weeks, why can't they do that before they go live. Other companies do it, why can't/won't CCP?
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.13 09:33:00 -
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I guess a server with 50k users doesnt behave like one with 1k. So some things are only issues on the live server.
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Sudja
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sudja on 13/03/2009 10:52:34 Edited by: Sudja on 13/03/2009 10:51:57 Also remember that exist priorities. Even if there's a lot of small fixes that can be done (and i would say, just because they are small), they have not high priority. Everywhere you go first thing is to do marketing and big patches, big fixes etc to make the server live. If you fix small things you don't make the server live longer.
Then remember that maybe most of these bugs don't occure everytime, but only in a particular case that can be triggered only on the big server.
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45thtiger 0109
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Master Hu Come on, no more expansions, features, walking on ****ing planets, walking in ****ing stations, T4 Ibis's, nothing. Just fix this **** and get it right.
We just want to play and not have every system shut down due to having more than 200 players in a hub.
This is pathetic.
As CCP is a game developer they asked people to help them test the expansion out on sisi.
They only got around 1000 people on the test server, but CCP asked for more people to help them test the expansion but as always no one cares.
Well its time for people to help and assist CCP on the test server so they can iron out all the bugs and faults before the expansion goes live.
You people can only blame yourselves except for the ones, who did assist, not assisting and helping CCP to rectify the problems with the expansion.
As a player for approx 2 years and 4 months I have found workarounds with this game. If there are any problems you need to find a workaround and enjoy the game, until CCP have everything running to full capacity.
So please stop wining and stop criticizing CCP that they done something wrong because we are to lazy to help them when needed, except the people who did on sisi.
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