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Su Yildiz
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:29:00 -
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Why did you drop the prices of the new probes just 4 days after patch? One hour after patch the new standard probes cost 150k pr unit, about 4 hours later they cost 60k pr unit - WHY?
Now I didn't expect the prices to stay at 150k pr unit for long, but after only four days the prices are down to where they were before patch.
Yesterday the price dropped from around 40k to about 30k during the day. Even though the DEMAND on the market was insane compared to pre-patch. Now, undercutting each-other is a part of the game on the market, but cutting down 5000-10000 ISK in one jump is just stupid. Why do you people DO that? You ruin the market for everybody else! Don't give me any excuses about prices being "fixed" and whatnot, when something is in demand you DO NOT LOWER THE PRICES by a factor of 50% !
All of you people who kill the market to be "good-guys" can just go to the nearest airlock and jump.
So from 150k to 23k in 4 days, I will just say... yaaaay *cheer* great work n00bs
I expect a lot of people will go through the usual internet-meme's and flaming, and to all of you people I would suggest you go somewhere else and find something else to do. Anybody flaming or not contributing constructive arguments in this thread is a bunch of loosers :)
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Wee Trade
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:39:00 -
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someone just got owned
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Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:40:00 -
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Xi Xing
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:44:00 -
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Sounds to me like others are trying to make many, quick sales for low margins - whereas you'd rather sell fewer but with a large margin.
Remember you can buy all the probes at 30k and re-list them at 100k if you are sure that's their proper value.
It seems to me that the ability to recall probes means the demand for them will not be as high as you might expect. I've yet to 'use up' a single probe from the stock I bought on patch day. They're not like ammo.
Hope that's constructive?
Here's the unconstructive bit: Eve market is pvp and you just lost
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BeBop Lula
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:56:00 -
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With the new system you have a max need for 8-10 probes per ship unless you are foolish or lose the ship.
Since all varieties of probes switched to one probe, there are 1000 of probes in peoples inventories. Price is based on Demand and supply and supply will totally out way demand so price needs to drop.
be pleased you got 150k for those first probes.
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Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xi Xing It seems to me that the ability to recall probes means the demand for them will not be as high as you might expect. I've yet to 'use up' a single probe from the stock I bought on patch day.
This...
Post patch I have 250+ probes sitting in my hanger, I imagine it will take me a long time to use them up...
--------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=- |
Mia Morningstar
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:03:00 -
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1 core probe is ~1700 isk worth of minerals. enjoy while it last.
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:13:00 -
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People don't undercut 24/7. When they go to bed/work, they undercut by a large margin, still hoping to sell something.
Also, some just like to tease people like the OP :)
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Su Yildiz Why did you drop the prices of the new probes just 4 days after patch? One hour after patch the new standard probes cost 150k pr unit, about 4 hours later they cost 60k pr unit - WHY?
Now I didn't expect the prices to stay at 150k pr unit for long, but after only four days the prices are down to where they were before patch.
Yesterday the price dropped from around 40k to about 30k during the day. Even though the DEMAND on the market was insane compared to pre-patch. Now, undercutting each-other is a part of the game on the market, but cutting down 5000-10000 ISK in one jump is just stupid. Why do you people DO that? You ruin the market for everybody else! Don't give me any excuses about prices being "fixed" and whatnot, when something is in demand you DO NOT LOWER THE PRICES by a factor of 50% !
All of you people who kill the market to be "good-guys" can just go to the nearest airlock and jump.
So from 150k to 23k in 4 days, I will just say... yaaaay *cheer* great work n00bs
I expect a lot of people will go through the usual internet-meme's and flaming, and to all of you people I would suggest you go somewhere else and find something else to do. Anybody flaming or not contributing constructive arguments in this thread is a bunch of loosers :)
Your stuff, can I have it?
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:47:00 -
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5/10
But just for the smug smile it gave me.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Linda Tradition
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:51:00 -
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this is a problem everywhere at everytime.
but well, i hold back with update speculation in endproducts cause everybody does. and when everybody think he'd be the big player, buying 10k probes to sell them 500% after update it should be clear, that there are so many greenhorn trying to get the fast profit too, dont understanding what they are doing. dont see that there are other guys on the market who can cut them etc.
probes have what a produce time? 15min? high risk trading...
but yeah your right, there are a lot of people out there ruining price-differences quiet hard. always funny to see 1000 pieces sell orders t2 stuff as lowest region price, brought with -20% onto the market. i dont know what it is behind this kind of manipulation, but perhabs somebody can explain this behavoir.
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Jalum Krayal
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:02:00 -
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Too bad you can't get Killmails for the amount of ISK damage you do to someone's wallet.
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Mahke
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer I People don't undercut 24/7. When they go to bed/work, they undercut by a large margin, still hoping to sell something.
Also, some just like to tease people like the OP :)
that and this: "Sounds to me like others are trying to make many, quick sales for low margins - whereas you'd rather sell fewer but with a large margin."
I wasn't in your market, but, dislike .01 games, like annoying the people who play them, like my stuff selling overnight/overday, go for volume over margins (compared to item norm), and don't have any one particular thing I buy and sell so if I break a market to make some quick isk, no big deal for me.
Also your tears are delicious etc. etc.
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:22:00 -
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Corp mate of mine was left holding the bag of about 200,000 core probes, Local region had none on the market after DT (Duh) he listed 100,000 of them for 50,000 each, someone purchased them ALL and re-listed for 90,000 yeah, he just re-listed for 50,249 (the price + 0.01 less off sales tax.
Within 5 minutes 1 of the re-listed probes was purchased and a rather nasty mail came to his In-box. No one competed with him for a day or two, but now he has about 12,000 left selling for 5K.
I think 5K will be the magic number for these as people buy them up in groups of 20-50 for whatever reason. Considering you can recover them it's kinda pointless make these a business.
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kralz
Gallente Draconic Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:10:00 -
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it was me who dropped price by 50% and joy of free market and guess what
Bite me :)..... feel free to buy em all
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Madcat Adams
Amarr Romulan Technologies Limited
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:35:00 -
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Meh, that's Eve. Saw the same thing happen with probe launchers. For that matter, every new thing that's ever come out. If you want quick money, hit it running from patch start. Then be prepared for your final stock of whatever to sell for ludriciusly low prices. Just another day of market fighting in the Eve universe.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:40:00 -
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So I did exploration before, I had 1,000 of each type and of each range. Now I have a **** load of the same probes. So why not try and dump them on the market.
If you don't like it, buy one and then get name, then war dec them.
Originally by: CCP Whisper Local chat in known 0.0, low sec and empire space will remain as it is today, in all it's insta-intel giving, afk cloaker panic inducing, jita trade spamming glory.
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Maestro Del'Tirith
Del'Tirith Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.13 21:12:00 -
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Gave me a chuckle, two thumbs up.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.03.13 22:58:00 -
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While it was short lived I managed to sell well over 10,000 probes in the first 2 days from between 100k and 50k a probe. Was quite nice
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Dragonz Fire
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.13 23:09:00 -
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It's not ruining the market moron. It's helping the market.
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Loney
CyberDyne R-D
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Posted - 2009.03.13 23:51:00 -
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Perhaps you... Originally by: Su Yildiz ...can just go to the nearest airlock and jump!
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Check us out Now!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.14 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/03/2009 03:15:25
Gee, I don't know, maybe the fact you can easily build around 1k probes a day on a single slot from a single blueprint, and that at negligible build costs, the 60k per probe is nearly all profit, so you're making nearly 60 mil ISK/day per manufacture line PROFIT. Hmm, I wonder why ANYBODY would want to unload theirs first, hmm...
I fully expect the price to drop to around 10k per probe or even lower in another couple of days, then settle somewhere UNDER 5k per probe, probably even as low as 3k. _ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2009.03.14 07:34:00 -
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why undercut by a large margin? because the competition needs to feel pain when undercutting you.
taking away the motivation of the competitors is important.
in my dealings my own profit making has the same priority as denying profit to the competitors
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Nick Turing
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Posted - 2009.03.14 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Su Yildiz Why did you drop the prices of the new probes just 4 days after patch? One hour after patch the new standard probes cost 150k pr unit, about 4 hours later they cost 60k pr unit - WHY?
Now I didn't expect the prices to stay at 150k pr unit for long, but after only four days the prices are down to where they were before patch.
Yesterday the price dropped from around 40k to about 30k during the day. Even though the DEMAND on the market was insane compared to pre-patch. Now, undercutting each-other is a part of the game on the market, but cutting down 5000-10000 ISK in one jump is just stupid. Why do you people DO that? You ruin the market for everybody else! Don't give me any excuses about prices being "fixed" and whatnot, when something is in demand you DO NOT LOWER THE PRICES by a factor of 50% !
All of you people who kill the market to be "good-guys" can just go to the nearest airlock and jump.
So from 150k to 23k in 4 days, I will just say... yaaaay *cheer* great work n00bs
I expect a lot of people will go through the usual internet-meme's and flaming, and to all of you people I would suggest you go somewhere else and find something else to do. Anybody flaming or not contributing constructive arguments in this thread is a bunch of loosers :)
How dare people interfere with your god-given right to price-gouge! Those bastards!
Seriously, it's a free market; people can set whatever price they think they can make a profit at. If you can't deal with it, go somewhere else - and take your whining with you.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.14 19:50:00 -
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It's a dead horse, but consider this. I have nearly 60 production pipelines available to me. When something as obscenely profitable as probes and launchers comes along I make as much as I can as quickly as I can, crashing the market
IN HOPES THAT YOU BUY ME OUT
and are left with a large inventory when the music stops. Because I can always make more. Lots more. Lots and lots and lots more. Patch day I had untrained market alts cranking launchers out from unresearched prints to sell to speculators at obscene prices. It was great while it lasted.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.03.15 00:50:00 -
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I've just finished updating my orders, and have often done exactly what annoys you sooo much.
I've been trading for almost 4 years now, and I only want to look at trade windows a couple of times a month for a few minutes at a time these days. I want to (at least) cover my game losses and plex card though, so that means I am setting my prices based on what, in my experience/opinion, the market will bear, in order to have all my orders just about filled when I check back in a week or two. If I think something is overpriced, there is no point in me pricing relative to other orders, as I will find myself with a totally unsold sell order, and a load of overpriced **** in my hanger. If I think something is underpriced, I will also put up sell orders way higher than you.
Consider this a free lesson from one of those idiot n00bs ;)
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Remus Kurgan
Caldari Void Engineers
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Posted - 2009.03.15 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Su Yildiz
I expect a lot of people will go through the usual internet-meme's and flaming, and to all of you people I would suggest you go somewhere else and find something else to do. Anybody flaming or not contributing constructive arguments in this thread is a bunch of loosers :)
hyperbole?
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Challis
Caldari Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.03.15 11:47:00 -
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These things happen a lot. basically you have the ppl who are dedicated to trading at a certain hub, they know whats going on. then come the ppl who only sell a few things just once, and they set a stupid low price to sell it fast. problem is, it doesnt sell fast enough, and another stupid onetime trader sets up a bigger amount at that same stupid low price. And then a bunch of lemmings follow the low price and start undercutting there.
this offcours sucks for the local dedicated traders, and by the time you can some complain about it on the forums the idiots who started all this are long gone to jita or somewhere else :p
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2009.03.15 18:29:00 -
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High margins invite competition, especially on things that have a high amount sold /day. So basically these (new?) people undercutting you is punishment for your being so greedy.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.15 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Challis
then come the ppl who only sell a few things just once, and they set a stupid low price to sell it fast.
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this offcours sucks for the local dedicated traders
I can *taste* how stupid that statement is. If the manufacturer in question is dumping at an unreasonably low price
BUY THEM OUT
and make huge profits! If you don't then clearly you believe their pricing was fair and you were simply enjoying unrealistic margins due to lack of competition before.
I've got 9 manu-alts to feed raw materials, I don't have time to play .01 ISK footsie at some backwater trade hub. Buy my stuff cheap, resell it and make a killing. That's why I price it so cheap in the first place!
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