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DR Finisher
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:14:00 -
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Posting while looking at another account stats to keep it straight..
Flying a Raven: 64m skill points 8,545,529 in Missile launcher operation:
Using devastator cruise missiles and T2 launchers, it took 2 full volleys to pod a corpie back home. Please give me a setup using my primary weapons intended for this ship that I can at least kill a pod in 1 volley!
this has gotten more than a little but ridiculous. First torps now cruise. Pretty soon we will have to put rockets on our ravens! evil:]
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/03/2009 04:34:30 And whats so special about that? Tiny sig needs tiny missile, just like tiny sig needs tiny turret.
Too bad 8.5mill SP in missile skills dont include these insights.
Edit: heavy missiles should one-volley a pod I guess, but who cares anyway.
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:37:00 -
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IM guessing precision t2 missiles, maybe officer stuff? lol.
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: DR Finisher
this has gotten more than a little but ridiculous. First torps now cruise. Pretty soon we will have to put rockets on our ravens! evil:]
Your 100% right! you should get ahead of the gang, start fitting them now!
that way, when rocket ravens become the new FOTM (dont forget the damps) you can tell everyone how to fly them!
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DR Finisher
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Posted - 2009.03.16 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan And whats so special about that? Tiny sig needs tiny missile, just like tiny sig needs tiny turret.
Any other BS in game can kill it with a couple of shots even with misses.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:11:00 -
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Dual Target painters might be able to do it. |
Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:29:00 -
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Full rack of smartbombs. Problem solved.
(Seriously, though, why is this an issue? Weapon systems are different. Maybe this is a limitation of missiles that you should work with rather than complaining about.)
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 05:58:00 -
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Warrior II *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Baudolino
Gallente Royal Crimson Lancers
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Posted - 2009.03.16 10:10:00 -
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Fit 1x EM smartbomb and 1x Explosive smartbomb - get faction versions.. That way you might even get the pods even if they log off before the ship dies..
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.16 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 16/03/2009 10:26:54
Originally by: DR Finisher to pod a corpie back home.
I'm not buying that for a second. Put in space whales!
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.16 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/03/2009 04:34:30 And whats so special about that? Tiny sig needs tiny missile, just like tiny sig needs tiny turret.
Lies . My rokh had no problem killing 3 pods with 3 volleys easily.
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Viscount Hood
Caldari Navy Runners
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Posted - 2009.03.16 11:21:00 -
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Pod Killing Raven: 4 x 1400mm Howitzers II. 2 x damage mods
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.03.16 11:33:00 -
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Cruise missiles are poor right now.
They do not compare to other long range guns for what they do. Low dps, more affected by speed and sig rad and of course travell time when "sniping". So really cruises got no good role in PvP.
Trops suffer for some of the same issues, but trops are still pretty viable and deal good damge up close.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan Cruise missiles are poor right now.
They do not compare to other long range guns for what they do. Low dps, more affected by speed and sig rad and of course travell time when "sniping". So really cruises got no good role in PvP.
Trops suffer for some of the same issues, but trops are still pretty viable and deal good damge up close.
dont have EFT right now but I bet cruise will outdamage most guns at 170km. still takes time to get there of course. Put in space whales!
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Spartan dax
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:03:00 -
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If you want a podchaser go for a hawk. Pretty much the only thing it's good for but it'll one volley pods quite easily.
Poor poor Hawk..... It deserves better.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
Originally by: Lindsay Logan Cruise missiles are poor right now.
They do not compare to other long range guns for what they do. Low dps, more affected by speed and sig rad and of course travell time when "sniping". So really cruises got no good role in PvP.
Trops suffer for some of the same issues, but trops are still pretty viable and deal good damge up close.
dont have EFT right now but I bet cruise will outdamage most guns at 170km. still takes time to get there of course.
How is 0 DPS better than some dps ?
In small gang warfare the target will have warped long before he is close to dying when facing a cruiseboat. In fleets the missiles will be sailing towards an enemy that already died to massed volleys of sniperfire from the turret battleships. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
In small gang warfare the target will have warped long before he is close to dying when facing a cruiseboat. In fleets the missiles will be sailing towards an enemy that already died to massed volleys of sniperfire from the turret battleships.
in my books its not standard small gang warfare if you got sniper battleships 170km away..
2nd point is why missile tossers fire on secondary target not primary in long range fights. Put in space whales!
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.16 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
Originally by: Hyveres
In small gang warfare the target will have warped long before he is close to dying when facing a cruiseboat. In fleets the missiles will be sailing towards an enemy that already died to massed volleys of sniperfire from the turret battleships.
in my books its not standard small gang warfare if you got sniper battleships 170km away..
2nd point is why missile tossers fire on secondary target not primary in long range fights.
And at significant ranges they will still deal minimal dps since the secondary is dropping while most of their salvoes are still on the way.
There is a reason why you see mostly turretbased battleships in fleetfights. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:11:00 -
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You bring a raven into a fleet fight for the secondary EWAR. 4x damps/TDs can cause a problem or ttwo for the other side. |
Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: DR Finisher
Originally by: Omara Otawan And whats so special about that? Tiny sig needs tiny missile, just like tiny sig needs tiny turret.
Any other BS in game can kill it with a couple of shots even with misses.
Turret BS, presumably (Scorpion would struggle too... )
This just comes down to the difference between guns and missiles as weapons systems. You've effectively found the situation with the most disparity between the gunnery damage reduction system (tracking) and the missile damage reduction system (speed and sig). A tiny target that is stationary (or near-station), will generate zero (or very low) angular velocity, so turrets won't have much trouble hitting it. On the other hand, missiles will take the constant damage reduction from the signature alone.
This is just how missiles work, and being a Raven pilot I would have expected you to realise this. Besides, I'm curious as to why you need to one-volley a pod; if you get a lock on it then it won't be warping anyway if you're fitting a point, and if you get a lock on it without a point you can guarantee that the tacklers in your gang will have been able to point it as well. If you fire a salvo of missiles at it you'll get on the killmail, so unless this is ultimate killmail whoring over damage dealt on podkills... I can't see there being much of an issue. Especially if you're "just podding corpmates" - surely they can wait for one extra volley?
Anyway, if you really wanted to pop pods then I'm pretty sure this could do it:
Highs: Cruise launchers, navy/precision ammo Mids: Target painters Lows: Damage mods Rigs: Rigor
Is this a normal fit? No. The Raven, as you've discovered, can't one-volley pods in a standard PvP setup. Is this game-breaking? No, IMO. Is this even relevant to balance in the slightest? Again, no.
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ChalSto
LOCKDOWN. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: DR Finisher
this has gotten more than a little but ridiculous. First torps now cruise. Pretty soon we will have to put rockets on our ravens! evil:]
Your 100% right! you should get ahead of the gang, start fitting them now!
that way, when rocket ravens become the new FOTM (dont forget the damps) you can tell everyone how to fly them!
I¦ve spite coke all over my notebook after I read that
Than I became pretty sad, ¦couse u might be right... Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens." |
Omar Khayyam
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:33:00 -
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i prefer using 2 tech2 small laser turrets for point defense. they are quite usefull against small targets like interceptors and other stuff like pod cruisers used to be a great power when i started this game :) |
Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:56:00 -
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I'm guessing not using missles that are 20 times the pod in size would help.
even a crow can instapop a pod ...
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: DR Finisher
Originally by: Omara Otawan And whats so special about that? Tiny sig needs tiny missile, just like tiny sig needs tiny turret.
Any other BS in game can kill it with a couple of shots even with misses.
Turret BS, presumably (Scorpion would struggle too... )
This just comes down to the difference between guns and missiles as weapons systems. You've effectively found the situation with the most disparity between the gunnery damage reduction system (tracking) and the missile damage reduction system (speed and sig). A tiny target that is stationary (or near-station), will generate zero (or very low) angular velocity, so turrets won't have much trouble hitting it. On the other hand, missiles will take the constant damage reduction from the signature alone.
This is just how missiles work, and being a Raven pilot I would have expected you to realise this. Besides, I'm curious as to why you need to one-volley a pod; if you get a lock on it then it won't be warping anyway if you're fitting a point, and if you get a lock on it without a point you can guarantee that the tacklers in your gang will have been able to point it as well. If you fire a salvo of missiles at it you'll get on the killmail, so unless this is ultimate killmail whoring over damage dealt on podkills... I can't see there being much of an issue. Especially if you're "just podding corpmates" - surely they can wait for one extra volley?
Anyway, if you really wanted to pop pods then I'm pretty sure this could do it:
Highs: Cruise launchers, navy/precision ammo Mids: Target painters Lows: Damage mods Rigs: Rigor
Is this a normal fit? No. The Raven, as you've discovered, can't one-volley pods in a standard PvP setup. Is this game-breaking? No, IMO. Is this even relevant to balance in the slightest? Again, no.
So instead of arguing that there are other situations where the raven is better than a turret sniper bs you argue that why we want to shoot pods? Maybe the friendly tacklers already doing their jobs and pointing the enemy ships and these pods are just sitting in the bubble somewhere.And if you can kill it why not do it?
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Eternum Praetorian
Path Of The Cursed
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:30:00 -
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Beyond the obvious issue of sig radius (Cruise VS Pod)
How do you plan on targeting the pod fast enough in a battleship to get a point on it?
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Shevar
Minmatar Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: DR Finisher Posting while looking at another account stats to keep it straight..
Flying a Raven: 64m skill points 8,545,529 in Missile launcher operation:
Using devastator cruise missiles and T2 launchers, it took 2 full volleys to pod a corpie back home. Please give me a setup using my primary weapons intended for this ship that I can at least kill a pod in 1 volley!
this has gotten more than a little but ridiculous. First torps now cruise. Pretty soon we will have to put rockets on our ravens! evil:]
6 heavy missile launchers or assault launchers with 3 TP's? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Gambit Stryder
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:17:00 -
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MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
[Raven, LOL I POD U] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Signal Amplifier II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Target Painter II Target Painter II Gotan's Modified Warp Disruptor
Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Flameburst Precision Light Missile Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb
Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller II Targeting System Subcontroller II
5x templar, an amarrian fighter used by carriers
Wait, the OP is serious? Use drones, broski.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 16/03/2009 10:26:54
Originally by: DR Finisher to pod a corpie back home.
I'm not buying that for a second.
Well i guess he doesnt need your carebear money anyways.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.03.16 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 16/03/2009 19:25:57 Get ur pheonix out ,30 tp's and citadel torps
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