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Katy'Ann
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:17:00 -
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As the title says, apparently you can view the mass that a wormhole will sustain until it collapses by viewing the Eve data dump.
Will this be fixed just like the bacon program? External eve sources should not be used as a tool in game by the few who do it. The whole point of wormhole is the risk factor that you could be trapped. Opinions?
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Grez
Minmatar Core Contingency Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:54:00 -
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I actually think there should be a rough display of how much the wormhole 'might' support. Add deviation to the result, etc, since we love deviation oh-so-much! Hell, you could even link a skill to make it more accurate. --- Have a rawr on me. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:56:00 -
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Wormhole analysis skill and deployable equipment would be really nice.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:30:00 -
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Some equipment to collapse a wormhole on purpose, that'd be sweet.
Could make ransoming people in there so much more effective :P
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Some equipment to collapse a wormhole on purpose, that'd be sweet.
Could make ransoming people in there so much more effective :P
There is that module. It is called 1600 mm plate.
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Rivqua
Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Katy'Ann As the title says, apparently you can view the mass that a wormhole will sustain until it collapses by viewing the Eve data dump.
Will this be fixed just like the bacon program? External eve sources should not be used as a tool in game by the few who do it. The whole point of wormhole is the risk factor that you could be trapped. Opinions?
The data has already been picked up. The difference between bacon and this is that bacon had live dynamic data. The data that was harvested from the client was only type of the systems/max wh mass, you still don't know the dynamic data, ie, how much is "left" in the wh. _________________ - Rivqua - --- R.E.P.O. --- |
puckohontas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:26:00 -
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how do you see the dunp thing then? im interested to know how big ships the wh lets trough
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Azuse
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Azuse on 19/03/2009 11:20:42 The data dump is basically all the wh data since the dump is all the eve data. True, it has some uses such as the mass and the time frame a wh is open for (not that that matters since no one is there to see one open ), but the other stuff people can work out in less than a minute from jumping in. By that i mean the penaltys of certain systems which the fitting screen and some intelligence will give you.
As someone already said though, this is static data from eve, not the live data bacon used and got fixed. -------------------------
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:42:00 -
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Just for clarification:
This information is not in the official CCP datadump. This is reverse engineered data, CCP does not endorse this information in any way and you use it at your own risk.
Whether or not we will take steps to prevent this from happening in the future is undecided and the resources spent will have to be weighted against the net gain for the customer. This isn't dynamic data, as someone mentioned, so it's usability is as questionable as its accuracy. However, this is obviously causing some confusion so I'll put some dead time into thinking up reasonable ways to prevent future misunderstandings of this kind. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008. |
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:15:00 -
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Prism, this has always been the case, and will continue to be so. All that CCP have done, is to make it a bit more difficult to match Logserver data against Cache data. The information is still there (in the cache) for people who want to use it.
I'm in two minds about it. On one had, we've seen some pretty interesting and useful tools. However on the other, some people are using it to get a distinct tactical advantage over others.
Personally, I'd level the playing field by also encrypting the cache data, but that's just me.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:21:00 -
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Obscurity has no relation to security. If you do not want any data to be read and used, do not make it available at all, by any means. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:13:00 -
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ao so 1600mm plates are a more effective way of collapsing these holes sweet
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Azuse
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2 ao so 1600mm plates are a more effective way of collapsing these holes sweet
Didn't the initial announcement of mass give that away two months ago?
As i already said though, the effects on ships particular WH is available in the fitting screen in afew seconds, so this really provides no advantage (even if it make life a little easier). The mas on the other hand, idk, the unpredictability of WH space theoretically means it doesn't matter when goes in, you have no clue what will happen on the other side. I suppose it all depends on just how random the space is long term.
Personally i'm in two minds, at least about the mass, although i'm sure people will be debating this for a long time -------------------------
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Omara Otawan Some equipment to collapse a wormhole on purpose, that'd be sweet.
Could make ransoming people in there so much more effective :P
There is that module. It is called 1600 mm plate.
Nice, how do I activate the plate to have it collapse the wormhole?
I was thinking a module that does just that, activate on the wormhole and collapse it, without actually jumping.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:54:00 -
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Fixing this really shouldn't be a hard one, without encryption or other rocket science.
The exact mass limit of a wormhole should never be sent to a client. Instead, send exactly the information that is visible on the client, such as ab integer number between 0 and 4 (or some other small number) that roughly describes the wormhole's stability and is mapped to a descriptive text on the client side.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X This information is not in the official CCP datadump.
Now you go back into the pit. Then we'll consider letting you out when you add dgmTypeAttributes row for all the categoryID=11 entities ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering |
ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:46:00 -
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easy to fix think it comes in next patch
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.22 16:18:00 -
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At least this explains why people are throwing around precise mass numbers in recounting their wormhole adventures. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
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